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My Diabetes 2 Backwards Numbers---Anyone else?

Posted by @retiredteacher, May 10, 2017

I was diagnosed one year ago and as an educator I have researched and read everything I could find about diabetes. I have never been sickly or had a disease before this reared its ugly head. I have the Mayo book with explanation and information. My PCP doesn’t do anything with diabetes so I made an appointment with an endocrinologist. My A1c was 6.0 and all testing profiles were normal except triglycerides. I do not take any diabetes medicines. I was not an exercise person, but I started exercising, using a treadmill. My situation is pretty good. I changed my diet to conform as much as possible. I don’t eat fish, so chicken is my main meat. I eat beef once a week. Mostly I eat vegetables. Fruits seem to spike my blood numbers. I have experimented with some different food combinations; some have worked; some haven’t.
My main problem is that my morning number before breakfast is often high (in 140’s or 150’s). and then after lunch, it will be in range or lower (100 to 120).
Last night before I went to bed my blood was 103. This morning it was 154. I don’t understand why numbers would go up during the night. It always comes down during the day. This is backwards for what my Endo. told me. He said it should be under 120 in A.M. and below 180 three hours after lunch. I also have not lost weight even though I exercise daily. I think I am backwards, but I don’t know why. I don’t see Endo. for another month so don’t know what all this up and down is doing to my profile numbers and don’t know how to change it.

Thanks to anyone else who has had this situation and can help.

retiredteacher

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Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

@colleenyoung

Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

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I eat chicken breast (oven baked) three or four days a week or eat vegetarian. One day a week I may have lean beef. All legal green vegetables work magic. I do not eat legumes. I do not eat fruits, except a few blueberries; others shoot blood up off the chart. I eat one piece of diet dry wheat toast for breakfast. Avoid all other breads. Cannot eat cereals, oatmeal and the like. No pasta of any kind. I cannot eat fish. I’ve tried other things, but always see the numbers rise. I eat nothing fried. I drink water. I do not have dairy unless it is fat free cheese. My diet is very limited, so I try to add something that should be diet and then again it doesn’t work.
Three hours after lunch (all veggies) my blood was 90. In the morning, it will be higher, as is the norm for me. No desserts, no delicious anything. I have also exercised twenty minutes today. That’s painful for me. I am 73 years old and have arthritis.
Today my A.M reading was 145 and 90 after lunch. That is good, but in the morning, it will probably be back in the high range again. Last night after supper it was 102. That makes no sense to me. I have been reading and researching all year, but I still cannot find this type of behavior. I had no idea I had diabetes when informed a year ago, and as always healthy, it really has hit me like a ton of bricks. I am not taking any medicine. I am determined to control this monster with diet and exercise.
Thanks for your response.

retiredteacher

@retiredteacher You certainly have developed a commendable diet plan! Since you are concerned about the higher numbers in the morning, might you consider calling your endo and just speaking to him before your next appointment? I admire the good work you are doing with your diet. Keep in touch and let us know how it is going for you and if you get any answers to your questions. Teresa

@hopeful33250

@retiredteacher You certainly have developed a commendable diet plan! Since you are concerned about the higher numbers in the morning, might you consider calling your endo and just speaking to him before your next appointment? I admire the good work you are doing with your diet. Keep in touch and let us know how it is going for you and if you get any answers to your questions. Teresa

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Thanks, Teresa, but I don’t feel as if I’m doing that well since that A.M. reading is high. My Endo told me the morning should be below 120 and the three hours after lunch should be under 180. Only a few days do I see that.
Do you know why it would rise during the night and then fall during the day? That’s backwards. My Endo knows this but he seems more concerned with my A1c.

retiredteacher

@colleenyoung

Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

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Hi I was tagged so I will add response. I got diagnosed with diabetes in 2014. That’s when I hit 50. Doctor said pancreas makes less insulin as we age so eventually it can’t keep up. He said to lower demand for insulin so pancreas can keep up. That’s losing weight or diet or exercise or some combination. I also think weight training is helpful as well as smaller meals but eat more often. I like to put leftovers in small containers and heat one up every couple hours. I don’t think carb are all bad but doctor said if you eat an apple then smear some peanut butter on it. That lowers glycemic index. So for me I’m doing the Healthy Living program. I put my goals as at least one day hiking, one day weight training, one day interval training, and weigh myself once per week. But I have lots of goals in resilience, too. We can’t just diet and exercise. We are encouraged to seek meaning for life too. That helps to stay on course. Peace.

@hopeful33250

@retiredteacher You certainly have developed a commendable diet plan! Since you are concerned about the higher numbers in the morning, might you consider calling your endo and just speaking to him before your next appointment? I admire the good work you are doing with your diet. Keep in touch and let us know how it is going for you and if you get any answers to your questions. Teresa

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@retiredteacher Hello again. You are probably doing everything you can do. If you read the post from @ihatediabetes you will see that as we age our pancreas often works less efficiently. I would encourage you to read about diabetes and talk with some others who also have it. @ihatediabetes is a great person to correspond with. Best wishes! Teresa

Could you possibly be experiencing the “Dawn Phenomenon” or “Dawn Effect?”

See this article: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/dawn-effect/faq-20057937

Note that this article talks about the effect as related to those taking insulin or other medications but, if I understand it correctly, it could also happen if you aren’t taking those medications. I also have high morning blood sugar. For me it tends to be higher than other times of the day, even though I haven’t had anything to eat and my blood sugar was lower before bed. My doctor says that this is not unusual and that my morning blood sugar will likely be the highest reading I get all day.

@eonealjr

Could you possibly be experiencing the “Dawn Phenomenon” or “Dawn Effect?”

See this article: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/dawn-effect/faq-20057937

Note that this article talks about the effect as related to those taking insulin or other medications but, if I understand it correctly, it could also happen if you aren’t taking those medications. I also have high morning blood sugar. For me it tends to be higher than other times of the day, even though I haven’t had anything to eat and my blood sugar was lower before bed. My doctor says that this is not unusual and that my morning blood sugar will likely be the highest reading I get all day.

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@eonealjr, I have thought of that. I suppose it could be the problem but it’s not totally consistent. Mu A.M. #’s are mostly the highest, but occasionally this is not the case. This morning, for example, blood was 115 and yesterday it was 90. So, I just lack consistency. My endo has never mentioned it, but I may ask him when I see him again.
Thanks,
retiredteacher

@colleenyoung

Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

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@ihatediabetes, I applaud your exercise routine and feel very inferior as I could never do that. I have never been athletic, but I have always been fit until the last few years. As a result of arthritis and other problems, my exercise is limited to my tread mill or walking tapes. I walk every day, but it has not helped me lose weight. It helps me sleep better, though I am not one who sleeps more than six or so hours a night, and then it’s very sporadic. I think this is a result of training myself to sleep even less when I was teaching. Also when I was young, my daddy always awakened me early as he thought sleeping late was lazy. I think my meaning for life was to teach. I always thought I would die in the classroom. It was my passion, my love, and my soul. When I had to retire, I was broken and have been in mourning since. So now, I don’t have any goals for meaning for life; I just try to survive and help my husband survive.
I appreciate your response. I hope we can keep in touch as I also hate diabetes and everything related to it.
retiredteacher

@colleenyoung

Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

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Hi thanks for your reply. I think it’s important to find meaning to life no matter life stage. That’s what keeps us going. I think when people lose sight of meaning then they get depressed. It creeps up on people. Then they start stockpiling pills, a little here and little there. They plan their exit for when pain gets too much. So I think its good to have goals. I make daily goals and longer term goals. For daily goals I list two or three things to do. A longer term goals is like wearing a certain dress size. Also I do think spirituality is important. I go to coffee shop and read Bible daily. If I miss a day I really notice. You might also consider some resistance training. You can make really slow movements but with resistance. I’ve been doing it and it’s made my joints stronger so I can hike on hills. I also think warm water zero entry pools are good for arthritis. There are water exercise classes for seniors out there. Peace.

@colleenyoung

Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

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Thanks for your positive response, but as I’ve been told over and over in the year since I was diagnosed, we are all different. I live in the middle of nowhere. I do not drive because of panic attacks, and I have no friends. So going to a gym or getting to a pool are not in the plan because of distance. I have a close spiritual bond with my Christianity, so that brings me peace when I get depressed. There isn’t a coffee shop for miles. My one goal was to teach; it’s all I ever wanted to do, and I did it for 42 years until I had to retire. That day was my first death. I cannot explain the passion I had for teaching. There is nothing else that could possibly replace it. I have read and researched diabetes for hours on end and resent the time I have to spend that way. I would never get out of the house to walk because it is rural and I consider it dangerous. I eat basically the same thing every day, and my husband does too since I never cooked until I got this disease. I know that I’ll never get well; diabetes will kill me. I never considered the Golden Age of Retirement and I despise being a senior citizen too. So, Just about every day is the same for me.
Again, I appreciate your response.

retiredteacher

@colleenyoung

Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

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Retired teacher, well I definitely feel for you and I can hear your cry for help loud and clear. I know what it feel like to be im a box and feel like there’s no way out. But there always is a way out. I know that a famous doctor has said when you feel depressed that the best your to do for your own mental health is find someone in need and help them. There is so much you can do by phone. There are suicide prevention hotlines that are routed to a volunteer’s phone number. You seem like a very giving person.

@colleenyoung

Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

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Thanks for your comments, ihatediabetes. I had a professor who also said there is always an alternative. That was years ago; he was right, and I found an alternative—-a third teaching job besides the two I already had. It presented a challenge, and I loved it. But, that ended, and then another challenge presented itself, and that was a teaching thrill. However, I am a recluse and I am in a box. I have all my life been a Steel Magnolia—strong and determined. But, since I no longer drive and since I have this deadly disease, I prefer to Be Still and Know. I don’t like to go anywhere, if I can help it, and I spend my days reading and researching diabetes.
I again am thankful for your response. I hope you are in control of this disease, as much as anyone can be.
retiredteacher

@colleenyoung

Hi @retiredteacher, welcome to Connect.
Good for you for making healthy lifestyle changes to your diet and exercise. Not easy to do. And then it must be a bit frustrating to have perplexing numbers; high in the morning and getting lower throughout the day.

I’d like to introduce you to few other members who have type 2 diabetes. I’m hoping @ihatediabetes @nancywhite @minda77 @thawyzard @kennethn1971 @amy75 @alfredt and @marb might be able to shed some light on your situation or at least share their experiences with managing sugar levels and number readings.

What foods have been helping to control your numbers and which ones do you have to avoid?

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I don’t worry too much about diabetes. Instead I focus on healthy lifestyle. I’m doing healthy living program at Mayo. So my program is nutrition, physical activity, and resilience. Then if I do these three things well my Diabetes and weight will naturally be stable. I also think if my diabetes gets worse I can always cut carbs. I’m not taking meds because I eat less carbs and exercise more to keep a1c reasonable. I also just do a1c and not daily monitoring. I could not monitor myself daily.

@eonealjr

Could you possibly be experiencing the “Dawn Phenomenon” or “Dawn Effect?”

See this article: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/dawn-effect/faq-20057937

Note that this article talks about the effect as related to those taking insulin or other medications but, if I understand it correctly, it could also happen if you aren’t taking those medications. I also have high morning blood sugar. For me it tends to be higher than other times of the day, even though I haven’t had anything to eat and my blood sugar was lower before bed. My doctor says that this is not unusual and that my morning blood sugar will likely be the highest reading I get all day.

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@retiredteacher I’m glad to see that you are getting some new ideas – keep in touch and let us know how you are doing. We look forward to hearing from you again. Teresa

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