Does reducing exposure to Mycobacteria ( NTM) work?

Posted by cholash @cholash, Apr 1 10:13am

Ok, I’m sure this will open up a whole hornets nest , but here we go….

I was at a pulmonologist appt yesterday , at a Recognized Bronchiectasis & NTM Center Of Excellence . This was my second appt there.

Both appts when I asked about the risk with MAC in water , etc, the pulmonologist stated there’s no evidence that changing shower heads , drinking water , etc , will keep someone from getting MAC. *She said “ it’s not scientifically proven” . She’s had patients that do all those things and still fight MAC. She’s also had patients that did none of it and they either didn’t get MAC, or were able to get rid of the MAC with standards treatments , and they continued to do fine without starting all the MAC preventions .

Lastly, she said they ( researchers ) still don’t know why some people get MAC and others never do , regardless of any preventative measures . Therefore , if you’re one of the ones to never get MAC, you could be doing all the MAC lowering risk measures for nothing , as you may have not become infected anyway .
She did recommend I wear a mask if gardening.
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This is all new to me. I had a MAC sighting in the first culture I had there last Dec , but this last one it was negative .

Again , she’s at a Center Of Excellence, so this was all surprising to me . Apparently there’s not consensus in the medical community regarding this topic. Sure makes it hard to know how to navigate it all….

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@jnmy & @cholash Wow, predisposition is a great question, one I have been thinking about lately.
Here is a recent paper (I'm reading it now) on just that issue -
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/tuberculosis/articles/10.3389/ftubr.2025.1735568/full
Do you want to read it too and discuss further (looks lots of good reference studies linked to it)?

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@sueinmn yes! Thanks so much . I like that it’s a recent review .

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@sueinmn Thanks for posting this really interesting article. I’ve read it once, but need to reread a few times before I comment!

There is a lot to digest but it is very insightful and it’s a recent publication.

I have been thinking about some of these questions, but I don’t have a scientific background.. this is so helpful.

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I dont think they actually know where/why some people get MAC - soil/air/water - could be numerous things or a combination of things - just like anything else and any other disease. I do believe I developed mine thru dirt/air from mowing our newly bought home and having alot of dirt/dust around me without wearing a mask. My pulmonary is blaming past lung damage to cigarette smoking when I was in my teens - I blame the last bout of covid that I had as I started having difficulty breathing after I had covid for the 2nd time. but it doesnt matter which it was, as at the end of the day - I had some prior lung damage and then caught MAC.

It was just on our news not long ago about new airborne lung infection (they didnt call it MAC) that was appearing around an area that was being newly developed for a new subdivision and all the earth being moved and particles in the air and warned people about it. (I believe they said the site was somewhere in TX but I could be wrong).

I was just diagnosed with it about 6 months ago - so far I am only inhaling 7% saline in a neb and using an inhaler 2x a day. It's manageable but I still cough and have to clear my throat. Im just not letting this disease define me and living my life as close to what I always have lived it. Good luck everyone!!!

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@rockinkranch I concur with your perspective! This can all take us down a rabbit hole of paranoia and we must not go there. I also at first fretted…was it my pneumonia years ago that caused this? My RSV two years ago? Our plumbing? Finally I decided to do what I can without going crazy about it, and live the best version of my life I can for the time remaining, I’m otherwise a healthy 74 year old.I was newly diagnosed six months ago, on Brinsupri for four months now, and I’m grateful for good care and a game changer drug. Jeanne

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@jnmy And I wonder if getting NTM or not (with BE) has to do with adherence to airway clearance. Many posts I read here, but not all, are from those who were recently diagnosed with BE and MAC at the same time so they did not know about airway clearance. Those diagnosed with BE only are instructed to do airway clearance twice day, and as a result ward off MAC/NTM.

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@scoop When I was diagnosed with BE and MAC last October, My Pulmonologist, a BE specialist, spent almost two hours educating me and answering questions. There is nothing he emphasized more in a continuous manner than Air Clearance twice a day, every day for the rest of my life. Even when I felt great. Jeanne

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@cholash Yes, masking helps with most respiratory illnesses, even MAC, I believe. But for me, every respiratory illness raises the real possibility of an exacerbation, which can cause weeks of poor health, and especially, set off my coughing again.
I cannot accept that 200+ people in a crowded waiting area and jetway, then in a long skinny tube, breathing, coughing, and sneezing, are not a risk - I keep my mask on except when eating or drinking. Besides, we don't always know how well the ventilation system is working. I flew thousands of miles last fall, including 4 flights in 5 days, and managed to not catch anything. Back in my working days, when I flew almost weekly, I caught a cold or other "bug" on about every third or fourth flight - and that was years before my Bronchiectasis was diagnosed.

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@sueinmn
You mentioned that “ Yes, masking helps with most respiratory illnesses, even MAC, I believe. “

I thought I had read that MAC was not contagious as a respiratory disease?

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@sueinmn
You mentioned that “ Yes, masking helps with most respiratory illnesses, even MAC, I believe. “

I thought I had read that MAC was not contagious as a respiratory disease?

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@jnmy A large enough aerosol concentration of MAC (such as from soil particles or water vapor) can be infectious when inhaled in quantity to vulnerable individuals. That is different from being contagious, which means being passed from person to person via close contact.

So I wear a mask in crowds to prevent getting contagious diseases/viruses that can affect my lungs. I wear a mask when gardening and in very dusty situations to avoid overexposure to NTM particles.

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@jnmy all great questions and above my pay grade. Maybe others have seen studies?

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@cholash Yes, questions above my pay grade, too, but I will offer this opinion expressed by my ID doctor who has conducted a lot of studies (Kevin Winthrop of OHSU). When I asked about drinking water, brushing my teeth, showering and such, he said (paraphrasing), “That’s what the nebulizing saline and airway clearance are for. The bacteria is everywhere and going to get in there, but by doing those things you help prevent their taking hold and establishing an infection. Drink the water, take short showers in a well ventilated room, wear a mask when gardening, wet the soil to keep the dust down, and have somebody else empty bags of amendments when you’re not around. Then be sure to nebulize and clear the airways to prevent the bacteria from taking up residence.” My life stall doesn’t involve large crowds or close quarters, but if it did I would mask. I already have MAC, so I can’t be sure I’ve prevented anything, but it hasn’t grown significantly. The only exacerbation I’ve had (untreated) was the result of a sinus infection. I’d say I’m moderate in the precautions I take, but faithful to the prevention part.

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@cholash Yes, questions above my pay grade, too, but I will offer this opinion expressed by my ID doctor who has conducted a lot of studies (Kevin Winthrop of OHSU). When I asked about drinking water, brushing my teeth, showering and such, he said (paraphrasing), “That’s what the nebulizing saline and airway clearance are for. The bacteria is everywhere and going to get in there, but by doing those things you help prevent their taking hold and establishing an infection. Drink the water, take short showers in a well ventilated room, wear a mask when gardening, wet the soil to keep the dust down, and have somebody else empty bags of amendments when you’re not around. Then be sure to nebulize and clear the airways to prevent the bacteria from taking up residence.” My life stall doesn’t involve large crowds or close quarters, but if it did I would mask. I already have MAC, so I can’t be sure I’ve prevented anything, but it hasn’t grown significantly. The only exacerbation I’ve had (untreated) was the result of a sinus infection. I’d say I’m moderate in the precautions I take, but faithful to the prevention part.

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@annagh I’ve heard of your doctor , and recognize that he’s kind of a big deal (!) , for lack of better words .
Thank you so much for sharing . This really helps me to put it all in perspective , and not become obsessed with every perceived danger that comes my way. That’s not living. As a result, I think I’ll be a happier person , which my husband will really appreciate lol.
Do you neb twice daily? I’m great about 1, but not 2. I guess I had better up my game with the saline .

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@cholash Yes, masking helps with most respiratory illnesses, even MAC, I believe. But for me, every respiratory illness raises the real possibility of an exacerbation, which can cause weeks of poor health, and especially, set off my coughing again.
I cannot accept that 200+ people in a crowded waiting area and jetway, then in a long skinny tube, breathing, coughing, and sneezing, are not a risk - I keep my mask on except when eating or drinking. Besides, we don't always know how well the ventilation system is working. I flew thousands of miles last fall, including 4 flights in 5 days, and managed to not catch anything. Back in my working days, when I flew almost weekly, I caught a cold or other "bug" on about every third or fourth flight - and that was years before my Bronchiectasis was diagnosed.

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@sueinmn Sue, can you please tell us what kind of mask you wear? N-95 or regular blue mask? I haven't had a need to fly yet since I was diagnosed but I may in the future.

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@annagh I’ve heard of your doctor , and recognize that he’s kind of a big deal (!) , for lack of better words .
Thank you so much for sharing . This really helps me to put it all in perspective , and not become obsessed with every perceived danger that comes my way. That’s not living. As a result, I think I’ll be a happier person , which my husband will really appreciate lol.
Do you neb twice daily? I’m great about 1, but not 2. I guess I had better up my game with the saline .

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@cholash I started out nebbing 2x daily using an AeroEclipse XL attached to an Aerobika, but when I switched to the Pari eRapid I cut down to just 1x per day. More than that felt like I was stripping my lungs! I use 7% saline, but worked up to it, starting with 3%, then 6%.

I very much appreciate this thread's discussion of prevention via aerosolized saline and airway clearance and masking. Makes me feel less crazy for doing these things when I'm "healthy"! I do them to stay that way.

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