Does reducing exposure to Mycobacteria ( NTM) work?

Posted by cholash @cholash, Apr 1 10:13am

Ok, I’m sure this will open up a whole hornets nest , but here we go….

I was at a pulmonologist appt yesterday , at a Recognized Bronchiectasis & NTM Center Of Excellence . This was my second appt there.

Both appts when I asked about the risk with MAC in water , etc, the pulmonologist stated there’s no evidence that changing shower heads , drinking water , etc , will keep someone from getting MAC. *She said “ it’s not scientifically proven” . She’s had patients that do all those things and still fight MAC. She’s also had patients that did none of it and they either didn’t get MAC, or were able to get rid of the MAC with standards treatments , and they continued to do fine without starting all the MAC preventions .

Lastly, she said they ( researchers ) still don’t know why some people get MAC and others never do , regardless of any preventative measures . Therefore , if you’re one of the ones to never get MAC, you could be doing all the MAC lowering risk measures for nothing , as you may have not become infected anyway .
She did recommend I wear a mask if gardening.
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This is all new to me. I had a MAC sighting in the first culture I had there last Dec , but this last one it was negative .

Again , she’s at a Center Of Excellence, so this was all surprising to me . Apparently there’s not consensus in the medical community regarding this topic. Sure makes it hard to know how to navigate it all….

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@sueinmn Sue, can you please tell us what kind of mask you wear? N-95 or regular blue mask? I haven't had a need to fly yet since I was diagnosed but I may in the future.

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@linda1334
I am obviously not Sue, but I use 2 kinds of masks depending on the situation: inexpensive KN-95s I stash in every bag and pocket I own, just in case I find myself indoors with others: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QGV3C8N

...and the fancier more expensive IQ Air KN95/FFP2 I use when I know I'm going somewhere high risk, such as my swing dance classes. They're less portable but higher quality: https://www.iqair.com/us/products/air-purifiers/kn95-ffp2-face-mask

I keep baskets of each near my front door so I don't forget them.

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@annagh I’ve heard of your doctor , and recognize that he’s kind of a big deal (!) , for lack of better words .
Thank you so much for sharing . This really helps me to put it all in perspective , and not become obsessed with every perceived danger that comes my way. That’s not living. As a result, I think I’ll be a happier person , which my husband will really appreciate lol.
Do you neb twice daily? I’m great about 1, but not 2. I guess I had better up my game with the saline .

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@cholash I was nebbing twice a day in the beginning, plus walking, which I find very helpful in bringing up mucus. Then in a video I saw Dr. Winthrop say he thinks exercise is more important than a second nebulizing session. So when I had trouble fitting it all in I’d skip the second nebbing session, which didn’t seem to make much (if any) difference. I eventually settled on one session per day.
My CT scans have been relatively stable since my diagnosis in 2022, and MAC only shows up in an occassional sputum sample, so I was on watch and wait. But this year Dr. W looked again at the older scans and said, although it’s slow, there is a decline over time and advised treatment. I’m now on daily azithromycin and ethambutol for a year. Within three weeks my cough was gone and almost no mucus. He said while I’m on treatment I can nebulize every other day, so that’s what I’ve been doing. One day though, I was doing some yard clean-up without a mask. It was dry and a bit breezy and I started coughing, so I came in and nebulized. Going for that ounce of prevention!

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@sueinmn Sue, can you please tell us what kind of mask you wear? N-95 or regular blue mask? I haven't had a need to fly yet since I was diagnosed but I may in the future.

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@linda1334 I use 3M N95 masks, specifically the Aura 9205+, which I buy in quantity for under $1.00 apiece through the official 3M store on Amazon. These are NIOSH certified, comfortable (for a non-vented mask) and affordable. When available, we buy a huge box of 440 individually packaged masks - about a 2 year supply for my husband, friends and me.

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@cholash I started out nebbing 2x daily using an AeroEclipse XL attached to an Aerobika, but when I switched to the Pari eRapid I cut down to just 1x per day. More than that felt like I was stripping my lungs! I use 7% saline, but worked up to it, starting with 3%, then 6%.

I very much appreciate this thread's discussion of prevention via aerosolized saline and airway clearance and masking. Makes me feel less crazy for doing these things when I'm "healthy"! I do them to stay that way.

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@bronchiectasaurus, I wonder when you nebulize once a day, do you get more mucus out when nebulizing? I imagine you would accumulate mucus more by doing so. Or do you do aerobika without nebulizing once a day?

Thanks for sharing.
Ling

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@bronchiectasaurus, I wonder when you nebulize once a day, do you get more mucus out when nebulizing? I imagine you would accumulate mucus more by doing so. Or do you do aerobika without nebulizing once a day?

Thanks for sharing.
Ling

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@wangling The Pari eRapid is more intense than my previous system. It’s possible I produce more sputum with it but I haven’t systematically measured. Using it more than once a day feels like too much. I asked a specialist at an e seminar if it was ever possible to nebulize too much hypertonic saline and she replied yes. I was a little worried my lungs or throat might bleed, they felt so oddly “stripped”. So I cut back to once a day and feel fine. That’s all I know.

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@wangling The Pari eRapid is more intense than my previous system. It’s possible I produce more sputum with it but I haven’t systematically measured. Using it more than once a day feels like too much. I asked a specialist at an e seminar if it was ever possible to nebulize too much hypertonic saline and she replied yes. I was a little worried my lungs or throat might bleed, they felt so oddly “stripped”. So I cut back to once a day and feel fine. That’s all I know.

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@bronchiectasaurus, Thank you so much. I heard people complain that there is 1 lm of saline left by using eflow. Is that the same case with you? Are you able to breathe in all the 4 lm?
I also want to buy one to save time.

Thanks again.
Ling

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This is great information, thanks for sharing .

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