Other causes of failed PEth test for alcohol abuse?

Posted by gjones1956 @gjones1956, Nov 14, 2017

My daughter undergoes periodic peth testing for alchohol abuse. She fails regularly, although swears she drinks NOTHING. We have reason to believe she is telling the truth. Assuming she is indeed not drinking, is there a physical condition or ailment that might produce positive peth tests? She is 29, has enlarged lymph nodes, some kind of mysterious condition that gives her severe hives, etc. We are wondering if some type of autoinflammation or autoimmune condition might explain elevated levels. Our daughter is FINALLY discussing this with her regular doctor but if it is some unusual condition a specialist will be needed. The reason the peth test is required is due to a nasty custody dispute with lots of allegations of misconduct. I just want to know if there is ANYTHING other than alchohol consumption that can lead to positive test results. Any thoughts or knowledge of cases? Thanks for reading.

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@oledocfarmer

Very good advice. Whenever my program does a PEth, I go to requestatest.com and order a LabCorp test the same day.

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Have you had any failures since starting this process? If you have would appreciate a PM.

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I believe something is wrong with the finger stick test, a 20 step procedure to obtain the sample.
Also I was diagnosed with bacterial overgrowth. Leaky gut. Methane breath test confirmed it. That can also effect the resuls. My hair follicle tests were Negative, my mail tests negative, my venous draws were also negative.
I am an RN who sought help, no problems with work, no DUIs, . The nursing board handed down a years worth of testing. I had 3 " positive " tests. My treatment center uses a local owned lab . I wonder about this " middle man lab". Back in May of 2019, another " middle man lab", in or around Dothan, Alabama was found guilty of changing drug test results. They had a contract with the state of Alabama or maybe that county's DHS. When there were positive tests, well more drug tests, ( more money in their pockets) occurred. These tampered results cost more than money, it cost families. Children were removed from their home. I am cash poor so to speak. My word against theirs. I don't have the money to go after that middle man lab. I have had no problems with Lab Corp or Affinity Labs.

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@pethmadness

See my previous more detailed posts but I would definitely take more than one test from different labs moving forward. Guessing you failed the fingerpick test from USDTL (test lab not necessarily who you took it with)? If so I would go somewhere that does the labcorp version (request a test being one). I would take both every time I was ask to test going forward.

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I wouldn't do another finger stick PEth test unless I had a venous draw done On the same day. I did that before. I went thru request a test who used labcorp.
If you have to have the finger stick tset, make sure all steps are followed. Inspect the packaging of the test. Make sure they don't use alcohol wipes and that if they use hand sanitizer before putting gloves on, that their hands are dry

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@sdambek

Hi I’m a physician in recovery. I completed a five year contract with my state for monitoring and now I voluntarily continue monitoring. In the past 6 years of sobriety I have had 2 PEth tests come back positive and I’m at a complete loss to understand how that is possible. I chew sugar free gum and drink diet sodas so I’m wondering if the “sugar alcohols “ can play a part? So much of the literature accepts the results of this test as true, but I know for sure in my case that it is wrong. Anyone have thoughts?

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Possibly leaky gut. Bacteria overgrowth

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H everyone!

I do know that Georgia Board of Nursing is now as of November 2019; has added to the testing of impaired nurses, and it doesn't matter if they don't have an alcohol problem or not. They are now handing down PEth testing for 2 years, along with hair follicle tests which are quarterly and urine drug screens too. Now with that being said, the peer assistance program makes us take 24 urine screens a year. Including the monthly PEth tests. So I am not sure if they don't trust the PEth tests or if they just want us so poor .
PEth tests are $130 to $176
Hair $85- 150
Urine $42.50- $ 58.50.
Weekly meetings $25-30
Monthly lab fees. $50.
So roughly it's $400 a month, none of which can be billed against insurance.
I am passionate about this. I had false positives and then they were adding more tests and another psych exam which was more money.
It is a soapbox of mine

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Thanks to what I’m learning here and able to advise others, and from what they read here…

Just watched real time where a THIRD person has a pos dried blood spot test of 59 on Friday, and a negative meaning less than 20 whole blood peth on Monday…

It appears as though Delta airlines has quit using dried blood spot peth tests… waiting for confirmation. If anyone knows of other organizations that have discontinued DBS peth, that would be useful.

It’s all bad, but possibly a step in the right direction.

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@genie862017

H everyone!

I do know that Georgia Board of Nursing is now as of November 2019; has added to the testing of impaired nurses, and it doesn't matter if they don't have an alcohol problem or not. They are now handing down PEth testing for 2 years, along with hair follicle tests which are quarterly and urine drug screens too. Now with that being said, the peer assistance program makes us take 24 urine screens a year. Including the monthly PEth tests. So I am not sure if they don't trust the PEth tests or if they just want us so poor .
PEth tests are $130 to $176
Hair $85- 150
Urine $42.50- $ 58.50.
Weekly meetings $25-30
Monthly lab fees. $50.
So roughly it's $400 a month, none of which can be billed against insurance.
I am passionate about this. I had false positives and then they were adding more tests and another psych exam which was more money.
It is a soapbox of mine

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Omg… that’s awful!

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@fairlaneowner

The morning after that evening’s surprise test, I took my own back-up test at another testing facility nearby. The sample went to the same lab (USDTL) at the surprise test for analysis. Results: negative! How can that be? How can I test positive from one tester and negative at another, within hours? The PEth test is a 2-3 week look-back. So far, Forensic DNA & Testing has shown me positive three times, where every other tester results came back negative. All of it with no alcohol consumption at all. Something isn’t right. I also recently did a fingernail EtG which came back negative, which I was told looks back 6 months. Currently I cannot see my kids because of Forensic DNA & Testing PEth Test positive results. I’m working hard to vindicate myself, included getting a toxicologist to review all the results & speak on my behalf as not drinking.

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I just found myself in similar shoes and would love to hear some advice and your outcome..

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@meframpton

I just found myself in similar shoes and would love to hear some advice and your outcome..

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Talk to us @meframpton… need some details.

Outcomes vary still. What you’re really fighting is a paradigm predicated on lack of self confidence that then places responsibility for determining if you ever drank on a lifeless blameless test.

The test has problems. We still don’t know precisely what they are. Collecting details here is starting to reveal patterns. Would like to know minute details of your situation before introducing bias.

Private message me if you’d like to talk.

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Help!! I am losing custody of my two kids because I have failed two PETH tests. I have not had anything to drink for 8 weeks. My first test results were at 23ng with the cutoff at 20ng. The moment I got my result I realized it was wrong and went somewhere else and tested again. My second test came back positive at an even higher level of 40ng. How is that even possible? Both tests went to USDTL for testing. Something is seriously wrong with this test. It is going to effect me greatly with my kids and I’ve done nothing wrong. How many other people out there has this effected? How many more before action is taken? I never had a drinking problem and this is all from a claim from my ex wife. I’ve spent $24,000 battling her in court. I don’t have anything left to defend myself anymore and who gets hurt from this the most? My kids! I was the stay at home parent for them and now I can’t see them unless it’s supervised. All because of the PETH test. The court wants me to test negative but how is that possible when I’m testing positive with no alcohol. One more negative test and themJudge won’t even hear my case for over a year. This is wrong! Our system is broken! Does anyone know of anyone or group working on a lawsuit with this test at all? I am out of options since now I’m broke and one more negative test and I’ll lose my kids for over a year. I ask all that who read this to be aware! This can happen to anyone! This test is beyond a joke and the medical field should be embarrassed that this continues.

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I would start with reading the posts from toolsd, myself, and fairlane. Will give you a pretty good idea of how bad this test is.

When you took the second test was it also with USDTL? If you read my other posts you will see why you really should be taking another test with Labcorp as the backend. Without a second test to dispute USDTL you are going to have problems. Even with it, you will likely still have problems. Especially if you have anything against you other than these tests. The court is pre-disposed to treat you as a liar. They believe these tests no matter how bad they are.

Toolsd and I have a lot of data showing the tests are questionable. I wish we had more same day tests with conflicting results. We have conflicts same day at USDTL different testing facilities and same day conflicts with USDTL and Labcorp and other sources. But I will warn you unless you have a lot of cash to fight good luck getting a court to pay attention to you (at least that was my wife’s experience). You are unfortunately a new member of the USDTL victims club. If you want to PM me an email or phone number I might be able to make some suggestions (especially if your problems are in DFW). I suspect toolsd will reach out as well.

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I really want to hear more about autoimmune disorders and PETH. I have been sick with something most of my life, and no docs seems to care enough to pursue it (like it is all in my head). Then I had ALF (acute sudden liver failure) with no diagnosis as to what happened… my liver just died. So now I have even worse autoimmune responses, sore throat, folliculitis, RLS, …but they just seemed focused on the liver and how it is now and not on anything else. Then this past year, they gave me a PETH test with my yearly blood work of "Everything", and it was over 100… like 123. Really? I have maybe one or two craft beers every two or three months. I have two kids, 3 dogs, a husband and a job. If I was drinking enough to have a PETH that high, I would not be functioning. They said, they would check it again at the next physical. sheesh…. it will probably still be high since they didn't take into consideration that it could be ANYTHING else.

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Wow… lots of new cases THIS WEEK.

Please reach out to us via PM, we can offer some advice.

The simplest is like said, refuse a dried blood spot test and take a whole blood version. Not perfect, but clearly better.

Insofar as peth and autoimmune, I got nothing. No ideas, have read no research. Are whole blood peths coming back positive as well? If so, that’s a valuable data point and something I will ask my hired experts when I can.

Honestly, I haven’t found anyone who really knows this test that well yet.

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