Healing osteoporosis without medication

Posted by imatine @imatine, Dec 4, 2020

Hello, did anyone here try to heal from osteoporosis away from all the prescribed medications we all know of? Did you try following a specific diet? Excercise? Meditation, etc. ? Thank you

@kathleen1314

The title of this posting is "Healing osteoporosis without medication"

The poster is asking: "Hello, did anyone here try to heal from osteoporosis away from all the prescribed medications we all know of? Did you try following a specific diet? Excercise? Meditation, etc."

Interestingly, most of the answers which I see relate to Big Pharma medications and I do not see any numbers, dxa or bone measures to show any "Healing" of osteoporosis without medication or with medications.

Hate to repeat but here are my numbers again with only the intervention of supplements, including strontium citrate, and bioidentical hormones.

My numbers began at:
2004 Femoral Neck -2.8

In 2019 my numbers were:
2019 Femoral Neck -.6

No fractures, no side effects. I do not believe that osteoporosis is ever healed, but I believe that my numbers and lack of fractures and side effects show the disease is more than managed. My endocrinologist has released me unless my numbers change or if I have fractures.

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Thx Kathleen. Hope you are doing well. Take care, Sunny

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@fiesty76

@kathleen1314, Congratulations on your improved Dexa scores!
I've read a bit about strontium citrate and will ask my doc about it at my next visit. I've not heard of bioidentical hormones so could you elaborate a bit more or provide a good site for more info on that? Thank you for your post.

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Here is a posting on Inspire with lots of information about bioidentical hormones
https://www.inspire.com/groups/national-osteoporosis-foundation/discussion/bioidentical-hormones-ku5csb/
Bioidentical hormones began an "item" after the WHI report which evaluated progestins (man made progesterones) and man made estrogens and estrogen from horses. This report showed a higher level of cancers and heart disease tied to these hormones. So these bioidentical hormones were begun to be safer and more effective.

Bioidentical are usually plant based, yam. and engineered to be chemically identical to what our bodies produce naturally.
Bioidentical usually are topical or vaginal….frequently are made for you personally by a compounding pharmacy. I know of no report tying balanced bioidentical hormone therapy to cancer, heart disease. Still, I have seen lots of research that says that estrogen always need to be balanced by progesterone for cancer prevention. Plus, hormone therapy needs to begun earlier rather than later for especially heart health.
Compounding pharmacies are the best place to go to ask for the names of hormone specialists in your area who prescribe bioidentical hormones. Also progesterone and estriol may be ordered off Amazon from large compounding pharmacies. Realize most of these off the shelf hormones will have preservatives in them in order to last longer on a shelf…not horrible but necessary to understand in making a decision whether to buy from a compounder or thru a mail order facility.

I will say that hormones are not easy. They need to be monitored regularly, and if you use them you need to listen to your body. One good thing about hormones is if they are "off" they are not silent they will speak out very loudly in symptoms.
That is why I prefer to use a topical hormone or a vaginal hormone. Something which I may change quickly if needed. In addition, I prefer never to use an oral hormone because of it definitely going thru the liver. Plus, many oral hormones are not bioidentical they are the dangerous progestins etc reviewed in the WHI report.

Yes bioidentical hormones may be complicated, but this is one very,very effective way to combat osteoporosis. It is also a "weapon" that has a time date; you need to begin hormone therapy sooner rather than later. So procrastination is not your friend when it comes to hormones.

I hope this helps…please feel free to message me personally with any questions.

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@kathleen1314, I have a Zoom visit scheduled with my doctor today and will ask her about prescribing bioidentical hormones and supplements for osteoporosis. Thank you for taking the time to share these informative, helpful links and your own experience with them. As a G.P., I don't know her level of expertise with osteo and may ask for a referral to a specialist…possibly Endocrinologist ?

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@fiesty76

@kathleen1314, I have a Zoom visit scheduled with my doctor today and will ask her about prescribing bioidentical hormones and supplements for osteoporosis. Thank you for taking the time to share these informative, helpful links and your own experience with them. As a G.P., I don't know her level of expertise with osteo and may ask for a referral to a specialist…possibly Endocrinologist ?

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hi fiesty,
I don't know your age or have long you have been in menopause, which is important for bioidentical hormones; Doctors fear beginning hormones after patients have been in menopause for too many years because of the fear that plaque may have built up and then have the risk of breaking loose when hormones are restarted and arteries may become more pliable.

all people with osteoporosis need to consult an endocrinologist; there are numerous diseases and conditions which may cause or impact osteoporosis .An endocrinologist should run a wide range of tests cking the parathyroid etc.
I also believe that everyone with osteoporosis needs to consult a hormone specialist….endocrinologists seldom ck sex hormones, but a hormone specialist should ck all hormones. You may find the name of a hormone specialist who works with bioidentical hormones by calling your local compounding pharmacy; that is a pharmacy that makes medicine, including hormones, just for you individually.

Let me throw out that I do not think anyone should take a progestin, a man made progesterone, which is usually a pill taken by mouth. The WHI report that spoke to the dangers of hormones was mainly speaking about progestins.
Plus, I do not think anyone should take an estrogen without progesterone. Some doctors says you don't need the progesterone if you have had a hysterectomy, but you probably still have your breasts, and you still have the cancer risk.
Research seems to show that about 50 mg progesterone daily for at least 3 weeks a month holds protection from cancer. I use it topically and vaginally.

Obviously, I am not a doctor. What I know is gleaned from reading research papers and consulting with my own doctors. We all have to make personal decisions about what is best for us, to read the research and consult with our doctors.
Good luck my friend!

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@fiesty76

@kathleen1314, I have a Zoom visit scheduled with my doctor today and will ask her about prescribing bioidentical hormones and supplements for osteoporosis. Thank you for taking the time to share these informative, helpful links and your own experience with them. As a G.P., I don't know her level of expertise with osteo and may ask for a referral to a specialist…possibly Endocrinologist ?

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@fiesty76 Please definitely get a referral to an endocrinologist or a rheumatologist. Both specialities treat osteoporosis and since that is their speciality they know more than a GP or Internist knows.

I chose an endocrinologist over a rheumatologist simply because the rheumatologist I was considering had some reviews that said she was impatient if she had to repeat herself. Having a hearing disability I often have to ask doctors to repeat.
JK

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@kathleen1314

hi fiesty,
I don't know your age or have long you have been in menopause, which is important for bioidentical hormones; Doctors fear beginning hormones after patients have been in menopause for too many years because of the fear that plaque may have built up and then have the risk of breaking loose when hormones are restarted and arteries may become more pliable.

all people with osteoporosis need to consult an endocrinologist; there are numerous diseases and conditions which may cause or impact osteoporosis .An endocrinologist should run a wide range of tests cking the parathyroid etc.
I also believe that everyone with osteoporosis needs to consult a hormone specialist….endocrinologists seldom ck sex hormones, but a hormone specialist should ck all hormones. You may find the name of a hormone specialist who works with bioidentical hormones by calling your local compounding pharmacy; that is a pharmacy that makes medicine, including hormones, just for you individually.

Let me throw out that I do not think anyone should take a progestin, a man made progesterone, which is usually a pill taken by mouth. The WHI report that spoke to the dangers of hormones was mainly speaking about progestins.
Plus, I do not think anyone should take an estrogen without progesterone. Some doctors says you don't need the progesterone if you have had a hysterectomy, but you probably still have your breasts, and you still have the cancer risk.
Research seems to show that about 50 mg progesterone daily for at least 3 weeks a month holds protection from cancer. I use it topically and vaginally.

Obviously, I am not a doctor. What I know is gleaned from reading research papers and consulting with my own doctors. We all have to make personal decisions about what is best for us, to read the research and consult with our doctors.
Good luck my friend!

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Thank you, @kathleen1314, for your additional information and recommendations. I am 77yrs, so long post menopausal.

I do know of one compounding pharmacy here and appreciate your pointing me in that direction as well. And with prediabetes, ckd, hi b.p. and COPD, I heartily agree that my best next move will be to ask my pcp for a referral to a good endocrinologist.

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@fiesty76

Thank you, @kathleen1314, for your additional information and recommendations. I am 77yrs, so long post menopausal.

I do know of one compounding pharmacy here and appreciate your pointing me in that direction as well. And with prediabetes, ckd, hi b.p. and COPD, I heartily agree that my best next move will be to ask my pcp for a referral to a good endocrinologist.

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fiesty I am not one to recommend BigParma meds especially before other avenues like strontium citrate are explored….but evista is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM). that is a man made drug that is used for osteoporosis to mimic estrogen….worth investigating….but I personally would use strontium citrate first….at least it is a natural product that the body recognizes and knows how to use, even though you will have to use it at a pharmaceutical level. To briefly talk about strontium, the current research seems to show that in works in the bone in areas where calcium does not exist in new bone and replacing 1 in 10 molecules of calcium….but it does it in a way that allows a joining or scaffolding effect to allow hydration and something called "sacrificial bonds" which makes the bone less likely to fracture…allowing for a 49% lessening of fracture risk …here is a link to a compellation of research on strontium ck out especially section https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352187220300334?via%3Dihub#bb0450

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@imatine

@ess77 wishing you well too 😊👍🏼

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Hello, imatine. I just saw you asked me a couple questions in your reply??? 12/05.

I'm so sorry for missing them….I'm not on any meds for osteoporosis. l was first diagnosed with it at 35. At that time, I was on oyster shell calcium, the doc thinking it would be the best type of calcium. There were no treatments at that time no meds yet. 'Treatment' was to lose weight, add calcium to diet, take the supplements and exercise, which was almost impossible for me at that time. Basically, all the things Sue mentioned in her reply.

I did what I could and as directed, until I finally saw a rheumatologist….previous doc was neurologist! Don't know if rheumatologist were invented then! When I saw the rheumatologist, couple decades later, he diagnosed fibromylagia, also…. or at that time, female/anxiety/head issues.

But, I just had a bone scan and I have osteopenia now.

Boke all my toes, several more than once, as I have a tough time lifting my feet up going up stairs. Have for many years, & I'm always bare foot, so toes get hurt. They also don't heal well.

Last year I broke, at different but overlaping times, several litttle bones in both feet. After the second foot was broken, I was put in a walking cast for that foot, too. So, I was in 2 different casts and different designs from the same ortho doc, at the same time. For several days and nights.

Then, I was simply not capable of handling that situation. I was having some early heart failure. So, I…being me….said, 'Enough!' I couldn't do it. It was too much, more pain & I felt really awful getting worse and it was just too much. So, I took both casts off, put them in the closet and told my feet to heal! A ccouple of weeks later I was in the hospital with heart failure….edema mostly in my feet and legs.

You get the jist of this story. It got better with the attention I gave it with supplements, etc. Then, other things took over the front page and now, at 73, I'm just full of stories like a little ole' lady. I suppose I am…..an older, middle-aged woman. Blessings. Elizabeth

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@kathleen1314

fiesty I am not one to recommend BigParma meds especially before other avenues like strontium citrate are explored….but evista is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM). that is a man made drug that is used for osteoporosis to mimic estrogen….worth investigating….but I personally would use strontium citrate first….at least it is a natural product that the body recognizes and knows how to use, even though you will have to use it at a pharmaceutical level. To briefly talk about strontium, the current research seems to show that in works in the bone in areas where calcium does not exist in new bone and replacing 1 in 10 molecules of calcium….but it does it in a way that allows a joining or scaffolding effect to allow hydration and something called "sacrificial bonds" which makes the bone less likely to fracture…allowing for a 49% lessening of fracture risk …here is a link to a compellation of research on strontium ck out especially section https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352187220300334?via%3Dihub#bb0450

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Kathleen, thx for the great info! Each time I read your messages, I learn even more! Thank you!!! Sunnyflower @fiesty76

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