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Sciatica pain

Posted by @junebug15, May 1, 2017

Am dealing with pain on my left side radiating down my leg with numbness and tingling, diagnosed as sciatica. MRI showed two bulging discs and spinal stenosis. Ironically, I question whether the sciatica is from the above, but may involve my piriformis muscle. I had this problem in 2009 and my neurologist injected a steroid into the prirformis and I had relief for all of this time. After taking steroids with no relief I asked for a shot in the piriformis (rather than an epidural) and this has helped a little. Am due for another shot soon. I am now also having severe muscle cramping in my groin and thigh upon standing and walking, which is very painful. Would appreciate anyone’s input. I am going to look into PT and ART (active release technique). Thanks for your input.

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Does the MRI show nerve impingement from the discs? Are the discs in your lower back? If so, epidural steroid injections and PT might be helpful.
I speak from experience!

The MRI shows spinal stenosis and two bulging discs, but before I get an epidural I wanted to try a shot in the piriformis muscle and PT. I have no pain in the lower back, only on the left side of the thigh and groin with severe muscle cramping. So far I haven’t had much relief. Am due for another shot next week. I am really scared to get an epidural b/c of the proximity of the spinal cord, so that will be my last resort. Thanks for responding.

Hello @junebug15, I am sorry to hear of your recent diagnoses.

I would like to invite @blindeyepug, @goodtime376, @pat3316, @jeriliz, and @jjwest to this discussion as they have all discussed having spinal stenosis as well and may be able to offer some insight regarding your concerns with treatment options and epidurals.

@junebug15, did your physician(s) mention or talk about how long the shots would take to start having an affect?

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Hi Justin: My dr. said it would take 24-48 h. before I would feel any difference. I haven’t felt much better. I am scheduled for another shot next week. Since I had problems with the piriformis muscle before I wanted to have a shot in that area before I had an epidural. That would be my last resort. I also want to start PT. Am interested in ART (active release therapy) which I heard can be very beneficial. I have absolutely no pain upon sitting but feel severe muscle cramping in my groin and lateral thigh upon standing. Was wondering if anyone else had the same problems. Am just not sure if this is from bulging discs or spinal stenosis.

@bernese53

Does the MRI show nerve impingement from the discs? Are the discs in your lower back? If so, epidural steroid injections and PT might be helpful.
I speak from experience!

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Thanks for your input. I do have 2 bulging discs at L4-5 and spinal stenosis but I have also had this problem before which was cured by a shot into the piriformis muscle. If this muscle becomes inflamed it will cut off the sciatic nerve which runs underneath it. Am going to try PT before I go for the epidural. Thanks for your input.

@junebug15

Hi Justin: My dr. said it would take 24-48 h. before I would feel any difference. I haven’t felt much better. I am scheduled for another shot next week. Since I had problems with the piriformis muscle before I wanted to have a shot in that area before I had an epidural. That would be my last resort. I also want to start PT. Am interested in ART (active release therapy) which I heard can be very beneficial. I have absolutely no pain upon sitting but feel severe muscle cramping in my groin and lateral thigh upon standing. Was wondering if anyone else had the same problems. Am just not sure if this is from bulging discs or spinal stenosis.

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I completely understand your caution when it comes to anything entering near your spinal cord and you cannot be faulted for trying everything else before you try an epidural if that is what makes you the most uncomfortable.

In regards to ART, I would like to invite @predictable to the conversation as he has done some research on this type of therapy and discussed it on Connect in the past.

Thanks Justin. Would love to hear what @predictable has to say about ART. Stay well.

@junebug15

Thanks Justin. Would love to hear what @predictable has to say about ART. Stay well.

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Because Active Release Technique (ART) was unknown to me, I googled it and found many articles and other references. Members reading this discussion may find them informative. Here’s one of a number of similar descriptions:

“ART is a patented, state of the art soft tissue system/movement based massage technique that treats problems with muscles, tendons, ligaments, fascia and nerves. Headaches, back pain, carpal tunnel syndrome, shin splints, shoulder pain, sciatica, plantar fasciitis, knee problems, and tennis elbow are just a few of the many conditions that can be resolved quickly and permanently with ART. These conditions all have one important thing in common: they are often a result of overused muscles.”

I found nothing to explain how a massage technique that involves no special equipment could be patented or how much the owner of the patent is paid for leasing or licensing ART to a massage technician.

Here’s a link to another reference: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4563290/ and an excerpt from this 2015 article:

“The active release technique (ART) is a manual therapy for the recovery of soft tissue function that involves the removal of scar tissue, which can cause pain, stiffness, muscle weakness, and abnormal sensations including mechanical dysfunction in the muscles, myofascia, and soft tissue. The effectiveness of ART has been reported for carpal tunnel syndrome, Achilles tendonitis, and tennis elbow, all of which involve soft tissue near joints in the distal parts of the body. ART is also effective at reducing pain and increasing ROM in patients with a partial tear of the supraspinatus tendon (in the shoulder). Most patients with chronic neck pain experience pain and movement limitation as a result of soft tissue impairment in the neck.”

The unique factors in this description are “soft tissue function” and “removal of scar tissue” usually attributable to “mechanical dysfunction in the muscles.” There is no mention of bone or skeletal injury or disformation as targets of ART massage therapy.

@JustinMcClanahan

Hello @junebug15, I am sorry to hear of your recent diagnoses.

I would like to invite @blindeyepug, @goodtime376, @pat3316, @jeriliz, and @jjwest to this discussion as they have all discussed having spinal stenosis as well and may be able to offer some insight regarding your concerns with treatment options and epidurals.

@junebug15, did your physician(s) mention or talk about how long the shots would take to start having an affect?

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The lower back epidural injections for stenosis did nothing for me. The Hyalan type injections for my shoulders did nothing as well.Had this done by an anesthesiologist who now operates a “pain clinic” at a small hospital on L.I. N.Y. In my case, taking steroids that are not effective, is not worth the risk. So far I’m doing the best on Medical Marijuana and Ibuprofen twice or 3 times a day, Plus PT twice a week. Check out the latest issue of Consumer Reports for an extensive article on Back Pain. Good luck with your treatment choice and don’t believe everything the doctor tells you. Check the treatments and drugs yourself, reading and talking to fellow sufferer’s and ask tough questions, of the doctors.

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@junebug15

The MRI shows spinal stenosis and two bulging discs, but before I get an epidural I wanted to try a shot in the piriformis muscle and PT. I have no pain in the lower back, only on the left side of the thigh and groin with severe muscle cramping. So far I haven’t had much relief. Am due for another shot next week. I am really scared to get an epidural b/c of the proximity of the spinal cord, so that will be my last resort. Thanks for responding.

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(shortshot80) I have had two surgery’s for spinal stenosis and both really helped. I’m 84 now and all is well as far as those go, I have other problems. Can’t do much for them though. But I would do the surgeries again drather than a shot in a muscle or epidural. The surgery is a faster- less problems. (It was for me) just have to do as the doc says. I would do it again!

@junebug I recently read an informative article from another site about piriformis syndrome I will attach here : http://bit.ly/2pHeHuj
I certainly understand your reluctance in getting an epidural. I have had several in my cervical spine due to stenosis and disc bulge. I will only have them done by a specialist, usually an anesthesiologist, under a fluro scope. That way the doctor sees exactly where the catheter is positioned. As I recall, it wasn’t until my third injection until I felt significant relief. I hope you get some relief with the piriformis injection.

@JustinMcClanahan

Hello @junebug15, I am sorry to hear of your recent diagnoses.

I would like to invite @blindeyepug, @goodtime376, @pat3316, @jeriliz, and @jjwest to this discussion as they have all discussed having spinal stenosis as well and may be able to offer some insight regarding your concerns with treatment options and epidurals.

@junebug15, did your physician(s) mention or talk about how long the shots would take to start having an affect?

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I also had severe sciatic pain radiating down my left leg (L 4-5 and other herniated discs). Had a shot in periformis muscle 12/16. I am happy to tell you that it is still holding!

@junebug15

Hi Justin: My dr. said it would take 24-48 h. before I would feel any difference. I haven’t felt much better. I am scheduled for another shot next week. Since I had problems with the piriformis muscle before I wanted to have a shot in that area before I had an epidural. That would be my last resort. I also want to start PT. Am interested in ART (active release therapy) which I heard can be very beneficial. I have absolutely no pain upon sitting but feel severe muscle cramping in my groin and lateral thigh upon standing. Was wondering if anyone else had the same problems. Am just not sure if this is from bulging discs or spinal stenosis.

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Hi Junebug 15. I have similar pain and cramping in my right front thigh and groin. It’s very disabling and I have a blind 88 year old husband to care for. This started after back surgery…I was put into a broken bed hours after surgery and it crashed from the highest to the lowest position and my whole body jerked. When I went home 3 days later I lost consciousness and fell because I was not told that two of my meds could not be taken together. Apparently I was supposed to be born with that knowledge! I seemed to be ok for 6 months and then pain started…so I’ve gone the usual round of primary Dr ordering physical therapy, no help. Nerve tested by neurologist, I have bad nerve damage so on to a pain Dr. She tried various opioids, no help. I’ve had ablations on both sides, no help. Last thing was caudal epidural, helped some but seems to be wearing off after 10 days. The whole leg is getting weaker and sometimes I almost fall. I don’t know at this point if I should get a spine stimulator or start looking into a wheelchair. Treatment has gone on for over a year…I don’t know where to turn anymore.

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@junebug15

Hi Justin: My dr. said it would take 24-48 h. before I would feel any difference. I haven’t felt much better. I am scheduled for another shot next week. Since I had problems with the piriformis muscle before I wanted to have a shot in that area before I had an epidural. That would be my last resort. I also want to start PT. Am interested in ART (active release therapy) which I heard can be very beneficial. I have absolutely no pain upon sitting but feel severe muscle cramping in my groin and lateral thigh upon standing. Was wondering if anyone else had the same problems. Am just not sure if this is from bulging discs or spinal stenosis.

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Hi.  So terribly sorry to hear about what you have be been enduring.   I wish I had the answer for you.  I just came back from my second shot today but got no immediate relief, so will have to wait and see.  Don't give up.   I would continue working with a neurologist to try and find the origin of the pain.  I'm assuming you've had an MRI.  Sometimes it's very time consuming trying to find the right doctor but when you do it makes it all worthwhile.   Much luck to you.  Sending hugs.

Hello, sciatica is a symptom that something is pushing on a nerve which gives the pain referred to as sciatica, now you have to find what will reduce this inflammation. Epidurals worked for me about 5 years then I was rear ended by a truck while waiting for a red light so finally had a fusion of lumbar 2,4,5. I know what folks say about fusions not helping but they do but you must abide instructions, like I have a limit of lifting only 18 pounds which is equivalent to a gallon of milk and so to make it simple I only buy half gallon jugs. Yes I have pain daily but know now that sometime I can get along with Tylenol plus muscle relaxer rather than using the ultram. the only person that can help you best is yourself. If you have a bad disc they now can replace it, I do not know your location but I do know of a super ortho surgeon in Minneapolis, Dr. Amir Mebod. I also smoke mJ and it helps to relax the body and help to tolerate pain. I am a Christian and will by prayer give you great help. Please keep in touch about your progress. Sent with love and concern Maxine

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