Too much cold air entering the nostrils

Posted by learningstudent @learningstudent, Apr 16, 2020

Well…Recently I have developed a weird symptom. I think I have had it for a month. My nose has no mucus, booger and when I inhale, I feel like there is too much air entering my nostrils so I have to use something to block part of it. Otherwise I feel so uncomfortable and suffocated. My right nostril is getting worse, there is no congestion or anything and sometimes my face or nose seems to lose sensation. When the turbinates work normally, they will shrink and swell up and provide warm air but this does not happen to my nose. All the air I breathe in is cold and is not warm at all. I am just wondering what causes it because for people who have atrophic sinusitis, they will have nose blockage. But I do not, I feel my nose is so empty and too much air entering them when inhaling even my nose is not dried. I hope somebody could help.

I have checked my nose, I do not see any turbinates, only hair and the holes of my nose. I have never done any turbinate reduction or nasal surgery.

@drumline7860

I didn't say that he has it. I said that it sounds like it and I'm aware the other conditions can cause it : i.e. Hyperventilation syndrome, infection, etc. That having been said, If you check this and other forms you will find a lot of people that may be considering sinus surgery. As far as the rabbit hole, if my doctor or anyone else had told me (Not that I WOULD get it) but that I COULD get it, I never would have had the surgery to begin with, which by the way, was first diagnosed by Eugene Kern, MD, at (you guessed it) The Mayo Clinic. So…if my comments saved one person from suffering with this incurable condition, then my day has been made a little better. And… this is supposed to be a forum, not an ass ripping contest and I don't need to be scolded by you or anyone else. Two of the many symptoms of ENS are irritability and anxiety, which sadly I seem to be experiencing now. And yes I did have this confirmed by another ENT doctor. Have a good day.

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@drumline7860 -my apologies if that’s how you felt. Not meant for it to have come across that way. In being on your side, if you can see I tell the individual to steer clear from ENTs, because I do know first hand the damage that they cause to someone complaining of something very minor, like dryness or pain. They do not educate patients at all and only want to operate, hence worsening or causing symptoms, such as ENS to someone who only had a minor issue. That is actually why I follow this forum as I try to educate as many people who are thinking that an ENT is someone who can help them with their nasal issues. I actually try to encourage patients to learn how to help themselves first, before any doctor ever could. The body is connected. If you are having a problem in one area, you have to look at total picture. Which is mind/body/spirit. ENTs admit they too, don’t even know how the nose functions and half the time why some of the surgeries they perform even work. I like to encourage people to realize doctors are just other humans, with more knowledge in a concentrated area. However the best expert on your body is yourself and don’t let anyone else convince you otherwise.

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Thank you for your response to my rather rude comments. Please accept my apology as well as I accept yours. I'm quite sure that you meant well. Just for the record, for those that do suffer from ENS, many of my searches have suggested using "sesame oil spray" or liquid sesame oil applied with a Q-tip for the nasal dryness. I can vouch for it as it has made a difference in my life. I use the liquid. Just be sure to use organic sesame oil. It can be ordered from Natural Healthy concepts: NHC.com Merry Christmas to all. Sincerely… Jim

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@drumline7860 -I actually sent you a direct message to ask you a bit more about ENS.

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@destinyh96

I have this issue where my nose is so open and to the point it hurts my heart or ling when I breath heavy in thru my nose so much cold air maybe my chest is too open so what I did for temporary relief is plug my nose with some tissue no to the point I can’t breath but just enough to where in an still breath in n out my nose just not that much it stops too much air from comin in and just a nice amount plus bum Vaseline on my chest and nose. I’m a chronic weed smokier I actually stopped for 9 days last month but I started back sun recently so I could have smokers Lungs but I am only 24 and should not be having these health issues so I really hope I feel better soon. Possibly too much dry air in my home I need a humidifier I’m going to get one tmrw .

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@destinyh96 Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. You said you have an, "issue where my nose is so open and to the point it hurts my heart or ling when I breath heavy in thru my nose." You also said you may, "have smokers Lungs" due to smoking marijuana.

The symptoms you are describing, their severity, and your age defiantly raise red flags. If you have not already done so please feel free to scroll through the previous comments in this discussion. You will find members like, @bride @learningstudent have experience with this topic.

I'm wondering if you spoke to a provider/doctor regarding your symptoms?

Also, if you have difficulty stopping or cutting back marijuana, I'm wondering if you have considered addiction therapy?

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@erikas

@destinyh96 Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. You said you have an, "issue where my nose is so open and to the point it hurts my heart or ling when I breath heavy in thru my nose." You also said you may, "have smokers Lungs" due to smoking marijuana.

The symptoms you are describing, their severity, and your age defiantly raise red flags. If you have not already done so please feel free to scroll through the previous comments in this discussion. You will find members like, @bride @learningstudent have experience with this topic.

I'm wondering if you spoke to a provider/doctor regarding your symptoms?

Also, if you have difficulty stopping or cutting back marijuana, I'm wondering if you have considered addiction therapy?

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@destinyh96 -Hi I have experience with your topic. My first visit to an ENT was for dry/cold feeling in nasal cavity. He asked if I was a smoker. I never have smoked a day in my life. However I was around a lot of forced dry heating, after moving to a colder climate. We discussed staying properly hydrated and using a humidifier. If you have smoked marijuana for a long time, it can dry out the nasal mucosa, which needs to be moist for optimal function. Use ideas that people are suggesting. There is nothing a doctor or a prescription can do for cold/dry/open sensation. At most, see your PCP, if you are seeking peace of mind. Which is really what most, appts end up being, is a reassurance seeking visit. For your own reassurance, know that we have many different perceptions in the nose throughout the day. Once you start feeling one, and feel like it is a problem, it is easy to fixate on it and think it is something much worse. The body is complex and loud. If it feels uncomfortable, it is not uncommon for sensations to let us know. Focus on healthy habits from within. Lots of hydration, reduce the smoking, humidification, vitamin C. There are many things that add moisture back into the body other than water. Fruits/Vegetables carry moisture through your tissues as well. I do have a lot of knowledge in this area. I am trying to encourage you in a way, to know this is a very reversible feeling, when the focus is on the overall health. Not just one body part.

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I could not agree more. However I am just wondering what you have gone through your nose nrd1? If u visit a doc it is just the assurance visit.

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@learningstudent-I won’t go into details, as I am mainly here to help or provide insight for others anyway I can.
I will only say, I was in 100% perfect health, until I made a visit to an ENT (surgeon). Western Medicine is a huge money maker. Without patients making appts, there is no money to be made. If more patients were talked to or coached on overall health, fitness, wellness, most importantly stress levels, there would rarely be doctor visits. If an ENT is paid off of surgical procedures, it his his job to convince you to elect for surgery. So be very careful. As many doctors are trained in this and know, that if a patient is coming to see them, they are “worried” about something. They will “find” something to try and confirm your “worry”. But ask yourself, is my worry causing symptoms, or are my symptoms causing worry. Where your mind goes, the energy flows. It’s all interrelated.
We live in a fast paced, high anxiety driven society with technology changing everyday. Unfortunately that has spilled over into our health, with people wanting quick fixes and seeking a doctor to help them ASAP. It can cause more harm than good. The body is not a machine or technological device. Be patient and kind to your body and treat it with grace and respect. Learn/educate yourself on how to gain optimal health through proper nutrition(food is medicine), stress reduction, physical activity and social community. It’s all related when it comes to health.

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Cuz a lot of doctors said it is always in our mind when they cannot diagnose what happens. I would say ens is very deliberating. Nobody knows how that feels until one has it. I know what mind and body means. But unfortunately this only happened to me after I took beta blocker atenolol. First dizziness and then breathing difficulty and then hyperventilation and then empty nose syndrome and I could feel my turbinates shrink but they shrink too much and besides the nose are not producing mucus anymore so dried and no boogers and the nostrils are open and empty.

I said mind body works which is related to psychological aspect. Psycho said try not to think of it but imagine if somebody sitting next to u keep punching u every sec, can u ignore that? Cuz it hurts. U could distract urself from it but the pain is still there and u could feels. It is only when one goes through the experience that one knows how it feels.

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@learningstudent-I want you to know I very much believe you. I don’t think it’s “all in your head”. Dry/Cold air sensation is debilitating. Do you mind if I ask why you were prescribed a Beta Blocker? Was it off label for anxiety? I’m trying to help you see a connection. The trigeminal nerve is the most powerful nerve in the body. This nerve is often irritated/heightened in times of stress. This nerve is responsible for migraines, stress headaches and nasal irritation as it runs right through the nose. It is responsible for the sneeze reflex. When this nerve gets irritated/heightened it can start sending strong “danger” signals to the brain. This is your fight/flight response, hence anxiety. Your brain can them sense this feeling as danger. Your sensation is causing the distress for you. There are ways you can put the control back to make you feel calm. This is why I really urge against not going to Western Medicine doctors. If it’s something they can’t see, such as a “feeling”, “sensation” then you are told it’s all in your head, which makes the cycle worse. When we do go to a doctor appt, if you think about it, it is all based off of a “feeling”. They can only go off of our perception and description and hope it matches up to what they “see”.
If there is any peace of mind I can offer you, is to know that you did not have structural damage per se through a traumatic event. I highly recommend you work with a natural path or homeopathic doctor who can address everything going on. There was a reason you were prescribed a beta blocker, but was that reason ever addressed? Because if that was t addressed, your nervous system was already on high alert before the beta blocker, then the side effect of beta blocker, pushed the nerves over edge. I hope this makes sense. You do have the ability to overcome this from a whole body approach.

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Not for anxiety but for higher rate and that was the first time that I had ever used it for a month only but stopped it cold turkey. The doc said he used it for high blood pressure himself but then he only used 25mg and he prescribed me 50mg. A few days after I used it it kinda changed my internal system and then I felt less alert and became a bit of sluggish.

I have also used a couple of supplements but is of no use and they do not seem to work. My issues are not just the nose but has similar symptoms to autonomous nervous system problem but after the tilt table test they said it was normal. But then now it still leaves me with a lot of problems. My cold hands and feet are obvious but the docs do not really care and only my pt acknowledges that and no cure but told me a way to cope with it.

I am not sure if naturopathic docs could really solve these weird problems.

Btw do u feel fluid when u press your head against something such as pillow. I used to have it which was normal to me and now it is gone so I have ens.

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@learningstudent

Not for anxiety but for higher rate and that was the first time that I had ever used it for a month only but stopped it cold turkey. The doc said he used it for high blood pressure himself but then he only used 25mg and he prescribed me 50mg. A few days after I used it it kinda changed my internal system and then I felt less alert and became a bit of sluggish.

I have also used a couple of supplements but is of no use and they do not seem to work. My issues are not just the nose but has similar symptoms to autonomous nervous system problem but after the tilt table test they said it was normal. But then now it still leaves me with a lot of problems. My cold hands and feet are obvious but the docs do not really care and only my pt acknowledges that and no cure but told me a way to cope with it.

I am not sure if naturopathic docs could really solve these weird problems.

Btw do u feel fluid when u press your head against something such as pillow. I used to have it which was normal to me and now it is gone so I have ens.

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@learningstudent-high blood pressure effects so many things. And the nose being one of them. The vasculature through the nose is rich and hypersensitive to blood pressure, hence bloody noses. It’s also the reason why your nose runs sometimes (autonomic nervous system) some people are naturally more sensitive than others in this area. Hence allergies. With high blood pressure, comes headaches and tension. With headache, tension comes inflammation and blood restriction to areas that need it. If you are on high alert and hypertensive, your blood flow goes away from your feet and hands, because your body sends it to your organs first if senses you in danger.Headaches and tension, if not addressed can cause nervous system disorders. You have to address the high blood pressure to address the nervous system disorders. Do not discount a natural path/functional medicine doc. They can ask you questions that no one else would think to ask you. Once your nervous system is keyed up, every single sensation in your body, that would have been autonomic and in the background, becomes louder and you will then think you have a problem. When everything is operating in a relaxed, homeostatic state, things quiet down. Are you taking an honest look at your diet, exercise, job stress, what you do for fun? Your daily rituals. 90 percent of healthcare happens outside of the doctors office. Be thankful you only felt this after a month of a medication. There are ways you can cleanse the body as well to rid of medication side effects. Also, notice how you speak to yourself. Often when in an anxious state, you will talk black and white, all or nothing. Your sensations may not be that “weird”. Acknowledge your sensations, but don’t give in to them by catastrophizing and making them worse. I only know this verbiage, because a doctor used “catastrophic” verbiage to me. Once I heard it, I believed it to be true. After that my “symptoms” got worse. But they were not even bad to begin with.

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@nrd1

@learningstudent-high blood pressure effects so many things. And the nose being one of them. The vasculature through the nose is rich and hypersensitive to blood pressure, hence bloody noses. It’s also the reason why your nose runs sometimes (autonomic nervous system) some people are naturally more sensitive than others in this area. Hence allergies. With high blood pressure, comes headaches and tension. With headache, tension comes inflammation and blood restriction to areas that need it. If you are on high alert and hypertensive, your blood flow goes away from your feet and hands, because your body sends it to your organs first if senses you in danger.Headaches and tension, if not addressed can cause nervous system disorders. You have to address the high blood pressure to address the nervous system disorders. Do not discount a natural path/functional medicine doc. They can ask you questions that no one else would think to ask you. Once your nervous system is keyed up, every single sensation in your body, that would have been autonomic and in the background, becomes louder and you will then think you have a problem. When everything is operating in a relaxed, homeostatic state, things quiet down. Are you taking an honest look at your diet, exercise, job stress, what you do for fun? Your daily rituals. 90 percent of healthcare happens outside of the doctors office. Be thankful you only felt this after a month of a medication. There are ways you can cleanse the body as well to rid of medication side effects. Also, notice how you speak to yourself. Often when in an anxious state, you will talk black and white, all or nothing. Your sensations may not be that “weird”. Acknowledge your sensations, but don’t give in to them by catastrophizing and making them worse. I only know this verbiage, because a doctor used “catastrophic” verbiage to me. Once I heard it, I believed it to be true. After that my “symptoms” got worse. But they were not even bad to begin with.

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@learningstudent-I forgot to add this to the above. Something that most people don’t/wouldn’t know, is that the tissue in the nose is the same as erectile tissue. For erectile tissue to function properly there needs to be the right beta-receptor activated. There is a reason why beta blockers cause ED (erectile dysfunction). The two tissues are the same. The doctor who prescribed you the beta blocker would not be thinking that, because again, they only look at one part of the body. In saying that, I would go back to, ask you when you had the appt for where the beta blocker was prescribed, were any questions asked about how YOU were feeling/doing as a whole. The body has a cause and effect. You don’t just “have hypertension” there were causes that led up to hypertension as an effect. Address the cause(s) and you will address the effect. A pill won’t take away hypertension, it will mask it, while causing other issues, as you’ve experienced. Again, be kind to your whole self, you are not separate parts.

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