High Coronary Calcium Score: How do others feel emotionally?

Posted by mcphee @mcphee, Dec 14, 2016

I have a calcium score of 1,950 which is extremely high which means I am at a very high risk for a cardiac event,heart attack,stroke or sudden death.

I take a statin and baby aspirin. I have never been sick, have excellent cholesterol, low blood pressure and I am not overweight. I have no other health problems and I have never been sick. But I feel like a walking time bomb which has caused me a lot of stress. I am 70 yrs old.

I wonder how others with this condition feel emotionally?

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Just had my one year check up after a quadruple cardiac bypass surgery. I am fully recovered (except for the mammary vein that was used in the process, which still stretches when I work out). I had a CAC score of 886. You can't go by that whole number, but there is a breakdown that tells you where the blockage might be. I was completely asymptomatic, but after the cardiac catheterization was told I was not a candidate for stents and was recommended to a surgeon. When I think back on everything I went through with the surgery, the ICU, the long recovery, I wonder if I could have skipped that whole thing. Bottom line if you have a family history of stroke/heart disease you are a candidate for some procedure. It becomes a choice of a planned event or an unplanned emergency. I am told because I was asymptomatic, my heart muscle is still healthy. Of all of my friends in my close circle I was considered the most active, health conscious one. Worked out 7 days a week, ate organic, had the occasional drink, never smoked. So it is an irony when you read a quiz that tells you how to change your lifestyle and you can check all the boxes! So what else is there to change.

We have a choice of living under a Damocles sword or getting on with our life and doing all the things we can, while we can. For those of you with an engineering background -- our bodies also have an MEP system -- Mechanical, Electrical and Plumbing. So I learned today that while my plumbing and mechanical systems were fine, I had an issue with my electrical system which seems fine but would require a pacemaker in the future. I should never have let anybody tamper with my system. I have great doctors and think they all did a great job. But I feel like a used car, with frequent tune ups and always something new that is being discovered that needs more attention.

I am very grateful for this forum. I don't feel like I am alone. And it allows me to lead the good life. Whether or not it matters, I continue with my good lifestyle, working out, eating healthy and making a positive impact on others. But I am done. Not sure where my thinking will be in a few years if I actually will need a pacemaker. But for now, I have been very blessed, I have had a good life and when God is good and ready, I will go happily and without fear or regret. No more surgery for me!

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@bluesdoc

Hi again, Tim. Yes, I agree. CAC scores are statistically associated with coronary risk, but there are plenty of outliers, ie, someone with a CAC score of 400 and no plaque on angiogram (a case my cardiologist had). And those of us with scores off the charts, no one understands the meaning. If Annie, with a CAC score of 256 is in the 92nd percentile for MI risk, those of us in the thousands ought to be dead several times over. Apparently, we're not.

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Thanks, bluesdoc. I'm glad I had the CAC scoring done two years ago. I am already a lifelong exerciser, but I did change my diet to follow American Heart Association guidelines (Mediterranean diet) I've come to terms with the high score, and no longer feel that it's a Damocles sword hanging over my head. So unless I become symptomatic, I'll continue to follow the best heart-healthy practices, including taking a statin to keep LDL in the 50-70 range.

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@bluesdoc

Hi again, Tim. Yes, I agree. CAC scores are statistically associated with coronary risk, but there are plenty of outliers, ie, someone with a CAC score of 400 and no plaque on angiogram (a case my cardiologist had). And those of us with scores off the charts, no one understands the meaning. If Annie, with a CAC score of 256 is in the 92nd percentile for MI risk, those of us in the thousands ought to be dead several times over. Apparently, we're not.

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@bluesdoc Your response made me feel a little better. Thank you.

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@tim1028

I was told by my Cardiologist that the risk of doing invasive cardiogram outweighs the benefits. In other words there is nothing I would do differently based on the cardiogram. Do you agree Bluesdoc? Like you I have a high CAC score of about 1500

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Hi again, Tim. Yes, I agree. CAC scores are statistically associated with coronary risk, but there are plenty of outliers, ie, someone with a CAC score of 400 and no plaque on angiogram (a case my cardiologist had). And those of us with scores off the charts, no one understands the meaning. If Annie, with a CAC score of 256 is in the 92nd percentile for MI risk, those of us in the thousands ought to be dead several times over. Apparently, we're not.

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@bluesdoc

fwiw - I'm the owner of an astronomic CAC score - over 2600, but, BUT I have a normal stress treadmill and the ultrasound of my carotids shows no atherosclerosis. Point being - I'm NOT in line for a stroke. And as I've mentioned before, I don't think that those of us with extremely high CAC scores have coronary atherosclerosis in proportion to that score. So, we really don't know our risk for heart attack without coronary angiography. I'd do that if I weren't hypersensitive to contrast material. So it goes.

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I was told by my Cardiologist that the risk of doing invasive cardiogram outweighs the benefits. In other words there is nothing I would do differently based on the cardiogram. Do you agree Bluesdoc? Like you I have a high CAC score of about 1500

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@robertaholmes

This looks like a old discussion but will reply and add my details and comments. I am a 67 yo f and recently had a ct ld calcium scan after I noticed a cartoid artery blockage on ultrasound. My scan result was 1852. I then ordered a NMR to evaluate the makeup of my LDL and just like I suspected my small dense LDL was over a 1000. I had been taking 40 mg of pravastatin for over 20 years. This was shocking to me as my LDL Total was always in the 70's as was my HDL with my triglycerides almost always under 100. This was a enigma. I consulted with my cardiologist and endocrinologist about this and inquired as what would be a good treatment plan. The cardiologist told me that they don't normally test for particle size and do calcium scans as if they find something there is no FDA approved treatment. Here I had been going along fat dum and happy thinking all my cholesterol testing done over the past 20+ years indicated that I had 1/2 the risk of a Mace and now to find out it exceeded 10x+ the
risk. The medical "standard of care" is a broken model. If I had not taken it on my own to grab my own care by the horns I would not know I was a walking time bomb. Addionally it is a little known secret buried deep in the bowls of the medical literature that statins INCREASE arterial calcium.

I now fear this calcium is also effecting my renal system as my eGFR has been falling and Creatine has been increasing. I have now scheduled a complete parathyroid and renal ultrasound and laboratory work up. To see if my suspicions are again correct.

PLEASE DON'T LET YOUR CARE BE ON AUTOPILOT.

To reinforce the medical "standard of care" model is severely broken I argued in great detail why stopping the PSA test was such a hairbrained idea. They eventually brought it back and told the medical school profs a big I told you so. You have to realize the standard of care model is nothing more than a crude attempt at a cost versus benefit and utilizes a VERY BROAD basket of individuals with no understanding of the fact we're unique!

Sincerely

Roberta Holmes

I have tried all the vitamins with no results. You may need megadoses of V-K to see results but wasn't willing to go that far. Most likely will try next the biophosphates. BTW there are very few true experts on this phenomenon in the world.

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I feel your pain. Standard of care is broken, and I'm married to a gastroenterologist! Been told for years by doctors that I didn't have to worry about my cholesterol because I had high HDL and because it was the men in my family who dropped dead. Now I'm looking at a 256 CAC score at 64 years old. Thought I was in great shape, now feel like the "walking time bomb" because that score puts me in the 92 percentile which is considered high risk for heart attack. Saw a cardiologist who gave me the same standard of care BS so had my husband order all the tests that tell you what you need to know- LPa, APOB, fasting insulin, etc. and repeating lipids, etc. On a very low carb diet and doing my own research to stop the progression. Seeing one of the top researchers at UCLA tomorrow. Will report back to see what he has to say but statins do raise CAC scores so I'm not sold on taking them yet.

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@robertaholmes

The CAC score is just one variable in a total picture of your total risk for CAD. With a calcium score gt 1k you tend to have a more stable plaque. This could lower your risk for stroke and certain coronary events. If you have unstable plaque and undergo angioplasty you may have a greater risk of a adverse event. The calcium score also breaks down where the calcium deposits are located which indicates where and how pathogenic the calcium may be. The bottom line is you must be cognizant of all the details that are included in cardiovascular disease. A few factors not mentioned is family history, genetics, lifestyle, lifetime blood pressure and any other cormobid conditions.

Roberta

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If any one has been successful in lowering their calcium score I would be very interested in your treatment plan that accomplished this difficult task. I would also be interested in the genetic influence on arterial calcium buildup. Provide the genes and snps that are most closely linked.

If anyone who has a high score and had a stroke attributable to their score would provide information on outcome and how your stroke presented.

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@bluesdoc

fwiw - I'm the owner of an astronomic CAC score - over 2600, but, BUT I have a normal stress treadmill and the ultrasound of my carotids shows no atherosclerosis. Point being - I'm NOT in line for a stroke. And as I've mentioned before, I don't think that those of us with extremely high CAC scores have coronary atherosclerosis in proportion to that score. So, we really don't know our risk for heart attack without coronary angiography. I'd do that if I weren't hypersensitive to contrast material. So it goes.

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Thanks for the input. Ive probably been over researching!

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The CAC score is just one variable in a total picture of your total risk for CAD. With a calcium score gt 1k you tend to have a more stable plaque. This could lower your risk for stroke and certain coronary events. If you have unstable plaque and undergo angioplasty you may have a greater risk of a adverse event. The calcium score also breaks down where the calcium deposits are located which indicates where and how pathogenic the calcium may be. The bottom line is you must be cognizant of all the details that are included in cardiovascular disease. A few factors not mentioned is family history, genetics, lifestyle, lifetime blood pressure and any other cormobid conditions.

Roberta

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@achilles50

Thanks! It wasn't very hard because to me I didn't really have a choice. I wish it didn't take a high score to finally get my health under control. Im 45 and weighed 237 2 months ago and now weigh 218. I feel a lot better and don't have any plans on slowing down on my healthy journey, I just fear that its too late and I waited too long. I feel like Im just waiting out a heart attack or a stroke with the score I have

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fwiw - I'm the owner of an astronomic CAC score - over 2600, but, BUT I have a normal stress treadmill and the ultrasound of my carotids shows no atherosclerosis. Point being - I'm NOT in line for a stroke. And as I've mentioned before, I don't think that those of us with extremely high CAC scores have coronary atherosclerosis in proportion to that score. So, we really don't know our risk for heart attack without coronary angiography. I'd do that if I weren't hypersensitive to contrast material. So it goes.

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