What helps improve osteoporosis without medication?

Posted by imatine @imatine, Dec 4, 2020

Hello, did anyone here try to heal from osteoporosis away from all the prescribed medications we all know of? Did you try following a specific diet? Excercise? Meditation, etc. ? Thank you

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@sunnyflower

Dear JK, Wow, what a journey you've been on. Understatement! My heart is heavy reading your story.

I too take daily Prednisone and then before that IV steroids with PO tapers, for lungs and connective tissue disease inflammation. I hate the drug. It has caused cataracs, fractures (osteoporosis) and other health problems.

My Endos over the years have wanted me to take osteoporosis meds but after much research and many consults, I can't allow myself to take any of the toxic drugs.

I can't imagine being in more pain than I am already in. The side effects can be brutal and described as "debilitating severe" muscle and joint pain, flu-like symptoms, stomach upset and even Femur fractures and a femur tumor although rare. And, if I am understanding it correctly, none of them do the two things we need, which is removing of the old dead bone and rebuilding new bone. They either do one or the other. And some of them you can only take for so long and then because they are so toxic you need a vacation from them for a certain amount of time.

I do not mean to discourage you in any way. This has been very recent with me and I have the best endocrinologist in the world who has been willing to discuss every potential issue over and over again with me.

Each must make their own decision for what is best for themselves. I was so shocked to learn that my recent bone density study showed my spine is 13% worse and my hip 14% worse and they say that anything greater than 2% change is considered significant. I already had severe osteoporosis and had three broken pelvic bones one broken rib and a few smaller.

I had lost a bunch of weight on a very low calorie diet which really hurt me and I didn't realize it for a few years. Now I have changed my diet and added the things that you mentioned you take in regard to supplements. I learned that I must have fat with the meal for the Vitamin D that I take with a meal to do its work helping absorb calcium. I have a wonderful nutritionist now who has taught me so much! I have changed the plant-based bone supplement I was using because it had strontium in it. I have learned that strontium is a very heavy Adam and if it is taken with calcium your body will absorb the strontium and not the calcium. Therefore, the strontium should be Taken 2 hours before or after calcium or calcium supplements.

So much of what I have learned is here on connect. There is so much to learn about this horrible disease!

I will uphold you in prayer that God gives you discernment in which direction to go regarding your osteoporosis medications. I will also be praying that your decreased dose of prednisone does not in any way cause you problems with your transplant. I do not know what your transplant is but I assume you are taking it for anti-rejection?

Take good care of yourself, it sounds like you are and many blessings and warmest wishes, Sunny flower 😊🙏

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I don't see any follow up posts on any of this thread. Is it continued elsewhere? @sunnyflower How are your numbers now? Are you still not taking any osteoporosis medications?

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@csday

Here is my Osteo journey: Look for a clinic that does Echolight sonagrams scans. Echolight is used in Europe and is now FDA approved. It measures bone strength as well as density without radiation and cost $80-$125 Then with your endocrinologist determine why you are losing calcium. I had a kidney issue where the kidneys were ‘spilling’ calcium rather than absorbing it for my bones. . Also, look for Osteogenic loading equipment which is based on Wolff's law of how the body builds bones. Developed by the German anatomist and surgeon Julius Wolff in the 19th century, states that bone in a healthy animal will adapt to the loads under which it is placed. If loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading. Endocrinologists know this law, but prescribe medicine rather than weight bearing exercise. I asked my doctor to prescribe physical therapy, which gave me a daily bone exercise program for bone strength. I can get an Echolight scan (in Asheville NC) every 6 months to monitor progress and use the Osteogenic equipment (at a near by bone clinic) to stimulate bone growth. Bone loss is slow and so is rebuilding. Meds are designed to either stop the loss or build new bone. The bone may be denser but not always stronger.

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@csday Yes! Denser but not always stronger. The reason I never started on the medications was this and of course possible adverse side effects but now it seems that my bone density is so bad I have no other option I'll look into Echolight scan and Osteogenic loading equipment and then have to make the "terrible choice" re meds. Thank you.

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@rubyz

@csday Yes! Denser but not always stronger. The reason I never started on the medications was this and of course possible adverse side effects but now it seems that my bone density is so bad I have no other option I'll look into Echolight scan and Osteogenic loading equipment and then have to make the "terrible choice" re meds. Thank you.

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Biphosphonates and Prolia do make make bones denser but not stronger over a period of time (used to be 5 years). However, this is not true for Forteo and Tymlos, which grow new bone without suppressing the turnover that ensures quality. I just want to make sure people have the right information.

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@windyshores

Biphosphonates and Prolia do make make bones denser but not stronger over a period of time (used to be 5 years). However, this is not true for Forteo and Tymlos, which grow new bone without suppressing the turnover that ensures quality. I just want to make sure people have the right information.

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Correct, thank you for adding that.

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I have a question… I have already had ACDF neck surgery, I have spinal stenosis which has been partially corrected. I am bone on bone bilaterally in both shoulders. I am in pain everyday. I cannot have shoulder replacement surgery for a while. Are there any alternatives to ease the pain. I get dry, needling, but I only use Tylenol. Any ideas 💡 would be welcomed.

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@calygirl84

I have a question… I have already had ACDF neck surgery, I have spinal stenosis which has been partially corrected. I am bone on bone bilaterally in both shoulders. I am in pain everyday. I cannot have shoulder replacement surgery for a while. Are there any alternatives to ease the pain. I get dry, needling, but I only use Tylenol. Any ideas 💡 would be welcomed.

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@calygirl84, I recommend you follow the discussions in the Spine Health group here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/spine-health/

There are many discussions about ACDF surgery and spinal stenosis. You might start by posting your question to this discussion:
- Still having issues 4 months post op ACDF C4-C6 https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/still-having-issues-4-months-post-op-acdf-c4-c6/

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New to site. I have non-Hodgkin's peripheral T-cell lymphoma, anaplastic large cell, alk-. I also have osteoporosis, -2.9. I am fearful of taking osteo meds and of not taking them. Anyone with this cancer tried osteo drugs that worked/didn't work? Any suggestions of other things to do that do not have possible side effects. Thanks for any help.

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@janicepearl

New to site. I have non-Hodgkin's peripheral T-cell lymphoma, anaplastic large cell, alk-. I also have osteoporosis, -2.9. I am fearful of taking osteo meds and of not taking them. Anyone with this cancer tried osteo drugs that worked/didn't work? Any suggestions of other things to do that do not have possible side effects. Thanks for any help.

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I have follicular lymphoma, in remission. Chemo was much less problematic than 3 vertebral fractures, the first 8 months ago. I did not fall, just fractured lying down on bed.I was afraid of osteoporosis meds, partially because of mixed messages from physicians. Bones are -3. Evenity is hard on heart so they will begin Forteo.

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Hi @janicepearl and @lee59, great that the two of you have connected. I can understand your hesitancy about starting on osteoporosis medications after having gone through treatment for lymphoma.

Lee, vertebral fractures are serious. That must have been such a surprise and scary to fracture your spine by merely lying down. When will you begin Forteo?

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@janicepearl

New to site. I have non-Hodgkin's peripheral T-cell lymphoma, anaplastic large cell, alk-. I also have osteoporosis, -2.9. I am fearful of taking osteo meds and of not taking them. Anyone with this cancer tried osteo drugs that worked/didn't work? Any suggestions of other things to do that do not have possible side effects. Thanks for any help.

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My best friend took them did him no good and lots of awful side effects All these meds are not too good and have some kind of side effect check with a 2nd opinion for yourself he did something is out there better for all of us check wish I had all the answers take care Barb

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