COVID vaccines and neuropathy

Posted by cue @cue, Feb 15, 2021

I am 85 with small fiber neuropathy that is getting worse. My neurologist thought it would be a good idea for me to wait with the covid vaccine and not be first in line to see how it affected other people with neuropathy. Probably because it is a new technology. Has anyone had a problem with neuropathy after receiving the vaccine? If so, which vaccine?

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@kle

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. They have been extremely helpful to me as I continued to battle my pain and other symptoms. After the second Pfizer covid vaccine, I too developed a debilitating pain starting two weeks after. The pain began in my feet and over the course of several weeks traveled up to my legs, buttuck and upper body, affecting mainly my muscle and tendon. Thinking that a massage would help, I did foam rolling on my extremity and areas with pain and the next day the pain was so severe causing inability to walk or sit for several days as foot, leg and buttuck pain were unbearable. It's been over two and a half years now and my condition hasn't gone away. I feel more fatique, anxious, and am very sensitive to pain, loud noise, and light. The sore in my feet and hands are now accompanied by tingling and numbness that is worse at night and morning and reduces with movement. My upperback and neck are also in trouble now due to pain. Light exercise and stress have made me feel fatique. I cannot engage in a long conversion because it causes breathlessness and fatique. I also have stomach issue and frequent urination at night and when pain is severe. I've consulted with many specialists in town and done many tests (EMG, rheumatoid factor tests, autoimmune disease tests, various vitamin, metal, infectious diseases, allergy, etc) which did not detect anything abnormal. This condition has drastically changed my life at home and work as I cannot sustain long walk, standing and sitting. I've tried several drugs (GPB, cymbalta, Ibuprofen, tylenol, low dose naltrexone, CBD) and supplements but they seem to cause stomach upset. I've also tried acupuncture several times and it didn't seem to help. I've been managing the pain (poorly) with lidocaine cream, herbal ointment, and warm or cold compress and rest and follow the recommendations of my doctors. My recent visit with a neurologist specializing in peripheral neuropathy revealed that I may have SFN. I was wondering if anyone will be willing to share the experience of skin biopsy in terms of pain and duration of wound healing required for SFN biopsy. Also, is skin biopsy necessary to make this diagnosis? How do one deal with pain on a daily basis at work and daily life as I don't see that this condition will go away anytime soon and I am highly concerns that it will progress to the point of inability to do anything. Thanks so much.

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Hello @kle, I would like to add my welcome to Connect along with @hello2 and others. I was diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy without have a skin punch biopsy although it is the gold standard for diagnosing neuropathy. I posted my neuropathy story in another discussion here - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/310341/.

You are not alone in your concerns about the progression of neuropathy and it's good to be searching for answers. Here are some discussions you might want to read to find out what others have shared:
--- Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Small Fiber Neuropathy: What helps?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-and-small-fiber-neuropathy/
--- What helps the symptoms of Small Fiber Neuropathy?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/tingling-from-small-fiber-neurapathy/
--- Neuropathy Pain at Night: What helps?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/night-pain-2/.

Did you report your adverse side effects to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)? - https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

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@johnbishop

Hello @kle, I would like to add my welcome to Connect along with @hello2 and others. I was diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy without have a skin punch biopsy although it is the gold standard for diagnosing neuropathy. I posted my neuropathy story in another discussion here - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/310341/.

You are not alone in your concerns about the progression of neuropathy and it's good to be searching for answers. Here are some discussions you might want to read to find out what others have shared:
--- Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Small Fiber Neuropathy: What helps?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-and-small-fiber-neuropathy/
--- What helps the symptoms of Small Fiber Neuropathy?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/tingling-from-small-fiber-neurapathy/
--- Neuropathy Pain at Night: What helps?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/night-pain-2/.

Did you report your adverse side effects to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)? - https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

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Dear John, I thank you very much for your warm welcome and for sharing your journey with neuropathy and important resources to help me. I will read and learn from them. I am a little hesitating about skin biopsy because I fear more pain from the wounds and I cannot take many pain medication during healing due to my current stomach issue. Regarding side effects, I did report my symptom to VAERS in 2021. I hope my voice was heard. Thanks again!

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@kle

Dear John, I thank you very much for your warm welcome and for sharing your journey with neuropathy and important resources to help me. I will read and learn from them. I am a little hesitating about skin biopsy because I fear more pain from the wounds and I cannot take many pain medication during healing due to my current stomach issue. Regarding side effects, I did report my symptom to VAERS in 2021. I hope my voice was heard. Thanks again!

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Another site you might want to bookmark is the Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy. Here is some information on Living Well with neuropathy - https://www.foundationforpn.org/living-well/.

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So far I have no side effects from Cymbalta. Thank goodness.

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I received the two Covid and two Boosters. I didn’t notice that they made the neuropathy worse, it already had a pretty firm hold. I am doing Sanexas here in Florida. At a chiropractic office. I am actually feeling parts of my legs that I haven’t felt for a long time. About 6-7 treatments so far. Medicare covers 24 treatments. I am excited and hopeful for the rest of my treatments.

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@kle

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. They have been extremely helpful to me as I continued to battle my pain and other symptoms. After the second Pfizer covid vaccine, I too developed a debilitating pain starting two weeks after. The pain began in my feet and over the course of several weeks traveled up to my legs, buttuck and upper body, affecting mainly my muscle and tendon. Thinking that a massage would help, I did foam rolling on my extremity and areas with pain and the next day the pain was so severe causing inability to walk or sit for several days as foot, leg and buttuck pain were unbearable. It's been over two and a half years now and my condition hasn't gone away. I feel more fatique, anxious, and am very sensitive to pain, loud noise, and light. The sore in my feet and hands are now accompanied by tingling and numbness that is worse at night and morning and reduces with movement. My upperback and neck are also in trouble now due to pain. Light exercise and stress have made me feel fatique. I cannot engage in a long conversion because it causes breathlessness and fatique. I also have stomach issue and frequent urination at night and when pain is severe. I've consulted with many specialists in town and done many tests (EMG, rheumatoid factor tests, autoimmune disease tests, various vitamin, metal, infectious diseases, allergy, etc) which did not detect anything abnormal. This condition has drastically changed my life at home and work as I cannot sustain long walk, standing and sitting. I've tried several drugs (GPB, cymbalta, Ibuprofen, tylenol, low dose naltrexone, CBD) and supplements but they seem to cause stomach upset. I've also tried acupuncture several times and it didn't seem to help. I've been managing the pain (poorly) with lidocaine cream, herbal ointment, and warm or cold compress and rest and follow the recommendations of my doctors. My recent visit with a neurologist specializing in peripheral neuropathy revealed that I may have SFN. I was wondering if anyone will be willing to share the experience of skin biopsy in terms of pain and duration of wound healing required for SFN biopsy. Also, is skin biopsy necessary to make this diagnosis? How do one deal with pain on a daily basis at work and daily life as I don't see that this condition will go away anytime soon and I am highly concerns that it will progress to the point of inability to do anything. Thanks so much.

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Your symptoms sound very similar to mine and I was pretty devastated last year when this came on. It happened about 2-4 weeks after getting Covid and I had the Pfizer shot twice the January before (2021). Im not sure if related to Covid but timing appears impeccable, started out the sole of my right foot felt as though I walked barefoot on a hot road, burning and when cold(winter time) felt colder than L foot. It was almost ascending in nature going up between my things, not too much on the lower legs. The inner thighs was like a strip from knee to groin and was intensified if sat down. It effected my R buttock and my groin area. I had to avoid laying on my R side for months. It has subsided though but appears permanent. I had a SFN biopsy and it was negative, which they arent 100% accurate either. It says that right on the results. They should stop and give more lidocaine if you feel it too much. Its sounds tough but its tolerable. I am currently being checked for MS but earlier testing reveals that to be negative. Did you get Covid? I hope this helps and know that it may get better.

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@kle

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. They have been extremely helpful to me as I continued to battle my pain and other symptoms. After the second Pfizer covid vaccine, I too developed a debilitating pain starting two weeks after. The pain began in my feet and over the course of several weeks traveled up to my legs, buttuck and upper body, affecting mainly my muscle and tendon. Thinking that a massage would help, I did foam rolling on my extremity and areas with pain and the next day the pain was so severe causing inability to walk or sit for several days as foot, leg and buttuck pain were unbearable. It's been over two and a half years now and my condition hasn't gone away. I feel more fatique, anxious, and am very sensitive to pain, loud noise, and light. The sore in my feet and hands are now accompanied by tingling and numbness that is worse at night and morning and reduces with movement. My upperback and neck are also in trouble now due to pain. Light exercise and stress have made me feel fatique. I cannot engage in a long conversion because it causes breathlessness and fatique. I also have stomach issue and frequent urination at night and when pain is severe. I've consulted with many specialists in town and done many tests (EMG, rheumatoid factor tests, autoimmune disease tests, various vitamin, metal, infectious diseases, allergy, etc) which did not detect anything abnormal. This condition has drastically changed my life at home and work as I cannot sustain long walk, standing and sitting. I've tried several drugs (GPB, cymbalta, Ibuprofen, tylenol, low dose naltrexone, CBD) and supplements but they seem to cause stomach upset. I've also tried acupuncture several times and it didn't seem to help. I've been managing the pain (poorly) with lidocaine cream, herbal ointment, and warm or cold compress and rest and follow the recommendations of my doctors. My recent visit with a neurologist specializing in peripheral neuropathy revealed that I may have SFN. I was wondering if anyone will be willing to share the experience of skin biopsy in terms of pain and duration of wound healing required for SFN biopsy. Also, is skin biopsy necessary to make this diagnosis? How do one deal with pain on a daily basis at work and daily life as I don't see that this condition will go away anytime soon and I am highly concerns that it will progress to the point of inability to do anything. Thanks so much.

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Good evening @kle and welcome to Connect. Your description of your medical issues is quite extensive. Tonight I would like to respond to your question about the SFN skin biopsy. Once you have the results from this test, you will be able to work with your neuropathy specialist to begin treatment.

The skin biopsy takes about 3 minutes. It is done on an ankle and you can barely feel it. The sample is then sent to a specialty clinic for diagnosis. Mine was sent to Texas. The results were definitive and helped my Neurologist plan my treatment program. Knowledge is always power and you will know where you stand. With the positive results, we were able to zero in on the cause and that is "trauma". Too many accidents....falling off horses and being jumped on from a raft. I was rear-ended several times on the freeway and am paying dearly for the damage that was done. And...too many surgeries. At this point at least 14 orthopedic surgical episodes starting at age 13. I am now 81 and know what it feels like to have developed a long history. No wonder my nerves are insufficient. Remember that nerve regeneration takes a long time.

Good luck to you and don't worry about the test itself. It will be over quickly. As far as healing, I think I wore a band aid for a couple. of days.

May you be safe and protected from inner and outer harm.
Chris

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@ralphysmom

Your symptoms sound very similar to mine and I was pretty devastated last year when this came on. It happened about 2-4 weeks after getting Covid and I had the Pfizer shot twice the January before (2021). Im not sure if related to Covid but timing appears impeccable, started out the sole of my right foot felt as though I walked barefoot on a hot road, burning and when cold(winter time) felt colder than L foot. It was almost ascending in nature going up between my things, not too much on the lower legs. The inner thighs was like a strip from knee to groin and was intensified if sat down. It effected my R buttock and my groin area. I had to avoid laying on my R side for months. It has subsided though but appears permanent. I had a SFN biopsy and it was negative, which they arent 100% accurate either. It says that right on the results. They should stop and give more lidocaine if you feel it too much. Its sounds tough but its tolerable. I am currently being checked for MS but earlier testing reveals that to be negative. Did you get Covid? I hope this helps and know that it may get better.

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Thank you for sharing your experience ralphysmom, It is a terrible disease and I hope it gets better and better for us each day. When the symptom first started, I voiced my opinion to several doctors that this was likely due to Covid vaccine, but since it's earlier in the pandemic, they didn't think it was related. Some even encouraged me to get a booster. Now it appeared that there are more and more reports of covid vaccine associated SFN, although there is no real study to establish cause and effect yet. I hope someone will study and shed more light on this soon. I got sick several times during winter of 2019 with cold and gastrointestinal symptom (vomiting and diarrhea) but then there were no diagnostic test for covid, so I' was not sure if I had covid. I had several tests for covid antibody in late 2021 but there were all negative until mid 2022 when I tested covid positive by PCR but I had no symptom and antibody test about three weeks after were negative, so I was not sure if the PCR test was real.

Regarding your skin biopsy finding, I wonder if additional biopsy in other areas of your body would turn up positive. It also could be that you are healing well now so the skin biopsy test is all negative.... Do you have symptoms as well in the upper body areas? Are doctors still helping you manage the pain or do you find lidocaine is sufficient to control pain in general? What else could be done now to reach a final diagnosis of your condition? Lidocaine cream does help me but the effect is not long. Right now, whatever I eat causes stomach gas and bloating so I avoid medication and supplement for now. I'm working with a nutritionist to try to fix this issue too. I hope this gets better too. Thanks again for sharing your experience.

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@artscaping

Good evening @kle and welcome to Connect. Your description of your medical issues is quite extensive. Tonight I would like to respond to your question about the SFN skin biopsy. Once you have the results from this test, you will be able to work with your neuropathy specialist to begin treatment.

The skin biopsy takes about 3 minutes. It is done on an ankle and you can barely feel it. The sample is then sent to a specialty clinic for diagnosis. Mine was sent to Texas. The results were definitive and helped my Neurologist plan my treatment program. Knowledge is always power and you will know where you stand. With the positive results, we were able to zero in on the cause and that is "trauma". Too many accidents....falling off horses and being jumped on from a raft. I was rear-ended several times on the freeway and am paying dearly for the damage that was done. And...too many surgeries. At this point at least 14 orthopedic surgical episodes starting at age 13. I am now 81 and know what it feels like to have developed a long history. No wonder my nerves are insufficient. Remember that nerve regeneration takes a long time.

Good luck to you and don't worry about the test itself. It will be over quickly. As far as healing, I think I wore a band aid for a couple. of days.

May you be safe and protected from inner and outer harm.
Chris

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Thank you so much Chris for sharing your experience with me. I feel more reassured now that I will be ok going through skin biopsy. Like you said, not being able to zero in on the cause is a trauma for me. I really hope the neurologist can find something and can tell me exactly what I have. The disease has caused me inability to work and do my daily routine without feeling exhaustion, fatigue and pain. I'm afraid my pain will not force me to discontinue my job permanently.

You surely went through a lot. Your great endurance and resilience are an encouragement to me. It makes me feel that I can fight through this despite all the pain. I hope I have more years ahead of me that I can live good and healthy life. I am 47 now but I feel like my body is collapsing. Thanks for your well wishes. I wish you the same.

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@carole2343

I received the two Covid and two Boosters. I didn’t notice that they made the neuropathy worse, it already had a pretty firm hold. I am doing Sanexas here in Florida. At a chiropractic office. I am actually feeling parts of my legs that I haven’t felt for a long time. About 6-7 treatments so far. Medicare covers 24 treatments. I am excited and hopeful for the rest of my treatments.

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Thank you carole2343 for sharing your experience. I'm glad to hear that your condition is improving and Sanexas has helped you. I'm going to ask my doctor about this during my visit to see if this is something I can try. Thanks again.

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