Has anyone improved bone density without meds?

Posted by naomid @naomid, Mar 21, 2023

I have a very problematic dental history and will continue to need additional root canals and implants. I also have Sjogren's Syndrome and want to avoid any drugs that cause rheumatic symptoms. Other issues in my health history make all of the meds risky for me. That said, I work out almost daily, lift weights, maintain a healthy diet, take all the recommended supplements, and get most of my calcium nutritionally. My endocrinologist wants me to take an infusion/injectable drug. I dread the side-effects, yet I'm afraid of fracturing, which hasn't happened over the many years I have had osteoporosis. That said, my numbers are getting worse (-3.2 spine, -3.1 hip). I need to do something more than I've been doing, and am at a loss. I need hope and solutions I can be at peace with. Thanks for any comments or suggestions!

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Profile picture for lindamaegirl @lindamaegirl

I had the exact same situation and my primary, the endocronogist and others tried to scare me into meds. I would not budge. I work out with a trainer 3x a week, I walk and I take algaecal plus NO STRONTIUM. I have another Dexa WITH TBS on June 2. I also had a REMS scan. Do you know about that?

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@lindamaegirl I also take algaecal plus. Why no Strontium though?

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Profile picture for shellinaya @shellinaya

@lindamaegirl I also take algaecal plus. Why no Strontium though?

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@shellinaya Just wanted to point out that the regular AlgaeCal, and New Chapter Bone Strength calcium tablets which are also sourced from algae, contain trace amounts of strontium because it's found in seafood, and other foods we eat. AlgaeCal has another calcium supplement with added amounts of strontium.

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Oh OK, I am taking Algaecal Plus, but I don't see any strontium in it. There is boron though, so that must be natural occurring. I have a strontium supplement but I no longer take it because I feel like I just take too many pills overall. Is there a problem with taking strontium? I think I read it can give a false scan result but don't quote me on that.

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Profile picture for lindamaegirl @lindamaegirl

I had the exact same situation and my primary, the endocronogist and others tried to scare me into meds. I would not budge. I work out with a trainer 3x a week, I walk and I take algaecal plus NO STRONTIUM. I have another Dexa WITH TBS on June 2. I also had a REMS scan. Do you know about that?

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@lindamaegirl
Same here! And yes, I had a REMs a few months ago. My doctor recommended and I’m glad I did. It’s far more informative than a Dexascan.

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Profile picture for kfhoz @kfhoz

@shmbrd Lots of research shows that doing an anabolic (building) drug like teriparatide (brand name Forteo) before an anti-resorptive like Reclast (zoledronic acid) gives better outcome.

If you can find any way to afford the Forteo first that is the best initial step that I could find in my reading etc. Following that after 2 years with Romosozumab aka Romo aka brand name Evenity is even better, and I have posted elsewhere on this forum with a link to research on that.

Here is a wonderful, albeit technical, presentation from an Osteoporosis leading researcher/doctor:


You can see the graphs & figures larger at this link. The link is also in the "more" info under the video, but I didn't see it until someone else on this forum pointed it out to me.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/87lfjyrr4vd8qhq29a8k3/LEWIECKI-OK-TO-POST.pptx

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@kfhoz , Thank you for answering. I agree with what you say....now it's a matter of acting on it! It's so easy to do nothing.....I appreciate finding support in this forum.

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Profile picture for shellinaya @shellinaya

Oh OK, I am taking Algaecal Plus, but I don't see any strontium in it. There is boron though, so that must be natural occurring. I have a strontium supplement but I no longer take it because I feel like I just take too many pills overall. Is there a problem with taking strontium? I think I read it can give a false scan result but don't quote me on that.

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@shellinaya I called the company that makes AlgaeCal and asked about it's strontium content because I take a different algae sourced calcium pill (New Chapter) and it's ingredients list shows trace amounts of strontium. Strontium is in all sea food so I knew AlgaeCal must have some too. The company verified their pills do contain trace amounts but since the amount can vary depending on the batch of algae used, they don't list it on their label. Strontium is a natural element in the earth and is in lots of foods we eat, at trace amounts.

The problem with taking large amounts of strontium is that it's heavier than calcium so it can falsely make BMD look better on DEXA. See this article. https://www.womenshealthnetwork.com/bone-health/the-problem-with-high-dose-strontium/

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Profile picture for daisy17 @daisy17

@shellinaya I called the company that makes AlgaeCal and asked about it's strontium content because I take a different algae sourced calcium pill (New Chapter) and it's ingredients list shows trace amounts of strontium. Strontium is in all sea food so I knew AlgaeCal must have some too. The company verified their pills do contain trace amounts but since the amount can vary depending on the batch of algae used, they don't list it on their label. Strontium is a natural element in the earth and is in lots of foods we eat, at trace amounts.

The problem with taking large amounts of strontium is that it's heavier than calcium so it can falsely make BMD look better on DEXA. See this article. https://www.womenshealthnetwork.com/bone-health/the-problem-with-high-dose-strontium/

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@daisy17 I'm skeptical about that article, simply because they are trying to sell their product. I'm not taking strontium because I think it may burden my kidneys, which are ok, but I've read several times that it makes the kidneys work harder to filter or process it. Same with whey protein powder, makes the kidneys work harder.

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Profile picture for gargoy @gargoy

@daisy17 I'm skeptical about that article, simply because they are trying to sell their product. I'm not taking strontium because I think it may burden my kidneys, which are ok, but I've read several times that it makes the kidneys work harder to filter or process it. Same with whey protein powder, makes the kidneys work harder.

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@gargoy has anybody ever heard of goat milk powder they’re saying that’s really good for your bones too. I was just looking at something like that. it’s called Eve farms goat milk powder

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Profile picture for vmcgrantham @vmcgrantham

@gargoy has anybody ever heard of goat milk powder they’re saying that’s really good for your bones too. I was just looking at something like that. it’s called Eve farms goat milk powder

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@vmcgrantham I haven't heard of goat milk powder, but I drink goat milk kefir. 320 mg of calcium per cup. How much calcium do you all take daily? I was at 750 or 800, but I'm going to increase to 1000. I split that into 2 doses, midday and after dinner. I may take only 750 if I've had calcium from yoghurt that day.
My endocrinologist says I should take 1000 or 1200. I tried to get all my calcium from diet for a few months, but I found that very difficult. If you really do the research on a foods with calcium and exactly how much you need to eat of specific foods, I think you'll find it's rather hard to get up to 1000. I ended up overeating.

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Profile picture for gargoy @gargoy

@vmcgrantham I haven't heard of goat milk powder, but I drink goat milk kefir. 320 mg of calcium per cup. How much calcium do you all take daily? I was at 750 or 800, but I'm going to increase to 1000. I split that into 2 doses, midday and after dinner. I may take only 750 if I've had calcium from yoghurt that day.
My endocrinologist says I should take 1000 or 1200. I tried to get all my calcium from diet for a few months, but I found that very difficult. If you really do the research on a foods with calcium and exactly how much you need to eat of specific foods, I think you'll find it's rather hard to get up to 1000. I ended up overeating.

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@gargoy i’m not sure cause each person’s difference but when I was told that when you take calcium, you should take and I asked a question to the thing with a goat milk powder about the K2 and the vitaminD’s and and she said that you should still take your K2 and vitamin D with the calcium because the K2 and the vitamin D, cause the calcium to absorb in the bones

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