Spouse with cognitive problems and finances

Posted by Julie Chitwood @billchitwood, Feb 25, 2022

Bill uses a computer everyday, and has nothing but problems with it. He blames his Dell and I'm pretty sure it is the user lol. He has decided to buy another one (second in a year) and going to very suspect sites. If he does get a new one it won't 'work' for him either! Once again he asked me for our address.

He still has enough memory to think he knows what he is doing. I've had to get us out of quite a few scams that he has fallen for (keeps buying hearing aids while having an excellent pair). I don't know how to protect our finances from him - at least not without major battles. So far in the past year he has bought two computers. One I could give our math teacher daughter for her school (non returnable). The other is his Dell. He also has a working Lenovo, which he says is bad - besides having a crack from his throwing it, it does work ok.

He wants to buy every ad he sees on TV - especially supplements that his doctor says are bad for him. I hid the credit card but some sites we use are auto pay and in spite of everything he remembers how to access those.

Any suggestions?

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@janet7

Will always got upset about money and would get angry whenever I sent money to my family. Now he sends money to his family and once In awhile gets angry when I do. I diffuse his ranting before he even finishes his complaint, by telling him I have lived with his anger about my sending money to my family almost the entire time we have been married, and I don’t want to listen to his complaints any more. It worked!
One of the triggers for Dementia patients could be they are sick and resent anyone who isn’t. I remember meeting an older woman in my Dad’s nursing home who was extremely jealous of me and “if looks could kill”, I would be gone. I did feel a little guilty because I understood why she was jealous of me. Her attitude would prevail as long as she stayed there, but her anger had nothing to do with me.
Not being able to eat food he likes can trigger anger.
Not being able to communicate his feelings or wants can be a triggers.
Not being to walk and get around by himself can be trigger.
And there are many more triggers and how to solve them in the article I sent you. I like the article so much that I am going to print a copy for myself.
I also remember visiting my Dad in the nursing home just before Will and I were going to the beach. When I told him about our plans, he got very quiet and started drumming on the table with his fingers. I knew he wanted to come with us, but Will and I didn’t have much alone time because of our visiting Dad. He really wanted all of our time. He wouldn’t tell me why he was upset but I knew. Our relationship was an on again/off again one I can tell you about when you want to know.
God’s blessings to you, Julie

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Wow, you put your finger on something I couldn’t quite describe. Thank you!!! My husb has PD dementia, goes in and out of making perfect sense to making no sense at all…but there is sometimes an underlying emotional trigger, as you describe. I’d love the article you mentioned. Can you please send it to me as well?
Thx again for your comment— I feel less alone.

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@billchitwood

They are trying some meds. He sings - hours at a time, which soothes him and is like water torture for everyone else. He used to have a very good voice but not now. And most of what he 'sings' are just sounds. Cats go hide lol.

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I was googling some of Bill's symptoms and so many of them go along with Lewy's dementia. The acting out his dreams (at times I have had to use a separate bedroom as they got so violent); hearing music and voices that aren't there. Hearting doctor said it was musical tinnitus but I'm not so sure.
At the moment they have just started testing him - also to set up appointments for CKD (kidney) and Urinary problem.
Day to day trying to figure out what to expect - other than the unexpected lol.

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@ccleibert

Wow, you put your finger on something I couldn’t quite describe. Thank you!!! My husb has PD dementia, goes in and out of making perfect sense to making no sense at all…but there is sometimes an underlying emotional trigger, as you describe. I’d love the article you mentioned. Can you please send it to me as well?
Thx again for your comment— I feel less alone.

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Here is the web site the article is on. I hope you get something good out of it!
https://www.verywellhealth.com/anger-and-aggression-in-dementia-4134488

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@billchitwood

They are trying some meds. He sings - hours at a time, which soothes him and is like water torture for everyone else. He used to have a very good voice but not now. And most of what he 'sings' are just sounds. Cats go hide lol.

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We caregivers and doctors search medications and therapies because what works for one doesn’t always work for another. I didn’t realize how much information there is for us to find and suggest. We all do our part to try everything we can to help our loved ones, including the doctors, because Dementia is so complicated, therefore various therapies and medications are tried. I’m almost ready to ask Will if he would go into a research program for Dementia and maybe find out what works for Will. Has anyone else thought about a research program? But first, I want to be sure he has taken every test out there for an accurate diagnosis and go from there.
With his shortness of breath, we have a PFT and oxygen assessment tests set up for July 18th.
His doctor said medications for Alzheimer’s does help with Dementia. I have to find out how we can get those medications for Alzheimer’s if he hasn’t had that diagnosis.

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Every other day Bill announces he is going to get his own apartment and I can come with him if I want. He also is going to buy a new car now that our old car is sold. He completely 'forgets' that the doctors said he can't drive - that AZ DVM has cancelled his driver's license. He also thinks his health is going to improve and he has another 15 - 25 good years left (he is 89 and in poor condition).

I just ignore his statements as far as I'm able. Of course he gets mad and 'punishes' me with the silent treatment (I go read a book lol).

Without Robin and my help he couldn't even get to see an apartment. He can't use any kitchen equipment - a phone is now beyond him. But he still clings to his computer.

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@billchitwood

Every other day Bill announces he is going to get his own apartment and I can come with him if I want. He also is going to buy a new car now that our old car is sold. He completely 'forgets' that the doctors said he can't drive - that AZ DVM has cancelled his driver's license. He also thinks his health is going to improve and he has another 15 - 25 good years left (he is 89 and in poor condition).

I just ignore his statements as far as I'm able. Of course he gets mad and 'punishes' me with the silent treatment (I go read a book lol).

Without Robin and my help he couldn't even get to see an apartment. He can't use any kitchen equipment - a phone is now beyond him. But he still clings to his computer.

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I'm thinking of telling him that I will keep looking for an apartment/house. To see if that can settle him down. That I haven't found any apartments we would like and houses way too expensive in this market, etc. And we don't need a car right now as Robin is doing the driving. Basically playing for time.

Any suggestions.

His daughter just commented he sounded so good on a recent phone call - ten minutes at the most! I explained to her about 'showtime'. His kids are in denial to a degree as they don't see it. When they visit he spends very little time with them and that is while watching TV. In the meantime he suggests we go out for lunch (he won't go with) or play our games, go for a walk - anything that keeps his interface to a minimum. He also goes to bed early when they visit. So even over a couple of days he is able to pull off that he is doing well.

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@billchitwood

I'm thinking of telling him that I will keep looking for an apartment/house. To see if that can settle him down. That I haven't found any apartments we would like and houses way too expensive in this market, etc. And we don't need a car right now as Robin is doing the driving. Basically playing for time.

Any suggestions.

His daughter just commented he sounded so good on a recent phone call - ten minutes at the most! I explained to her about 'showtime'. His kids are in denial to a degree as they don't see it. When they visit he spends very little time with them and that is while watching TV. In the meantime he suggests we go out for lunch (he won't go with) or play our games, go for a walk - anything that keeps his interface to a minimum. He also goes to bed early when they visit. So even over a couple of days he is able to pull off that he is doing well.

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Hi Julie, you are handling his wanting an apartment very well and, as you say, with time he might forget all about it.
I wouldn’t be too concerned that your children are in denial about Bill’s condition.
You are his caretaker and you know what is happening to him, and that’s all that matters. Sometimes denial happens when the reality of a situation is too much to accept. Again with time, the curtain will go up, all in their own time. Right now, emotionally, they just aren’t ready to accept Bill is sick.
Have a wonderful weekend!

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@billchitwood

I'm thinking of telling him that I will keep looking for an apartment/house. To see if that can settle him down. That I haven't found any apartments we would like and houses way too expensive in this market, etc. And we don't need a car right now as Robin is doing the driving. Basically playing for time.

Any suggestions.

His daughter just commented he sounded so good on a recent phone call - ten minutes at the most! I explained to her about 'showtime'. His kids are in denial to a degree as they don't see it. When they visit he spends very little time with them and that is while watching TV. In the meantime he suggests we go out for lunch (he won't go with) or play our games, go for a walk - anything that keeps his interface to a minimum. He also goes to bed early when they visit. So even over a couple of days he is able to pull off that he is doing well.

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If kids were their for a longer period of time, they would definitely notice a difference, He probably goes to bed early when they are there because he is aware of it being difficult to act OK, The stress is too much so he redraws.

I remember a time when I was at my cousins and my uncle who was visiting, was fine until we asked about the past. He talked about going to med school and getting his degree (he actually had a doctorate's degree in Chemistry and a lot of patents in the past, My husband overstayed our visit, we were to meet a friend later in the evening near by. He got agitated and asked his wife, "Mommy, where are they going to leave? I want to change to my everday clothes". The strain had become too much so we left. He later died of Alzherimer's.

Maybe on their next visit, you can ask them to watch for cues that it is too much for him and notice how soon after he retires. It would be good for the kids to come into reality and to know that they are needed, you should not feel alone in the family handling this.

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I recall Will’s sister (who lives 1200 miles away) kept asking me what was wrong with him. I finally got fed up with her asking because it did feel to me like she didn’t believe me. So, I found the latest visit summary Will had with one of his doctors that shows all of his health issues and sent a copy to her!
It worked! No more questions, and if I have to do it again, I will!

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I just looked at the postings on anger and aggression, and wish seen them all in the last week! My sister has a lot of anger, now mitigated by meds somewhat, and at times talks about "going somewhere else", meaning to a place not saturated with her dementia problems. I took a course on the types of dementia recently, and found there are over 80 flavors, with 5 general categories (the largest is Alzheimers), and that often neurologists consider "what works on the symptoms" as a way to diagnose specifics.
My other takeaway is to try to respond and validate the emotion... Say yes, of course you want to be away from all this, anyone would. Then sit somewhere with a glass of water (in case they are dehydrated), and ask for some time to work on it. Ideally there is something they like to do that you can suggest while you work on (the new place) for them. Hopefully they forget within half an hour.
You could also ask a few "A or B" questions about the place he'd like, before leaving him there to "go work on it".
Good luck

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