Transplant: Amoxicillin for dental appointment

Posted by hello1234 @hello1234, Nov 17, 2021

Hi all,
I have an 8am morning dentist appointment next week. The dentist would like me to take 2,000mg amoxicillin one hour before the appointment to prevent infection. Normally at 7am I take my Cellcept and Envarsus XR. What do you do in this instance? Has anyone taken amoxicillin with Cellcept and Envarsus XR? Do you take amoxicillin when you visit your dentist or go for a dental cleaning? Thanks everyone!!

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@hello1234

Hi @cehunt57 😊 Congratulations on your 2005 successful pancreas transplant...that's wonderful! And thank you so much for sharing your dental (antibiotics) experiences with me. It's very helpful to hear other people's experiences.
I am curious, after all of these years after transplant which immune suppression drugs do you currently take? Am I correct in saying that you are cured of diabetes with your new pancreas?

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@hello1234 not everyone thought my pancreas transplant was successful. I was not “cured” of my diabetes and I still am dependent on some insulin. BUT the transplant was like my own personal miracle. I can now keep blood sugar under decent control with very little insulin. The best thing was that I had hypoglycemic unawareness. My blood sugar would drop to dangerously low levels and I couldn’t feel it or correct it. This is gone now. Other complications of diabetes have reversed &/or stabilized. I had diabetic retinopathy that has reversed. I had peripheral neuropathy that reversed. I had autonomic neuropathy that has stabilized. I have CKD (chronic kidney disease) associated with diabetes. It was stabilized for a good 11 years. In the last 5 years my kidney function has started declining again. My transplant anniversary is coming up November 30th (16 years)! I am in pretty good shape for the shape I’m in and I thank God for this. Oh, immune suppression. I started out with Cellcept and Prograf. The team thought the Cellcept was causing anemia. It was changed to Rappamune. Awhile back it was dropped and not replaced with anything. The Prograf was changed to the generic Tacrolimus (1.5 mg in the am and 1 mg in the pm). Thank you for your questions. Ask again if you think of anything else. Blessings on your day.

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@cehunt57

@hello1234 not everyone thought my pancreas transplant was successful. I was not “cured” of my diabetes and I still am dependent on some insulin. BUT the transplant was like my own personal miracle. I can now keep blood sugar under decent control with very little insulin. The best thing was that I had hypoglycemic unawareness. My blood sugar would drop to dangerously low levels and I couldn’t feel it or correct it. This is gone now. Other complications of diabetes have reversed &/or stabilized. I had diabetic retinopathy that has reversed. I had peripheral neuropathy that reversed. I had autonomic neuropathy that has stabilized. I have CKD (chronic kidney disease) associated with diabetes. It was stabilized for a good 11 years. In the last 5 years my kidney function has started declining again. My transplant anniversary is coming up November 30th (16 years)! I am in pretty good shape for the shape I’m in and I thank God for this. Oh, immune suppression. I started out with Cellcept and Prograf. The team thought the Cellcept was causing anemia. It was changed to Rappamune. Awhile back it was dropped and not replaced with anything. The Prograf was changed to the generic Tacrolimus (1.5 mg in the am and 1 mg in the pm). Thank you for your questions. Ask again if you think of anything else. Blessings on your day.

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Hi @cehunt57 😊 After reading your note, I would DEFINITELY call your pancreas transplant a huge success! I am so happy to hear that you are celebrating your SIXTEEN YEAR post-transplant anniversary this month...that is awesome beyond words! I was also pleased to hear about the level of immune suppression drugs you are on. (It sounds like you are barely on anything now!). Your doctors obviously feel comfortable that your match is excellent and you need very little suppression to keep things going....and the bonus is you are no longer anemic as a side effect.
I am one year post kidney transplant and my liver enzymes are slightly elevated since the transplant and starting the meds. I have a liver ultrasound and fibroscan scheduled next Friday to check how my liver is doing and then they'll go from there. I will keep you posted.
Thank you so much @cehunt57 for sharing your wonderful pancreas transplant story!
Was your recovery difficult after your surgery and during your first year? I have heard that pancreas transplant recovery can be more difficult than kidney transplant. Is that true or did you have a fairly easy time the first year?

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@hello1234

Hi @cehunt57 😊 After reading your note, I would DEFINITELY call your pancreas transplant a huge success! I am so happy to hear that you are celebrating your SIXTEEN YEAR post-transplant anniversary this month...that is awesome beyond words! I was also pleased to hear about the level of immune suppression drugs you are on. (It sounds like you are barely on anything now!). Your doctors obviously feel comfortable that your match is excellent and you need very little suppression to keep things going....and the bonus is you are no longer anemic as a side effect.
I am one year post kidney transplant and my liver enzymes are slightly elevated since the transplant and starting the meds. I have a liver ultrasound and fibroscan scheduled next Friday to check how my liver is doing and then they'll go from there. I will keep you posted.
Thank you so much @cehunt57 for sharing your wonderful pancreas transplant story!
Was your recovery difficult after your surgery and during your first year? I have heard that pancreas transplant recovery can be more difficult than kidney transplant. Is that true or did you have a fairly easy time the first year?

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@hello1234 after 16 years some things about the pancreas transplant are hard to remember and some not at all. Initially the transplant was connected to my bladder supposedly for a place for pancreatic enzymes to be drained to and monitored to keep an eye on danger of rejection. These enzymes are digestive enzymes (you can find them in drain cleaners!) and they are corrosive. That was one thing that bothered me about the transplant. That part of the transplant didn’t sound like a good idea to me. (I’ve been told that method is no longer used.) Sure enough those enzymes really bothered my bladder. I started passing big clumps of blood in my urine. My transplant was 11/30/2005. In February or March of 2006 I had another surgery called an enteric conversion. The pancreas was taken out, disconnected from the bladder, everything cleaned out and put back in and reconnected to the colon, lower bowel or intestine (can’t remember the exact anatomy name). That was a tougher surgery than the original transplant. The other difficult thing that first year were the numerous labs and changes in immune suppression meds/doses and antibiotic & antiviral medications that are common early on post transplant. It took a lot of trial (and error) to figure out the right combination. Regarding anemia, it wasn’t concluded then that it was due to the pancreas transplant & immune suppression. I still have anemia that is thought to mainly be due to my CKD (chronic kidney disease). My doctors monitor that and treat as they feel necessary.
I am interested in your kidney transplant story. I have been told by my nephrologist that I will at some point need dialysis &/or kidney transplant. The thought of dialysis bothers me. Transplant does not. I have gone through the pre-transplant evaluation and been approved & accepted for kidney transplant. I got listed on UNOS through Mayo in Rochester. I have been looking for a living donor in the hopes of getting a preemptive transplant. My listing was changed to inactive because I am too healthy for transplant at this time! My GFR has bounced from 14 - 42 over the past 5 years and is currently 30. That is more of my story. Please tell me about yours.

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@hello1234

Good morning @athenalee 😊 Wow, I can always rely on you to thoroughly research any query or question! You are amazing! I never thought about the intricacies of each organ and whether their recipients had a protocol biopsy schedule like mine. As always, your response was a true learning experience for me! I love it! Thank you for the morning gift and have a wonderful day at work. Happy Friday!! 😊

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Thank you @hello1234. I’ve always been big on research, partially due to curiosity and also I’m a definite control freak, so it’s important to know about things that affect one’s life. Transplantation and autoimmune diseases present new opportunities for exploration! And, it is very interesting all of the similarities and differences between the types of transplants.

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@cehunt57

@hello1234 after 16 years some things about the pancreas transplant are hard to remember and some not at all. Initially the transplant was connected to my bladder supposedly for a place for pancreatic enzymes to be drained to and monitored to keep an eye on danger of rejection. These enzymes are digestive enzymes (you can find them in drain cleaners!) and they are corrosive. That was one thing that bothered me about the transplant. That part of the transplant didn’t sound like a good idea to me. (I’ve been told that method is no longer used.) Sure enough those enzymes really bothered my bladder. I started passing big clumps of blood in my urine. My transplant was 11/30/2005. In February or March of 2006 I had another surgery called an enteric conversion. The pancreas was taken out, disconnected from the bladder, everything cleaned out and put back in and reconnected to the colon, lower bowel or intestine (can’t remember the exact anatomy name). That was a tougher surgery than the original transplant. The other difficult thing that first year were the numerous labs and changes in immune suppression meds/doses and antibiotic & antiviral medications that are common early on post transplant. It took a lot of trial (and error) to figure out the right combination. Regarding anemia, it wasn’t concluded then that it was due to the pancreas transplant & immune suppression. I still have anemia that is thought to mainly be due to my CKD (chronic kidney disease). My doctors monitor that and treat as they feel necessary.
I am interested in your kidney transplant story. I have been told by my nephrologist that I will at some point need dialysis &/or kidney transplant. The thought of dialysis bothers me. Transplant does not. I have gone through the pre-transplant evaluation and been approved & accepted for kidney transplant. I got listed on UNOS through Mayo in Rochester. I have been looking for a living donor in the hopes of getting a preemptive transplant. My listing was changed to inactive because I am too healthy for transplant at this time! My GFR has bounced from 14 - 42 over the past 5 years and is currently 30. That is more of my story. Please tell me about yours.

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Hi @cehunt57 😊 It sounds like you really went through a lot that first year! (Especially having to have a second surgery so soon after the first surgery). It's probably a good thing that 16 years later, some of the experience is a blur. All is well that ends well, but when you are going through the trials and tribulations it doesn't feel that great.
My kidney transplant story started when I was a little girl. I had an infection that damaged my kidneys and began my lifetime scarring. My childhood nephrologist told me when I was nine years old that when I was a fifty year old woman I would need a kidney transplant. Well, fast forward.....at 60 years old I needed a transplant. My MIRACLE occurred in July 2020 (during the pandemic). I received a call at 2am from Mayo that they had a match! I thought I was DREAMING. When I arrived at the hospital I had a covid test, my cross match test, all of the other prep tests, and by 2pm I had my new kidney! I still can not believe how blessed I am. I drive my mother to kidney dialysis three times a week and she is there for three hours. Dialysis of course is a lifesaver and she is too old to qualify for a transplant. Dialysis takes a lot out of her so I am very aware of what a gift this transplant is for me.
My first year also had the challenges of trying to get the meds right. Neupogen shots to treat neutropenia and leukopenia, elevated liver enzymes. At the 8 month, I had CMV. My donor was CMV positive and I was CMV negative. After 6 weeks of Valcyte and lowered suppression, the CMV resolved. Since that time, my monthly labs have been pretty reliable and stable... It's WONDERFUL! I highly recommend a kidney transplant at Mayo Clinic. They are an AMAZING team. I tell everyone that the world would be a magical place if everything and everyone could be like the Mayo Clinic. Excellent and Caring. Like you always say, this is my personal miracle story! Love to you

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@hello1234 My orthopedic surgeon wants me to take amoxicillin forever before dental work but my transplant department did not think it was necessary! So I do take it before dental work, 4 amoxicillin an hour before.

I was told by a nurse on my transplant team that you really have an hour leeway before and after your regular time on your immunosuppressants so as @athenalee commented you could do that a bit early and the other a bit late. You could also check with your transplant team to find out if there would be a problem if you took the antibiotic at the same time as your immunosuppressants.
JK

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@contentandwell

@hello1234 My orthopedic surgeon wants me to take amoxicillin forever before dental work but my transplant department did not think it was necessary! So I do take it before dental work, 4 amoxicillin an hour before.

I was told by a nurse on my transplant team that you really have an hour leeway before and after your regular time on your immunosuppressants so as @athenalee commented you could do that a bit early and the other a bit late. You could also check with your transplant team to find out if there would be a problem if you took the antibiotic at the same time as your immunosuppressants.
JK

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Hi @contentandwell JK! 😊 Thanks so much for jumping in to help me! I hope all is well with you!
I called my transplant team and they told me I could take my immune suppression drugs and the 2,000mg amoxicillin at the same time, so that was good news... I think I am going to try to separate them by 30 minutes or so.
Do you have a hip replacement or knee replacement that needs amoxicillin before dental work? I forget which organ you had transplanted, did you have a liver or kidney transplant? Did you have your transplant first and then your orthopedic surgery?

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@hello1234

Hi @cehunt57 😊 It sounds like you really went through a lot that first year! (Especially having to have a second surgery so soon after the first surgery). It's probably a good thing that 16 years later, some of the experience is a blur. All is well that ends well, but when you are going through the trials and tribulations it doesn't feel that great.
My kidney transplant story started when I was a little girl. I had an infection that damaged my kidneys and began my lifetime scarring. My childhood nephrologist told me when I was nine years old that when I was a fifty year old woman I would need a kidney transplant. Well, fast forward.....at 60 years old I needed a transplant. My MIRACLE occurred in July 2020 (during the pandemic). I received a call at 2am from Mayo that they had a match! I thought I was DREAMING. When I arrived at the hospital I had a covid test, my cross match test, all of the other prep tests, and by 2pm I had my new kidney! I still can not believe how blessed I am. I drive my mother to kidney dialysis three times a week and she is there for three hours. Dialysis of course is a lifesaver and she is too old to qualify for a transplant. Dialysis takes a lot out of her so I am very aware of what a gift this transplant is for me.
My first year also had the challenges of trying to get the meds right. Neupogen shots to treat neutropenia and leukopenia, elevated liver enzymes. At the 8 month, I had CMV. My donor was CMV positive and I was CMV negative. After 6 weeks of Valcyte and lowered suppression, the CMV resolved. Since that time, my monthly labs have been pretty reliable and stable... It's WONDERFUL! I highly recommend a kidney transplant at Mayo Clinic. They are an AMAZING team. I tell everyone that the world would be a magical place if everything and everyone could be like the Mayo Clinic. Excellent and Caring. Like you always say, this is my personal miracle story! Love to you

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Wow. Quite the journey @hello1234! Thank you for sharing. I had my transplant at 61 and a month after you…an unnerving time to be in a hospital. But definitely a blessing!

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@athenalee

Wow. Quite the journey @hello1234! Thank you for sharing. I had my transplant at 61 and a month after you…an unnerving time to be in a hospital. But definitely a blessing!

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@athenalee we have so much in common!! 💃 One year post-transplant patients (during a global pandemic)... separated by only one month!! 😊 I forget...did you have your transplant at Mayo or did you have your transplant closer to home?

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@hello1234

@athenalee we have so much in common!! 💃 One year post-transplant patients (during a global pandemic)... separated by only one month!! 😊 I forget...did you have your transplant at Mayo or did you have your transplant closer to home?

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Yes, pandemic memories…being increasingly ill at the start of the pandemic, not being able to see my liver doctor, having my transplant team interviews delayed, then (fortunately!!) started via webinar, ending up in the emergency room multiple times (my support person made me strip in my garage and then walk up the stairs to shower immediately upon return due to Covid fears!), and in the hospital for one month and a week and no visitors…lots of stress upon stress! I kind of grew tired of people complaining they couldn’t go out to restaurants or movies!

Unfortunately no Mayo in my area. I went to Lahey, which is just outside Boston. My team was great. Two female surgeons. I think the follow up lacks the team approach of Mayo, however. Although, I’ve asked to see a rheumatologist at Lahey to help get a more coordinated treatment plan, so I’m hopeful.

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