Other causes of failed PEth test for alcohol abuse?

Posted by gjones1956 @gjones1956, Nov 14, 2017

My daughter undergoes periodic peth testing for alchohol abuse. She fails regularly, although swears she drinks NOTHING. We have reason to believe she is telling the truth. Assuming she is indeed not drinking, is there a physical condition or ailment that might produce positive peth tests? She is 29, has enlarged lymph nodes, some kind of mysterious condition that gives her severe hives, etc. We are wondering if some type of autoinflammation or autoimmune condition might explain elevated levels. Our daughter is FINALLY discussing this with her regular doctor but if it is some unusual condition a specialist will be needed. The reason the peth test is required is due to a nasty custody dispute with lots of allegations of misconduct. I just want to know if there is ANYTHING other than alchohol consumption that can lead to positive test results. Any thoughts or knowledge of cases? Thanks for reading.

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@pethmadness

I would start with reading the posts from toolsd, myself, and fairlane. Will give you a pretty good idea of how bad this test is.

When you took the second test was it also with USDTL? If you read my other posts you will see why you really should be taking another test with Labcorp as the backend. Without a second test to dispute USDTL you are going to have problems. Even with it, you will likely still have problems. Especially if you have anything against you other than these tests. The court is pre-disposed to treat you as a liar. They believe these tests no matter how bad they are.

Toolsd and I have a lot of data showing the tests are questionable. I wish we had more same day tests with conflicting results. We have conflicts same day at USDTL different testing facilities and same day conflicts with USDTL and Labcorp and other sources. But I will warn you unless you have a lot of cash to fight good luck getting a court to pay attention to you (at least that was my wife’s experience). You are unfortunately a new member of the USDTL victims club. If you want to PM me an email or phone number I might be able to make some suggestions (especially if your problems are in DFW). I suspect toolsd will reach out as well.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235200781930099X
Please take a look at this article….see how much a single application of ethanol-based hand sanitizer raises the PEth! It’s insane….but I think explains a lot of this mystery. Note too that the study participants self-reported as tea-totalers had HIGH PEth levels (in the 60s).

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We really need to get the word out on this article. I strangely only heard about it today.

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@oledocfarmer

We really need to get the word out on this article. I strangely only heard about it today.

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Oh, the airlines are telling pilots in the HIMS programs to not worry about it, can’t happen, AFTER BEING SHOWN THIS ARTICLE.

We are dealing with people who believe PETH is a truth serum. And given they are THAT gullible, this article really means nothing to them. Dibs on selling them alchemy processes…

A woman who OWNS a monitoring company has actually done this herself, and tells pilots to not worry about it… How do we know? SHE TOLD US SHE DID!!

We need to figure out how people finally came to realize the earth isn’t flat. So it isn’t impossible, but could take A THOUSAND YEARS.

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If there is any possible "good thing" to come with the current COVID issue – there are tons of people running around using hand sanitizer in bulk. Maybe after the dust settles someone could do an analysis of the data to see that there is a notable spike in people getting railroaded by these (and other) tests. The PETH witch-doctors claim the only exposure that counts is ingest (not that I support this premise) but all the poor people taking other alcohol tests are likely to start having massive failures… as things like ETG tests are very sensitive to such exposure.

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@pethmadness

If there is any possible "good thing" to come with the current COVID issue – there are tons of people running around using hand sanitizer in bulk. Maybe after the dust settles someone could do an analysis of the data to see that there is a notable spike in people getting railroaded by these (and other) tests. The PETH witch-doctors claim the only exposure that counts is ingest (not that I support this premise) but all the poor people taking other alcohol tests are likely to start having massive failures… as things like ETG tests are very sensitive to such exposure.

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I’m hoping that all this hand-sanitizer use will yield enough enough false-positives on EtG AND PEth to put these jokers on the hot seat.

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@brundle

I am looking into this also for a patient that is adamant they have not drank. seems false positives are popping up more with PETH

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Anything new on this matter. I tested positive for peth at 28ng and I've been completely clean and sober for almost 4 years?

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@flyboybray

Anything new on this matter. I tested positive for peth at 28ng and I've been completely clean and sober for almost 4 years?

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There’s a new (2019) French study showing that alcohol-based hand sanitizer not only results in positive EtGs but also positive PEth. That's game-changing.

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@oledocfarmer

There’s a new (2019) French study showing that alcohol-based hand sanitizer not only results in positive EtGs but also positive PEth. That's game-changing.

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How do I get a hold of that study?

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I posted a link on another thread (I think “PEth Madness”). I’ll look for it again.

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Thanks

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I gave that study to my lawyer. See if he can do anything with it. I know the collection site did completely foul up the sampling process. That is the only reason I could be a positive peth. There is nothing I ingested that could account for it. I do not drink. I don't do Nyquil or mouthwash or teeth whitener, etc etc The nurse admitted to never having done a peth dry spot before. He was in and out of the room asking for instruction the whole time. He came back in the room and just dumped everything out on the table. I did not wash my hands. I used an alcohol wipe right before he pricked my finger. One he provided of course. Can't tell you if it was ethol alcohol or isopropyl alcohol or not. I dabbed the card (made physical contact). (Apparently that's a big no no) He put it in the air drying box but he sealed up the sample right away in a plastic bag when he should have let it dry for an hour. Blah Blah Blah I've lost my medical over this. Something needs done about this.

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@flyboybray

I gave that study to my lawyer. See if he can do anything with it. I know the collection site did completely foul up the sampling process. That is the only reason I could be a positive peth. There is nothing I ingested that could account for it. I do not drink. I don't do Nyquil or mouthwash or teeth whitener, etc etc The nurse admitted to never having done a peth dry spot before. He was in and out of the room asking for instruction the whole time. He came back in the room and just dumped everything out on the table. I did not wash my hands. I used an alcohol wipe right before he pricked my finger. One he provided of course. Can't tell you if it was ethol alcohol or isopropyl alcohol or not. I dabbed the card (made physical contact). (Apparently that's a big no no) He put it in the air drying box but he sealed up the sample right away in a plastic bag when he should have let it dry for an hour. Blah Blah Blah I've lost my medical over this. Something needs done about this.

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A lot of testing centers (and other places) have alcohol-based hand sanitizer that will yield a positive PEth. That’s why that study is important,

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@toolsd @flyboybray
In the same position as you two possibly. Been getting PEth(finger prick) tests for over 4 years and just had my first positive ever. I tested at 24ng/mL according to the paperwork from USDTL. I was in complete shock! Within the same day of being notified I went and got tested again: PEth(finger prick) test, Urine ETG and Hair ETG. All three test came back negative. I'm very mindful and experienced, as a donor, in how the test collection is administered, 4+ years of doing this test!

The only thing that has changed for this test was got tested within 2 hours of finishing a trip. I have never gotten tested, by PEth, same day as working. I have seen all the same articles questioning validity of the PEth test vs contamintaion from Ethly Glychol products ie; Hand Sanitizers, disinfectant wipes, etc. I'm being told its impossible to test at a level of 24ng/mL without ingesting it. Times have changed in the past few months with COVID-19. I'm instructed by my employer to use these products (Flight Deck Wipes & Sani-Comm) to clean are workstations. Furthermore when positioning around the system your given Purell Wipes and one time use Purell gel packs. Every public place I go into has Hand Sanitizer. Again instructed to use these from my Employer who gets the imformation and recommendations from the FAA, who cites the CDC in the latest SAFO 20003 publication.

I've been very mindful of what I expose myself to, but at the same time its my responsibility to comply with procedures and guidelines from my employer to protect myself, crew and customers. I know this is going to be an uphill battle. Let me know if either of you need more information.

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@spiffy82

@toolsd @flyboybray
In the same position as you two possibly. Been getting PEth(finger prick) tests for over 4 years and just had my first positive ever. I tested at 24ng/mL according to the paperwork from USDTL. I was in complete shock! Within the same day of being notified I went and got tested again: PEth(finger prick) test, Urine ETG and Hair ETG. All three test came back negative. I'm very mindful and experienced, as a donor, in how the test collection is administered, 4+ years of doing this test!

The only thing that has changed for this test was got tested within 2 hours of finishing a trip. I have never gotten tested, by PEth, same day as working. I have seen all the same articles questioning validity of the PEth test vs contamintaion from Ethly Glychol products ie; Hand Sanitizers, disinfectant wipes, etc. I'm being told its impossible to test at a level of 24ng/mL without ingesting it. Times have changed in the past few months with COVID-19. I'm instructed by my employer to use these products (Flight Deck Wipes & Sani-Comm) to clean are workstations. Furthermore when positioning around the system your given Purell Wipes and one time use Purell gel packs. Every public place I go into has Hand Sanitizer. Again instructed to use these from my Employer who gets the imformation and recommendations from the FAA, who cites the CDC in the latest SAFO 20003 publication.

I've been very mindful of what I expose myself to, but at the same time its my responsibility to comply with procedures and guidelines from my employer to protect myself, crew and customers. I know this is going to be an uphill battle. Let me know if either of you need more information.

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Yes. Would love more information. I’ll send you a private message.

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