Treating Osteoporosis: What works for you?

Posted by heritage1955 @heritage1955, Apr 1, 2016

Hi. I'm new to the site and am interested in treating osteoperosis. I'm 39 yo and recently had a bone density that showed I'm at -2.4. So, going through the intial "I can't believe it" stuff. 🙂

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@mistea

Hi, just catching up on Mayoclinic comments. I don't know anything about Caltron book/diet. I discovered the oxylate rich food issue recently on my own, doing research. In addition to that, I discovered an issue with phytic acid interfering with calcium absorption too. My endocrinologist just told me "more calcium" and recommended Reclast because I also have an issue with possible Barretts esophagus. Still holding off/trying to decide what to do. But one thing I read (don't remember where) was to stagger calcium supplements/foods by at 2 hours before or after high fiber, high oxylate foods. Don't know if it's going to work, but I think it's worth a try. Good luck!

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@mistea - Although my memory isn't the best, I recall my Kaiser dietician recommending taking high calcium foods/supplements along with high oxalate foods to reduce the oxalate effect.
Any further comments about this issue welcome.

I'm now reading the latest Pizzorno book , "Healthy Bones, Health You!" to further confuse myself.

Interesting calcium ideas at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6276611/

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@notmoff

@mistea - Although my memory isn't the best, I recall my Kaiser dietician recommending taking high calcium foods/supplements along with high oxalate foods to reduce the oxalate effect.
Any further comments about this issue welcome.

I'm now reading the latest Pizzorno book , "Healthy Bones, Health You!" to further confuse myself.

Interesting calcium ideas at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6276611/

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Thank you for your thoughts! It's enough to make your head spin. I feel like we are all a bunch of guinea pigs. I do remember reading about staggering calcium with oxylates, but don't know if I could get my hands on it anymore. Perhaps if you take enough calcium with oxylates, some will not be bound to the oxylates and flushed out of your system so it can be absorbed. Makes you wonder about spinach and other green leafies that have calcium and oxylates.

I know my GI Dr.'s practice has a nutritionist on staff - for GI, not for osteoporosis, but I'm thinking of setting up a consult. I'll let you know if I find out anything more.

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@mistea

Thank you for your thoughts! It's enough to make your head spin. I feel like we are all a bunch of guinea pigs. I do remember reading about staggering calcium with oxylates, but don't know if I could get my hands on it anymore. Perhaps if you take enough calcium with oxylates, some will not be bound to the oxylates and flushed out of your system so it can be absorbed. Makes you wonder about spinach and other green leafies that have calcium and oxylates.

I know my GI Dr.'s practice has a nutritionist on staff - for GI, not for osteoporosis, but I'm thinking of setting up a consult. I'll let you know if I find out anything more.

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@mistea and @etartaglione

Mistea - Thanks for considering asking for the nutrition consult. The pain and fractures are unrelenting and we all need as much help as possible to be somewhat knowledgeable guinea pigs.

Did I miss which 50 oz of juiced fruits and veggies provided such a great anti inflammatory effect? I'm guessing green leafies, crucifers, fresh turmeric, berries, & tomatoes . . . ?

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@callalloo

Which fruit (or vegetables) are you juicing? Thanks in advance :-).

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i juice all green tase terrible but after you see what it does for a few days you will not Quit i am 73 and look like 45 no wrinkles and great for mental clarity & pain
i have been doing wheat grass for 35 years 2 0z that what started me doing vegetable juice. After doing wheat grass for 4 days you will not believe your mind and body but you need a special machine for wheat grass
I juice kale collar greens swiss chard beets 1 beet a day no more cucumbers celery carrots ginger bock choy broccoli (don't tase good but it is GREAT GREAT for you)

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@mistea

Thank you for your thoughts! It's enough to make your head spin. I feel like we are all a bunch of guinea pigs. I do remember reading about staggering calcium with oxylates, but don't know if I could get my hands on it anymore. Perhaps if you take enough calcium with oxylates, some will not be bound to the oxylates and flushed out of your system so it can be absorbed. Makes you wonder about spinach and other green leafies that have calcium and oxylates.

I know my GI Dr.'s practice has a nutritionist on staff - for GI, not for osteoporosis, but I'm thinking of setting up a consult. I'll let you know if I find out anything more.

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I herd spinach is not bone frendly don't know?
It is on Irma Jennings e-mail????

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@etartaglione

i juice all green tase terrible but after you see what it does for a few days you will not Quit i am 73 and look like 45 no wrinkles and great for mental clarity & pain
i have been doing wheat grass for 35 years 2 0z that what started me doing vegetable juice. After doing wheat grass for 4 days you will not believe your mind and body but you need a special machine for wheat grass
I juice kale collar greens swiss chard beets 1 beet a day no more cucumbers celery carrots ginger bock choy broccoli (don't tase good but it is GREAT GREAT for you)

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Thanks. I can buy freshly grown wheat grass juiced so will try that. And I find that adding fresh apple or pineapple makes almost anything drinkable. I used to juice a lot and need to get back in the habit. I've been adding broccoli and other cruciferous vegetables to my diet.

I do get concerned about cleaning the vegetables. A restaurant owner suggested, first, soaking all fresh produce in basin of water with a few ounces of vinegar for 15 minutes. Then rinsing thoroughly. Anyone have any other ideas for cleaning produce before eating it raw...besides growing it yourself?

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@notmoff

@windyshores - Again, it is good to hear that you find Tymlos of help. And thank you for the updated information about cancer risk.

I am a newbie to all this, gathering information here and from library books which is where I got the 2019 Calton book, probably written before the cancer risk was debunked as you mentioned. I lack the energy to retype more text - my primitive method.
Yes, being frightened affects our health. Not being attentive to risks and finding oneself regretting unwise decisions made in haste can also be bad for our health.
I think it best I simply read, rather than write posts.

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I hope you continue to feel free to post :-). We're all trying to navigate the various treatment options and many people have serious issues with the drugs which, themselves, can have serious issues (side effects).

There is a lot of 'information' about many medical issues which turns out to be incorrect and disproven over time. Conversely, there are medical protocols, including drugs, later found to be ineffective (or more effectivde).

So I take anything I read as 'possibly true' and just research it further until the weight of the evidence, and my doctors' thoughts, lend it significant validity.

There are things that may not have strong scientific support that I'm nonetheless willing to try if the risk of trying them is negligible or non-existent. An example would be adding a lot more cruciferous vegetables to my diet as studies suggest they may be highly anti-carcinogenic against certain breast cancers. Even if they don't prove to be so, they help reduce cholesterol and have other benefits so I waive the standard of 'proof of effectiveness' that I would otherwise want. I think of health as a work-in-progress and some trial and error...

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@callalloo

I hope you continue to feel free to post :-). We're all trying to navigate the various treatment options and many people have serious issues with the drugs which, themselves, can have serious issues (side effects).

There is a lot of 'information' about many medical issues which turns out to be incorrect and disproven over time. Conversely, there are medical protocols, including drugs, later found to be ineffective (or more effectivde).

So I take anything I read as 'possibly true' and just research it further until the weight of the evidence, and my doctors' thoughts, lend it significant validity.

There are things that may not have strong scientific support that I'm nonetheless willing to try if the risk of trying them is negligible or non-existent. An example would be adding a lot more cruciferous vegetables to my diet as studies suggest they may be highly anti-carcinogenic against certain breast cancers. Even if they don't prove to be so, they help reduce cholesterol and have other benefits so I waive the standard of 'proof of effectiveness' that I would otherwise want. I think of health as a work-in-progress and some trial and error...

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@callalloo Thanks for the encouragement. The recommended treatments, our responses to them and to one another are all a work in progress.
Your criteria make a lot of sense. After all, we all just buying time to make life as pain free as possible for as long as possible.

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@callalloo

Thanks. I can buy freshly grown wheat grass juiced so will try that. And I find that adding fresh apple or pineapple makes almost anything drinkable. I used to juice a lot and need to get back in the habit. I've been adding broccoli and other cruciferous vegetables to my diet.

I do get concerned about cleaning the vegetables. A restaurant owner suggested, first, soaking all fresh produce in basin of water with a few ounces of vinegar for 15 minutes. Then rinsing thoroughly. Anyone have any other ideas for cleaning produce before eating it raw...besides growing it yourself?

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Ok today was my 2nd scan 1 year after taking Forteo
originally my hips was 3.2-3.4
my spine was 4.6
Today after 1 year hips was the same
my spine is 4.0
does anyone know how it sounds my Dr said it is good
Juicing every day and injections daily

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@callalloo

Thanks. I can buy freshly grown wheat grass juiced so will try that. And I find that adding fresh apple or pineapple makes almost anything drinkable. I used to juice a lot and need to get back in the habit. I've been adding broccoli and other cruciferous vegetables to my diet.

I do get concerned about cleaning the vegetables. A restaurant owner suggested, first, soaking all fresh produce in basin of water with a few ounces of vinegar for 15 minutes. Then rinsing thoroughly. Anyone have any other ideas for cleaning produce before eating it raw...besides growing it yourself?

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