COVID-19 and MAC: What are you doing differently to protect yourself?

Posted by kathyhg @kathyhg, Thu, Feb 27 8:33am

Is anyone doing anything differently to protect themselves now that we are facing the reality of covid-19?

@alleycatkate So much great reading out there for us to reflect upon. Thank you. irene5

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@lorifilipek

Hi all, a friend just sent me a link to an article by the epidemiologist Michael Osterholm on the effectiveness, or more importantly, ineffectiveness of wearing cloth masks. Distancing remains the best protection: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/downloads/special_episode_masks_6.2.20_0.pdf

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@lorifilipek I have known Dr Osterholm and his work for over 40 years and his interviews are always a hard read because he gives so much background before he gets to the issue at hand, but I read the whole thing. I agree that distance remains the best protection, that the effectiveness of masks alone is limited, and also with his dismay at the lack of scientific support for much of what is being released as "gospel" during this pandemic – especially by CDC and those charged with informing us.

All that said, I still wear masks as part of my Covid-19 safety practices, not as an exclusive preventive measure, because every "layer" of protection I can add will help protect me and my community. This decision is based on the increasing bodies of scientific evidence that the virus is mainly spread through respiratory droplets and that the amount of viral load (determined by exposure time & closeness) contributes to the likelihood of infection. But my safety practices also include distance, hygiene, and limiting exposure to locations where there is greater opportunity for infection.

Repeatedly, my posts have included "stay tuned for further developments" – I hope someone is studying this matter, and we will have conclusive science-based knowledge, one way or the other, in the future.

Sue

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Hi all, thanks for your replies on a VERY long article! 🙂 I agree with you all that every little bit helps. I'll also continue to wear a mask, but be much more cautious about distancing.

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@alleycatkate

@lorifilipek Hi and thanks for the informative article…It was very comprehensive. I was charmed by his closing quote from Christopher Robin… "You're braver than you believe and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think."….."Be safe, be kind." It took me 30 pages to realize this is the same author that I posted on FB two days ago with Straight Talk on Covid-19. It, too, was an excellent article and thankfully it seems he did not drink as much coffee before he wrote it. haha. Stay safe!! Kate For your reading enjoyment:
https://www.bluezones.com/2020/06/covid-19-straight-answers-from-top-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/

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@alleycatkate Hi Kate, I'll read the (I hope) shorter article you just posted. Thanks and Stay safe yourself! Lori

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@alleycatkate

@lorifilipek Hi and thanks for the informative article…It was very comprehensive. I was charmed by his closing quote from Christopher Robin… "You're braver than you believe and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think."….."Be safe, be kind." It took me 30 pages to realize this is the same author that I posted on FB two days ago with Straight Talk on Covid-19. It, too, was an excellent article and thankfully it seems he did not drink as much coffee before he wrote it. haha. Stay safe!! Kate For your reading enjoyment:
https://www.bluezones.com/2020/06/covid-19-straight-answers-from-top-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/

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Thanks for the posted link. Didn't sound very encouraging in this virus epidemic.

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Hi again All, masks can help if people talk to each other. I just read this article in Forbes that states, in part: "A new study, however, shows how long speech-generated droplets can linger in the air: not cough- or sneeze-generated droplets, but plain old conversation level emissions. …they can stay airborne for anywhere between eight and 14 minutes." Droplets are much larger than aerosols, and can be stopped by masks. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2020/05/17/need-proof-that-masks-protect-against-covid-19-study-finds-speech-droplets-can-stay-airborne-for-minutes/#272eb7ab708c

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The link to the speech study referenced in the Forbe article above is https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117#F2
A more recent Forbes article (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2020/06/13/face-masks-may-be-the-key-determinant-of-the-covid-19-curve-study-suggests/#100d20006497) lists an epidemiological study that also suggests masks are an important part of mitigation. Here’s the link to that study, published on June 11: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117#F2

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@migizii I am trying to learn about what safety measures one should take if you are 65 with bronchiectasis? So far, the only response from my pulmonologist is to follow the CDC guidelines……no one has posted here since mid June and the country appears to be surging once again, but without the measures that were initially taken. Does anyone have specific ideas? My husband, son and his girlfriend all work in the community daily and I have been furloughed since March but will probably be asked to return to a school environment next month.

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@migizii – The initial recommendations still hold – wear mask, don’t touch your face, wash hands often, use hand sanitizer, keep your distance, avoid crowds in stores too. It is very stressful just leaving the house. I also wear disposable gloves when I shop and fill your gas tank.

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@astaingegerdm

@migizii – The initial recommendations still hold – wear mask, don’t touch your face, wash hands often, use hand sanitizer, keep your distance, avoid crowds in stores too. It is very stressful just leaving the house. I also wear disposable gloves when I shop and fill your gas tank.

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@migizii and @astaingegerdm, Good question, Migizii. Because of asthma and chronic bronchitis, my pulmonologist advised that I'd need to follow recommended safety precautions more closely than most because of my virus vulnerability. Self-quarantined since March, I live alone and have had groceries home delivered. Just made my 1st instore trip 7/4th for household supplies.

In addition to what Ingegerd posted, I wore a hat, eyeglasses, long sleeves, socks and slacks. A store employee, wearing a mask, got too close, wet coughed and sneezed. Once home, I stripped, gargled with Listerine, used Pataday for my eyes and Alkalol, a nasal rinse with alcohol (all otc) before showering and shampooing.

As Ingegerd posted, venturing out into the world was very stressful for me. I experienced unusual fatigue later caused by anxiety of what it would be like because people in TX have been incredibly lax from the start in adhering to infectious disease experts' guidelines.

As a career educator now retired but with grandchildren waiting for public school reopening guidelines, we have been very concerned and still waiting to hear what their school district options will be.

My heart is with you and all who will be directly affected by whatever decisions are made regarding our schools' re-openings. Just thinking about this and wondering if you might ask your doc about any additional immune boosters that could be prescribed or recommended?

I wonder if one option for you might be to contact your district to ask if there will be special provisions made for staff with compromised respiratory issues and if a statement from your physician attesting to your increased vulnerability might be possible? Not pretending to advise but just wondering about the possibility? Sincerely hope you will let us know what you learn and how things go for you going forward.

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Lots of excellent advice here! I try to get everything delivered or do curbside. For most of my shopping, I have to say that Walmart has a very good online service and some cities offer delivery. Besides groceries you can get household items, as well as lawn and garden, drug store needs, just about anything. Their free app is downloadable and works extremely well. There are several places that have curbside shopping and, depending on their app, it can be a good and stress free option. I still put all my groceries on a "dirty" table in my garage and wipe everything down with my homemade alcohol wipes and put the cleaned items on the "clean" table. Whatever can stay outside in the garage I will leave until the following day. Remember, to wipe down your frozen items, too. A virus can live up to 2 years in the freezer. ( The Mayo Clinic was very thorough in teaching me how to clean groceries, sundries, etc. before I cared for my sister who was undergoing stem cell transplant.) As long as there is no vaccine for this Covid-19, we are vulnerable. Stay the course, stay safe.

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@migizii It seems most of us with bronchiectasis have other risks as well, either age or other ailments. Like @astaingegerdm said, my pulmonologist and primary said to follow the CDC guidelines. My primary, also with a gerontology specialty, added "but don't make yourself and everyone else crazy."

We have VERY gradually widened our activities – specifically, seeing other careful friends and family in outdoor, small group settings. We frequent a few select local stores that take good precautions, but order the bulk of our groceries on-line for curbside pickup. Yesterday, for the first time in 4 1/2 months we ate at a restaurant! Outdoor patio, very well spread out tables, staff masked, disposable menus, they sanitize tables & chairs between customers – we felt very safe & it was lovely!

My daughter is a school nurse with two small sons, and hopes not to be in school this Fall, but if she is we have already agreed we will have to go back to distanced visits – because they & we have been isolated for months, we had gradually loosened our protocol to allow masked outdoor visits, including quick hugs and play dates, so I would be very sad…

Sue

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@sueinmn

@migizii It seems most of us with bronchiectasis have other risks as well, either age or other ailments. Like @astaingegerdm said, my pulmonologist and primary said to follow the CDC guidelines. My primary, also with a gerontology specialty, added "but don't make yourself and everyone else crazy."

We have VERY gradually widened our activities – specifically, seeing other careful friends and family in outdoor, small group settings. We frequent a few select local stores that take good precautions, but order the bulk of our groceries on-line for curbside pickup. Yesterday, for the first time in 4 1/2 months we ate at a restaurant! Outdoor patio, very well spread out tables, staff masked, disposable menus, they sanitize tables & chairs between customers – we felt very safe & it was lovely!

My daughter is a school nurse with two small sons, and hopes not to be in school this Fall, but if she is we have already agreed we will have to go back to distanced visits – because they & we have been isolated for months, we had gradually loosened our protocol to allow masked outdoor visits, including quick hugs and play dates, so I would be very sad…

Sue

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I also saw my Grandkids for the first time since Christmas last week. They have been excellent at staying home and their parents have been working from home. They were here for a week. They went home and to soccer practice for the first time. They were immediately exposed and now are in self isolation for 14 days. I too get together with a small group of like minded friends in a socially distanced manner. I had to tell my cousins I would not meet them for lunch because they do not wear masks. I also told another friend I would not meet them at an outdoor restaurant because the servers do not wear masks. I live in Illinois where it is a little stricter but I’m on the border with Iowa. Iowa is pretty open.

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Thank you for reinforcing my own sentiments.

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@fiesty76

@migizii and @astaingegerdm, Good question, Migizii. Because of asthma and chronic bronchitis, my pulmonologist advised that I'd need to follow recommended safety precautions more closely than most because of my virus vulnerability. Self-quarantined since March, I live alone and have had groceries home delivered. Just made my 1st instore trip 7/4th for household supplies.

In addition to what Ingegerd posted, I wore a hat, eyeglasses, long sleeves, socks and slacks. A store employee, wearing a mask, got too close, wet coughed and sneezed. Once home, I stripped, gargled with Listerine, used Pataday for my eyes and Alkalol, a nasal rinse with alcohol (all otc) before showering and shampooing.

As Ingegerd posted, venturing out into the world was very stressful for me. I experienced unusual fatigue later caused by anxiety of what it would be like because people in TX have been incredibly lax from the start in adhering to infectious disease experts' guidelines.

As a career educator now retired but with grandchildren waiting for public school reopening guidelines, we have been very concerned and still waiting to hear what their school district options will be.

My heart is with you and all who will be directly affected by whatever decisions are made regarding our schools' re-openings. Just thinking about this and wondering if you might ask your doc about any additional immune boosters that could be prescribed or recommended?

I wonder if one option for you might be to contact your district to ask if there will be special provisions made for staff with compromised respiratory issues and if a statement from your physician attesting to your increased vulnerability might be possible? Not pretending to advise but just wondering about the possibility? Sincerely hope you will let us know what you learn and how things go for you going forward.

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@fiesty76 I'm also concerned about my grandson and school my son did talk with the principal as he is college educated I know they will consider all ,risk and CDC guidelines in his school It's a private school so am anxious .Did you see a man 30 yrs old attempted a Covid party in TX and has died

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