It's hard to find patience sometimes. Thanks for listening

Posted by wctdoc1943 @wctdoc1943, Apr 22 11:27am

My wife is somewhere on the (advanced???) MCI spectrum (not advanced dementia) and spends a lot of time scrolling through her phone and iPad emails, texts and phone calls. Today she was trying to delete a long list of "recent" (and not so recent) phone calls on her iPad, which can be done either in bulk (she is clueless how to do this) or by swiping individual ones. In trying to swipe she was "tapping" the call and it initiate a "call back" each time. So she came to me and I tried to explain how to swipe without initiating a call, and/or offered to bulk delete them for her. She then got agitated that I might delete something she wanted to keep (why, why, why???). It frustrates me to no end and I end up making her more agitated, and then I'm mad at myself for having no patience. It is so difficult to realize that she is not capable of understanding what I'm showing her, yet she still wants to do it herself. So we both end up upset. I understand this is all on me because she can't help herself, but damn it's hard. Thanks for listening.

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@kjc48 Hi Karla, Thanks for all your input about hacking and infusions!! I'm planning on getting my husband to Stanford Neuropsychology Clinic as soon as his slow go primary puts in a referral! My husband also has a sleep disorder and takes meds for anxiety - I'm sure if the clinic recommends infusions they will take into account his normal issues as well as his MCI. My husband has finally agreed to stop driving after we discussed more the "safety" for himself and others (not so much the mental part which he gets so upset about) just his poor vision, very poor hearing and slow reflexes are enough to deem him unsafe to drive. I realize I HAVE to be a part of almost everything he does now and trying to accept this "sentence" as more of a "learning project". I just found a great counselor under my insurance who has worked with families with dementia for 10 years of her 42 year experience and I am so thankful to God for her!! I also found a local support group that meets once a month which is very enlightening and I will continue to go to that. I am living in two parallel worlds; one being his mental and physical decline and the other being my own pursuit of good health and multiple fulfilling activities. It's a balancing act I'm learning all about with God's Grace. I find myself crying easily a few times a day but just let that happen as a stress release acknowledgement and move on with all that needs to be done to maintain our everyday existence. Asking for prayers as I am praying for you and all the others in this group. 💕🙏 Lori

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@oneputt Lori, thank you for your special message to me. I post a lot on here, as I find it not only tries to help others, but it's journaling for me, and it helps me get through this every day. I haven't cried, which is surprising; I think I've been so caught up in everything in our life going on that I haven't had time, and having come from IBM (before retirement) I was always so busy solutioning, that what I see caregiving as (at least at this stage). I love your great counselor idea and insurance covered. talking to people who understand is so valuable. I attended a 6 week caregivers class at the local hospital, I'm getting ready to go to their 2 hour workshop next Tuesday. I agree with you, that's important. I've mentioned this before on this site, but we heard a sermon at Christmas that just resonated with me, and I can't get it out of my mind, It was like the pastor on the video broadcasting to his 6 different churches, was talking directly to me. Even with short term memory loss, my husband said the same thing when we left - we felt he was talking to us. We had such a bad year last year, MOLD, moving out, rentals, moving out of those more mold, no insurance coverage, living out of storage, and my husband's diagnosis the day we moved out. Not to mention, the financial pressure from all the out-of-pocket cost, and we're up there in years. So it's been difficult. But my takeaway is we all have challenges to deal with, it's the courage to show up, the clarity to know what to do, (as you defined it so well in your note to me), and God's light and strength to get us through. I wake up every day and say that....I find there's this peaceful calm, that comes over me, in repeating it over and over. Keep me posted how you do, I so appreciate your post. We are not in this alone........Best, Karla

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@2me What you can do on his PC, is on all the junk (like I did on my PC) go in and scroll down to the bottom of the junk email, and opt-out of what's being sent. There should be an unsubscribe that you can click on, and you will get another screen, where you click on unsubscribe all. That helped me in cleaning out a lot of what I was getting, but I still have to do it, sometimes, as even when you opt out, they keep sending junk. Just keep doing it.
Also, on getting hacked, and I'm sure you've thought about this. Make sure you go into all three credit bureaus. and put a fraud alert and freeze on all three, Experian, transunion, and equifax. You can do it online, it's not difficult. This will prevent anyone trying to open up an account. Which means, if you are purchasing something and opening up a credit card, or trying to get a loan for something, YOU will have to go back in and unfreeze your credit, so they can open it up. Then you go back in and freeze it again. After getting hacked into, I just leave all three credit bureaus, on fraud alert, and on freeze credit. It just gives me some peace of mind, especially after what we went through where someone or group of people got access to my husband's computer,. It tooks us 6 months to clear all of this up. I worry with him up there clicking on things day in and day out. Know that I'm no tech expert either. I also established a process with my husband, where in the morning, I go up to his computer, and help him clear some of his junk. I tell him that I'm looking for any notices from the doctor, and/or appointments that have to be confirmed that go directly to him, and bills that someone is requesting he pay (since I'm trying to do that together) so I know what he's doing. This way, I can at least see what he's getting ......It's a daily up and down, trying to stay a head of them, but at least he's still somewhat independent, although forgetful, and anxious when he can't do things. Best, hope this helps. Karla

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@kjc48 Karla,
Thank you so very much for this timely and helpful information! I do grab the iPad and Delete and Report Spam, but I know “they” just have other accounts they send things from…it’s like the little boy putting his finger in the dike (dyke?). My son mentioned we should freeze our credit, and you are kindly reminding me again. It goes to the top of my “to do” list, as I realize how important it could be. Your suggestions are all excellent and I will be implementing them as soon as I can. Definitely helpful and caring. Thank you for taking the time to write! ~ Betsy

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@2me
Hello: Good point, how indeed to tell if the meds are working, since they won't make them better.
We tried 2 different meds for my husband and the way I could tell they weren't working for him, is that he suddenly got much worse, with both meds. The meds aren't supposed to make them better, just to hold them steady.
Hopefully the meds work for others.

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@judimahoney
I hope they work for most people taking them! I don’t know if the oral ones have helped my husband or not. One was started at 8 mg, then changed to 16 (Galantamine). The higher dose gave him nightmares, so back to the 8. He is scheduled, as I mentioned for the PET scan and possibly after that will begin infusions…so we will see. He wants to try anything that could help, and while I’m a little skeptical, if he wants to try (and I know others here feel they can help) then that’s what we’ll do if the doctors give the green light. Best to you.

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@2me I just completely read your note.......I speed read, and then I have to go back over it again. Yikes, I need another cup of coffee. I was told by someone in the neurologist office, that it wasn't until the 16th or so infusion, that she noticed a change in her husband. He was able to fill out a form completely which he couldn't do before. I think the infusions and their success is dependent upon the person taking them, where he or she is in the early on MCI stage, etc. I do see he's not as forgetful on things, his backpack, keys, etc. But his short-term memory is still a problem even with the infusions, but that's because those infusions slow down the progress of "new" amyloid plaques, nor reverse what he had going into it. I don't know the outcome, but I do know that my husband wanted to do the infusions. So, he went into it positive, and so did I. I worry about the brain bleeding and swelling, so I've refused to air travel, worried about any swelling/bleeding (up in the air). May sound silly, but I want to be safe than sorry. Until we can work through the 18 infusions, we will then evaluate and see the outcome. Thank you for sharing, and thank you for supporting me and answering. We get so much from this when others are willing to write about what's happening with them.......Best, Karla

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@kjc48 Karla- Hi. You and I are alike in that I also read too quickly and then have to go back for retention. Thank you for letting us know how the infusions are going for your husband, and I agree about flying with the concerns of brain bleed or swelling! When it comes to filling out forms in doctor’s offices etc, my husband has started handing me the paper, saying “you have better handwriting”. That is true, but I also feel it must be overwhelming for him, as is fixing himself dinner…he, who used to cook most of our dinners no longer grills, and a few weeks ago, I had had a big lunch, and wasn’t hungry. There was salad made and cooked chicken in the fridge, so I mentioned that…I went out in the kitchen a few minutes later and he was eating a protein bar. Then I felt bad for not realizing that even prepared food was too much to gather (at least that night). Thank you for writing to me. I so value this group. I do see a counselor, but you are all here when I need to vent! She is on a fixed schedule! Thank you all, and thanks to Mayo Clinic for providing this space and encouraging us all.

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@wctdoc1943 Thank you for your post. It resonates with me as well. Patience is very thin at our house. Add in a dose of anger, frustration and loneliness and that describes my issues. My spouse is still labeled mild AD, but I do see some negative changes in behavior lately. He is losing his ability to use his phone for texts or calls, and he never checks his emails. We had a "dust up" the other night about the temperature of the hot water from his shower. That scared me enough to think he didn't know how to regulate the temperature any longer. I have called a plumber to lower the temperature, and am suggesting my husband move his showers to the morning. Although he didn't remember the exact issue of the argument we had, it bothered him that we went to bed angry, and he apologized today. He was always the sweetest guy and this reminds me he still is that person. It can be heartbreaking to witness these changes. I vow that I will walk away the next time he shows behavior close to anger. Arguing or challenging a dementia patient is not a good idea. I know it is up to me as a care partner to change the dynamic. This is so hard and we are only human. I am much better at this when I take time for myself. My spouse does better when he spends time with other people, and exercises daily. We try to eat a very clean diet and avoid alcohol too.

@kjc48 Currently my spouse is on a maintenance dose of Lecanemab as his CT scan showed a huge decline in his amyloid plaques. I do believe based on the results that the drug keeps progression down. We do not have any data re Tau levels currently though.

Take care of yourself and thanks for listening to me...

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@moea Everything you said resonates with a lot of us, I think…I know it did with me! we are on the path toward infusions, depending on MRI and PET scan results. Re: Shower temp. My husband seems to think his food is not hot enough (calls it “room temperature” some nights) - yet the times in question are when I got a baked potato right out of the oven, cut it in half and gave half to each of us. I almost burned my tongue, as it had been in the oven 1.5 hours! Is it possible people lose their ability to sense when things are too hot, be it a shower or food? Similarly, he now says the Planters mixed nuts he’s eaten for years have no salt…so I do believe his taste buds are changing (the nuts seem the same to me). IDK. Take good care.

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@kjc48 Karla- Hi. You and I are alike in that I also read too quickly and then have to go back for retention. Thank you for letting us know how the infusions are going for your husband, and I agree about flying with the concerns of brain bleed or swelling! When it comes to filling out forms in doctor’s offices etc, my husband has started handing me the paper, saying “you have better handwriting”. That is true, but I also feel it must be overwhelming for him, as is fixing himself dinner…he, who used to cook most of our dinners no longer grills, and a few weeks ago, I had had a big lunch, and wasn’t hungry. There was salad made and cooked chicken in the fridge, so I mentioned that…I went out in the kitchen a few minutes later and he was eating a protein bar. Then I felt bad for not realizing that even prepared food was too much to gather (at least that night). Thank you for writing to me. I so value this group. I do see a counselor, but you are all here when I need to vent! She is on a fixed schedule! Thank you all, and thanks to Mayo Clinic for providing this space and encouraging us all.

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@2me I know the meal thing is real time consuming. I was okay with it for a while, then I get in a rut. My husband doesn't cook at all, never cooked. I remember the one time I asked him to reheat cornish hens, and he put the oven on self-clean, and I couldn't open the door! Dust to ash, cornish hens. What I am finding, is that when I do cook, he eats EVERYTHING on his plate. And I want to make sure that he's getting enough protein, good food, whatever that is for the brain so I"m trying to cook something every night even if it's just for him. He cleans his plate. It's funny to see; nothing wrong with his appetite. The whole Mediterranean thing, although my husband still likes fish and chips, fried, etc. so I'm retweaking things. Hearty beef stew, chicken pot pie defattened, tonight I have filet I'm going to give him with shrimp, But I don't do alot of beef. I have IBS, and all kinds of GI, especially from the stress of all of this. So beef isn't my friend. I'm trying to freeze a few things, and the grocery store here has some great prepared meat balls, etc., and chicken cutlets prepared, I freeze, and then do marina and melted cheese on top for chicken parmesan. It's not the way I used to cook, but I'm trying to "lighten the load," I have the grill, but I'm not out there much. Beer can chicken on that grill is good, and my husband likes the crisp crust.....Then you can do chicken pot pie the next day with leftovers, but don't make the crust. Just take puff pastry, cut it into thirds, bake it till it raises crisp at 400" degrees, and serve it with the creamy pot pie filling with chicken and vegetables. That's hearty for your husband. If any leftover, freeze the filling, then you can take it out, and add broth, and it makes a good soup. You can tell I like to cook! Just trying to find ways to relieve this 36-hour day......Great hearing from you this morning. Keep up the good work! Best, Karla
Best, Karla

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@kjc48 Karla,
Thank you so very much for this timely and helpful information! I do grab the iPad and Delete and Report Spam, but I know “they” just have other accounts they send things from…it’s like the little boy putting his finger in the dike (dyke?). My son mentioned we should freeze our credit, and you are kindly reminding me again. It goes to the top of my “to do” list, as I realize how important it could be. Your suggestions are all excellent and I will be implementing them as soon as I can. Definitely helpful and caring. Thank you for taking the time to write! ~ Betsy

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@2me Betsy, definitely make that freezing your accounts a priority. You'll have to go in separately, freeze yours with a log in into experian, equifax, and transunion, and then create a log in for him in the same three places.
I'm told if you fraud alert on one, they transfer to the other two, BUT on the freezes you have to do them separately. It's just easier for you when you're in the account (your sign on and his), you do the fraud alert, and at the same time do the freeze for a year. Then you'll freeze again, after the year is over.
With what's going on and the uncertainly of that "little boy putting his finger in the wrong places," fraud alert and freeze, even if you do one account a day. Sorry to sound like a "caregiver's nudge. But yikes we were hacked into. What a nightmare. and I still keep getting messages that my phone number is on the dark web, etc. It's scary stuff. My husband watches all these videos and that frightens me too, as some of those websites aren't secure. Oh well.......
Best, Karla

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@kjc48 Karla,
Thank you so very much for this timely and helpful information! I do grab the iPad and Delete and Report Spam, but I know “they” just have other accounts they send things from…it’s like the little boy putting his finger in the dike (dyke?). My son mentioned we should freeze our credit, and you are kindly reminding me again. It goes to the top of my “to do” list, as I realize how important it could be. Your suggestions are all excellent and I will be implementing them as soon as I can. Definitely helpful and caring. Thank you for taking the time to write! ~ Betsy

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@2me PS, Betsy, maybe you can get your son to help set up those credit union accounts for both of you and he can go in and do the freeze and fraud alert. Leave the technology to the adult children, it's one thing off your plate! '
Best, Karla

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