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ALTERNATIVES FOR PAIN MANAGEMENT

Posted by @grandmar, Mar 31, 2018

Hello!
I was wondering if anyone tried cryo therapy or medical marijuana for pain management. If you did, how did they/it work?
Thanks
Ronnie (GRANDMAr)

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@dawn_giacabazi

I am curious if any one has tried biofeedback or Reiki? Here is a great link to the Pain Treatment Center Program

https://www.mayoclinic.org/documents/mc1459-02-pdf/doc-20078829eedback

2000 was my first trip to Mayo Clinic Rochester and also where I learned Reiki as a fit of pain control for my broken sternum. I was in a car accident and had many crushed bones. The pain was unbearable but I learned may alternative approaches to deal with my pain. Still today I have chronic pain and muscle waisting amongst many other painful ailments but still take no pain medications to treat my pain. Here is a very condensed explanation of Reiki. One of my most effective techniques is the “Pain Drain” once learned it really becomes natural and extremely effective.

https://dahlc.mayoclinic.org/2015/12/29/9-facts-about-reiki/
Has anyone tried Reiki? Was it successful for you?

Here is a good book I have as well. It is a good read. https://marketplace.mayoclinic.com/

I have definitely learned the pain control is not a “One size fit all”. I have tried a few other alternatives as well. Acupuncture, acupressure, chiropractic treatments, Biofeedback, physical therapy, Aqua therapy, tens unit, electrical stem, nerve blocks, cortisone shots, biofreeze, herbal oils and all had pros and cons.
Dawn

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@dawn_giacabazi I have used several alternative methods for pain relief. Biofeedback, massage, acupuncture, CBD oil, meditation, etc. In my humble opinion, that fits my way of thinking/believing, we are given information about different paths that may lead to lessened pain or discomfort. How we choose to use different methods, and what results might be, is an individual thing. For myself, I attempt anything new with an open mind, and trust there may be relief right around the corner.

@dawn_giacabazi

I am curious if any one has tried biofeedback or Reiki? Here is a great link to the Pain Treatment Center Program

https://www.mayoclinic.org/documents/mc1459-02-pdf/doc-20078829eedback

2000 was my first trip to Mayo Clinic Rochester and also where I learned Reiki as a fit of pain control for my broken sternum. I was in a car accident and had many crushed bones. The pain was unbearable but I learned may alternative approaches to deal with my pain. Still today I have chronic pain and muscle waisting amongst many other painful ailments but still take no pain medications to treat my pain. Here is a very condensed explanation of Reiki. One of my most effective techniques is the “Pain Drain” once learned it really becomes natural and extremely effective.

https://dahlc.mayoclinic.org/2015/12/29/9-facts-about-reiki/
Has anyone tried Reiki? Was it successful for you?

Here is a good book I have as well. It is a good read. https://marketplace.mayoclinic.com/

I have definitely learned the pain control is not a “One size fit all”. I have tried a few other alternatives as well. Acupuncture, acupressure, chiropractic treatments, Biofeedback, physical therapy, Aqua therapy, tens unit, electrical stem, nerve blocks, cortisone shots, biofreeze, herbal oils and all had pros and cons.
Dawn

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@gingerw Your humble opinion is appreciated.

I started using CBD oil for chronic pain in my feet and ankles. Works better than opioids 75% reduction in nerve pain. No side effects I use the Charlottes web brand. Cannot believe I let this sit in the cupboard for 6 months afraid to try.

@lioness

Hi Jim I use alot of Arnica Gel or cream I've tried all kinds of OTC rubs and found this the best.But still at times nothing helps.Besides this Hot shower gives some relief. Arnica ☕ but it works for me but I got scolded so just saying what helps me

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thanks for recommending. I'm going to try it….

My wife has chronic pain issues and primarily takes gabapentin meds for it. Recently she has tried CBD oil as well as CBD cream on the affected areas and she says "………it takes the edge off of the pain but doesn't completely remove it." So it helps. CBD products are expensive (don't know why) but if you can afford them I would give it a try as any help for chronic pain is always goodness.

As for cryo I've been trying to find any doctor who knows about or is willing to use cryo for relief of pain but so far none can be found. From my research cryo was introduced decades ago but the medical industry discounted any advantages of its effectiveness so the technology was stopped. However, new reports have revived cryo and apparently there has been some successes in using it. From what I've read I would try it as the technology behind it seems to make sense.

I believe this is the best most of us with chronic pain can hope for is some relief. For some it depends on the cause of the pain. There are so many types of pain that finding that “magic pill” is a goal that can keep us going and trying to find some relief. I am not looking for a “fix”…Rather “some” relief as more realistic for me. Thank you @bkruppa for helping me think a tad more realistically about controlling pain.

@bkruppa

My wife has chronic pain issues and primarily takes gabapentin meds for it. Recently she has tried CBD oil as well as CBD cream on the affected areas and she says "………it takes the edge off of the pain but doesn't completely remove it." So it helps. CBD products are expensive (don't know why) but if you can afford them I would give it a try as any help for chronic pain is always goodness.

As for cryo I've been trying to find any doctor who knows about or is willing to use cryo for relief of pain but so far none can be found. From my research cryo was introduced decades ago but the medical industry discounted any advantages of its effectiveness so the technology was stopped. However, new reports have revived cryo and apparently there has been some successes in using it. From what I've read I would try it as the technology behind it seems to make sense.

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I have tried CBD, but all it did was making me dizzy and made me feel weird. I didn't like the feeling. I have tried several pain meds which did the same. I can't function while on them. I have had several medial branch injection, and a stimulator, that didn't work either.

What is cryo? I am open to any suggestion that would work. My last pain doctor gave up on me because of my age. I asked him if just because of my age (82) does that mean I have to be in pain all the time? His answer was "yes". I am looking for a new doctor.

@hosta

I have tried CBD, but all it did was making me dizzy and made me feel weird. I didn't like the feeling. I have tried several pain meds which did the same. I can't function while on them. I have had several medial branch injection, and a stimulator, that didn't work either.

What is cryo? I am open to any suggestion that would work. My last pain doctor gave up on me because of my age. I asked him if just because of my age (82) does that mean I have to be in pain all the time? His answer was "yes". I am looking for a new doctor.

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Hi Eve @hosta, I had not heard of cryotherapy before so did a little searching and found some information that may help.

From the FDA – Whole Body Cryotherapy (WBC): A "Cool" Trend that Lacks Evidence, Poses Risks
https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm508739.htm

Harvard Medical School – Cryotherapy: Can it stop your pain cold?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/can-cryotherapy-stop-your-pain-cold-or-is-just-a-lot-of-hot-air-2018041813612

American Academy of Dermatology: Whole body cryotherapy can be hazardous to your skin
https://www.aad.org/public/skin-hair-nails/skin-care/cryotherapy

It would be interesting to hear from members who have tried cryotherapy.

@johnbishop Back on the scene with the old adage of, “if something sounds to good to be true…”. A most interesting and informative post. Thanks again John!

@parus

@johnbishop Back on the scene with the old adage of, “if something sounds to good to be true…”. A most interesting and informative post. Thanks again John!

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@parus you're welcome! I'm always hopeful but have learned what you are saying is normally true so it's buyer beware ☺ It's always good to question something new and to do your own research. I'm hoping there are others who have tried it and may be able to shed some light on cryotherapy for us.

@johnbishop

Hi Eve @hosta, I had not heard of cryotherapy before so did a little searching and found some information that may help.

From the FDA – Whole Body Cryotherapy (WBC): A "Cool" Trend that Lacks Evidence, Poses Risks
https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm508739.htm

Harvard Medical School – Cryotherapy: Can it stop your pain cold?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/can-cryotherapy-stop-your-pain-cold-or-is-just-a-lot-of-hot-air-2018041813612

American Academy of Dermatology: Whole body cryotherapy can be hazardous to your skin
https://www.aad.org/public/skin-hair-nails/skin-care/cryotherapy

It would be interesting to hear from members who have tried cryotherapy.

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Thanks John for the information on Cryotherapy. I don't believe that it sounds like something I would like to try. I don't like to be cold. I just keep praying that the doctors will come up with something that could help, But as some one said "there is not magic pill". I would be interested to try most anything, except being "frozen"!.

@hosta

Thanks John for the information on Cryotherapy. I don't believe that it sounds like something I would like to try. I don't like to be cold. I just keep praying that the doctors will come up with something that could help, But as some one said "there is not magic pill". I would be interested to try most anything, except being "frozen"!.

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I don't remember the details of what I read about cryo but it definitely wasn't about the lowering of the body temperature. It was more like a laser probe but uses freezing instead. It apparently stops the pain sensors from sending signals but does not damage the nerve itself. I'll try to find the article that I read. It was very encouraging.

@knowles

Hi All, heard some wonderful ideas. Most of them I’ve tried, a few I haven’t, and will put on my list to check them out. My problem is, nothing last. A few things have worked extremely well the first time I’ve used them, up to 9 hours of relief on one product, however, the second time: back to the 4 hour time window. I have to be sure I medicate/treat my pain at the first inkling or it gets out of hand really quick and I’m sure we’ve all been there. One thing I’ve notice is that no one has mentioned ESSENTIAL OILS (EO). I’ve had a lot of success using EO, all natural with no side effects. I suggest an App ‘Reference Guide for Essential Oils’ cost $6.99, if you are interested; to educate yourself b4 you start to buy. EO’s can get expensive, but don’t have to if you are educated on which ones work for pain. Even Lavender will work for muscular pain. Thank you for all the ideas. One thing; Acupuncture worked great for me in the beginning. My Acupuncturist took me as far as he could in about 18 months – 2 years and cleared up a host of physical problems and pain I was having. We just could not clear the pain in my lower left leg, ankle, and upper left buttock along the panty line. Not for more than the day I saw him anyway. Once the pain was relieved for 2 days! I was estactic! Worked great for depression. Unblocked all of that. Wish all of you the greatest of success in finding that one thing that cures your pain. Don’t forget to pray, it works!

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I am new here and desperately seeking information about pain relief. I had back surgery in 2001 for severe scoliosis: fused my spine from C7 to L4 and inserted titanium rod held with clamps on my spine. The good news is that I am much better shape than I would have been. I had a wonderful surgeon who gave me a new lease on life for someone that would have been completely hunched and twisted by my age now of 66. However, there is pain that needs to be reckoned with. I will suffice to say that I have tried most EVERYTHING except the spinal stimulator which I came very close to doing. I was working with a Pain Management Group and tried all the so-called topical and oral pain relievers with no success. The only things that worked at all were the ones that make you loopy or addicted which I will not do. I guess the Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation by way of Alpha-Stim or Fisher Wallace Stimulator has been around for awhile but I am just now discovering its existence. It is ironic as one method my physician suggested that I try was an antidepressant as its resulting effect on the brain is to alleviate pain in the body. I refused due to the side effects but then found the CES devices. In my book, this looks to be as effective as the spinal stimulator that you have surgically hooked up to your spine without the surgical permanency.
Has anyone tried either one of those devices that have electrodes that transmit impulses to the brain, mainly for the cessation of depression but with the wonderful side effect of making the brain not think about the pain in the body?

Regarding the spinal simulator we looked into this also. However, after much research and input from some doctors we decided not to have this procedure done. Reasons: was told that 20% of these procedures have to be redone within five years, effectiveness wears off with time, doesn't cure all nerve pain areas, and most important are the possible side effects. You should ask your doctor what these are as I don't want to advise you one way or another but do press your doctor for "ALL" side effects. Some can be serious but I can't tell you what the probabilities are as the developers of these devices won't release this data.

My other question regarding these devices is what is the affect on healthy nerve fibers that are in the same vicinity as the stimulator probe? Are they also affected and in what way? My concern was that if pain signals say from healthy nerves is affected then I would lose the function of these nerves. I was told they are different??? Don't know why this would be. Anyway, do your research and come to your own conclusions as apparently some people have had success with these stimulators. Good luck.

.. I (a 70 yo) have had multiple spinal laminectomies and surgery to alleviate discomfort from spinal stenosis within the past 3 years. I was left with chronic pain (#6) daily. I started using CBD about 5 months ago and my pain decreased to about #3. I am no longer depressed and once again enjoy going out. I have no side effects. It takes time to adjust dose and frequency (currently every 4 hours) but I strongly encourage you to try it. I order oil drops from Amazon and have applied for the appropriate license so I can buy it locally.

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