Recognizing my own bias or prejudice .....

Posted by ellerbracke @ellerbracke, Sat, Aug 31 5:14pm

I know I am very guilty of classifying people in general, and regarding weight in particular. Living in the bible/heart attack/ diabetes belt, it simply blows my mind how many obese people I see every single day when out and about. Granted, fewer of those at Dillard’s than Walmart. Still, in addition to being concerned, I am also judging those people. I know I should not, but how in the world can someone get that fat? It would take years of dedicated overeating to reach that. No, I really don’t think that all of them have a medical issue, seeing what’s in their grocery carts. Someone help me get a less judgmental attitude when I’ve been semi-denying myself all those chips and cookies and fries for decades?? I live and eat well, but treats should be treats, not daily food.

@ayeshasharma

I agree with advocacy for education around nutrition as well as policy change to regulate the food and drink industry. Completely. The fast food/fast fashion/fast entertainment direction we're headed toward is doing way more harm than good. But one element of the conversation that I think is missing is that suicide rates in the U.S. have skyrocketed in the past 2 decades–increased 33% from 1999 to 2017. Suicide is the fourth leading cause of death for people ages 35-54, and the second for 10-34 year olds. Regardless of whether we think body image is a significant issue for others to have, it's proven that teens who think they're overweight, or are actually overweight, are at increased risk of attempting suicide.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/03/trends-suicide
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090520064349.htm

The folks in the first video "Do All Plus-Sized People Think the Same?" were being influenced by each other, for sure. I think one of them was a bit judgmental to the others, for whatever reason. But something I liked about this video, and the channel's basic series template of, "Do All _________ Think the Same?" is that legitimizes Experts by Experience, as the Connect community does as well. It asks plus-sized people about plus sized issues. Other episodes interview veterans about being veterans, etc.

I'm Indian, and my parents are both health professionals. They eat Indian food almost every day, not anything fried or fatty (containing ingredients like ghee/butter) and their parents ate the exact same thing. When they were just starting out in this country, this diet was kind on the wallet, because North Indian food (where my family is from) is basically just beans and rice (and onions and tomatoes, etc, lol). Similar to what some call the poor man's diet. I feel rather fortunate to have been raised with a cultural knowledge of healthy, low-cost ingredients and healthy cooking, like your kids, @ellerbracke. This sort of family knowledge is invaluable to pass on.

At the same time, I think education and policy change will always be stronger than prejudice. I've heard of too many kids getting bullied when we have structural problems we could focus on instead of shaming individuals.

Just my two cents

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@ayeshasharma I have to wonder here, does being overweight cause depression, or does depression cause a person to eat and become overweight? I think often it's the latter.
JK

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@imallears

@ellerbracke
You're my kind of woman. Children learn from their parents. Your family is on the right track because of you and you put a lot of American homemakers to shame. Cultural differences ? Not always.

Fl Mary

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Thanks – but a lot of it was by necessity, and the bread baking was mostly because there was no “decent” bread – like dense dark bread, or crispy baguettes – available in the town we live in. Still, old habits – or is it hobbies? – die hard. No more bread baking, but I just put in my fall crop of radishes, kale, lettuce, sugar snap peas, and dill.

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@contentandwell Last night we all went out for dinner at Bucco,s De Peppo an Italian rest. We had eggplant parmesan and spinach artichoke dip enough so I brought some home for dinner tonight . I know a lot of people love there red meat but this was enough for me . You can always top it with meatballs. So there,s you meat .

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@contentandwell

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18164938

This study gets at what you're talking about–depression being strongly associated with less physical activity and a higher caloric intake among middle aged women. And the one I referenced in my previous comment discusses the link between self-image and suicide. So the literature suggests it may go both ways.

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The production and accessibility of processed breads have made it too easy to over-consume carbohydrates. I've been trying out low carb lately, experimenting with lettuce and kale wraps instead of flour tortillas/bread. I'm not sure I've found satisfying alternatives yet. When I realized how much bagels, pasta, etc. was upping my carb intake, I was shocked.

@lioness yum, sounds really good

Has anyone tried out alternatives to the daily starches? I've heard of cauliflower rice, I've tried spinach pasta, etc.

@contentandwell I was a vegan for 3-4 years before my recent switch to eating meat again. I think companies like Beyond Meat are taking a step in the right direction by providing in-demand alternatives to meat. But my experience with veganism wasn't great. My white blood cell count dropped, and it was clear I wasn't getting the nutrients I needed even though I was eating mostly non-processed, diverse food.

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@ayeshasharma

The production and accessibility of processed breads have made it too easy to over-consume carbohydrates. I've been trying out low carb lately, experimenting with lettuce and kale wraps instead of flour tortillas/bread. I'm not sure I've found satisfying alternatives yet. When I realized how much bagels, pasta, etc. was upping my carb intake, I was shocked.

@lioness yum, sounds really good

Has anyone tried out alternatives to the daily starches? I've heard of cauliflower rice, I've tried spinach pasta, etc.

@contentandwell I was a vegan for 3-4 years before my recent switch to eating meat again. I think companies like Beyond Meat are taking a step in the right direction by providing in-demand alternatives to meat. But my experience with veganism wasn't great. My white blood cell count dropped, and it was clear I wasn't getting the nutrients I needed even though I was eating mostly non-processed, diverse food.

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@ayeshasharma
Hi,

The best alternative for me for daily starches is to just avoid them period or limit to one a day. There are carbs in almost all foods but the unhealthy white refined starch is the worse. So I consciously limit my daily intake of potatoes or bread. I use lettuce wraps and mainly have protein and a veggie for main meals. I don’t miss it. I’ll order a burger outside, discard the top bun and knife and fork it or just ask for it bunless. It’s a conscious effort and the best defense is not to have it in the house. I avoid wheat as much as possible. This morning my gluten free chia waffle with blueberries is my conscious carb for the day. I’m not buying as much gluten free bread as I use to because a lot contain sugar. I am no longer a sandwich eater.
Some carbs are essential for a healthy lifestyle. Be mindful of what you eat and learn about your body and the fuel it needs and it becomes second nature. But don’t deprive yourself…that’s no way to live….I’ll never pass up a pizza lol.

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@imallears

@ayeshasharma
Hi,

The best alternative for me for daily starches is to just avoid them period or limit to one a day. There are carbs in almost all foods but the unhealthy white refined starch is the worse. So I consciously limit my daily intake of potatoes or bread. I use lettuce wraps and mainly have protein and a veggie for main meals. I don’t miss it. I’ll order a burger outside, discard the top bun and knife and fork it or just ask for it bunless. It’s a conscious effort and the best defense is not to have it in the house. I avoid wheat as much as possible. This morning my gluten free chia waffle with blueberries is my conscious carb for the day. I’m not buying as much gluten free bread as I use to because a lot contain sugar. I am no longer a sandwich eater.
Some carbs are essential for a healthy lifestyle. Be mindful of what you eat and learn about your body and the fuel it needs and it becomes second nature. But don’t deprive yourself…that’s no way to live….I’ll never pass up a pizza lol.

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@imallears
Ooohhh lettuce wraps, I'm salivating uncontrollably.
Chia waffles? I thought that was some animal-shaped thIng you watered and it grew out some sort of flora.
I think I'll stick to my kind of health food.
Jake

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@lioness

@contentandwell Last night we all went out for dinner at Bucco,s De Peppo an Italian rest. We had eggplant parmesan and spinach artichoke dip enough so I brought some home for dinner tonight . I know a lot of people love there red meat but this was enough for me . You can always top it with meatballs. So there,s you meat .

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@lioness. You didn’t have to say it was Italian with a name like that!
😁.
I love eggplant parm, but with all that cheese it does have a lot of sodium. That’s enough for me too. I also make a delicious 😋 dinner, lasagna roll ups stuffed with ricotta, spinach, and chopped mushrooms. I usually put a meat sauce on it but it’s easy to customize it by using marinara when I will be serving my son-in-law. Although he does now eat chicken, he won’t eat red meat at all. He was born in this country but I think the Indian culture is a strong one.

@ayeshasharma I think it’s a vicious circle – depression leads to eating, gaining weight causes more depression. This is an area where I am experienced having been about 90 pounds heavier at one time. Frankly, as much as I absolutely love my son and daughter, I never should have given up work entirely. It was much more difficult in those days to work in a professional field part-time, and virtually impossible to work off-site.
JK

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@imallears seems like you've got a system worked out for yourself. It's really smart to keep temptations out of the house if you're looking to decrease your intake of something. For me, there are MANY temptations, but the main ones I've intentionally stopped buying are chips.

Something I heard the other day, which I agreed with, is that many trendy diets have been proven to work for weight loss, but the real key to changing your diet (in whatever way, not necessarily just for weight loss) is creating a diet that you know you'll stick to. For me, that means making sure everything I cook is flavorful.

@jakedduck1 lol I think you're referring to a chia pet!

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@contentandwell your son-in-law must have been raised Hindu, as was I. Our families don't usually eat beef, as respect for the cow is a part of Hindu belief.
Muslims generally eat beef, as long as it's halal, but adhering Muslims don't eat pork.

When my parents were raising my brother and I, they weren't too strict on not eating beef themselves, so we ate it every once in a while. I've grown to have a complicated relationship with beef, mainly because of the US meat and dairy industry.

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@imallears

@ayeshasharma
Hi,

The best alternative for me for daily starches is to just avoid them period or limit to one a day. There are carbs in almost all foods but the unhealthy white refined starch is the worse. So I consciously limit my daily intake of potatoes or bread. I use lettuce wraps and mainly have protein and a veggie for main meals. I don’t miss it. I’ll order a burger outside, discard the top bun and knife and fork it or just ask for it bunless. It’s a conscious effort and the best defense is not to have it in the house. I avoid wheat as much as possible. This morning my gluten free chia waffle with blueberries is my conscious carb for the day. I’m not buying as much gluten free bread as I use to because a lot contain sugar. I am no longer a sandwich eater.
Some carbs are essential for a healthy lifestyle. Be mindful of what you eat and learn about your body and the fuel it needs and it becomes second nature. But don’t deprive yourself…that’s no way to live….I’ll never pass up a pizza lol.

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@imallears Yes you are right I don't deprive myself of anything but eat in portions some only once in awhile like sweets ,bread once a day no sugar Ive done without for years except whats already in food and that's enough . I do eat protein my condition requires it so little chicken ,fish and once a week maybe red meat . Try to stay away from chocolate but dark chocolate is good for you in getting your antioxidents that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. No processed food at all ever since we found out our son was allergic to dyes and artificial flavorings so that isn't a big deal. GO ORGANIC

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@contentandwell

@lioness. You didn’t have to say it was Italian with a name like that!
😁.
I love eggplant parm, but with all that cheese it does have a lot of sodium. That’s enough for me too. I also make a delicious 😋 dinner, lasagna roll ups stuffed with ricotta, spinach, and chopped mushrooms. I usually put a meat sauce on it but it’s easy to customize it by using marinara when I will be serving my son-in-law. Although he does now eat chicken, he won’t eat red meat at all. He was born in this country but I think the Indian culture is a strong one.

@ayeshasharma I think it’s a vicious circle – depression leads to eating, gaining weight causes more depression. This is an area where I am experienced having been about 90 pounds heavier at one time. Frankly, as much as I absolutely love my son and daughter, I never should have given up work entirely. It was much more difficult in those days to work in a professional field part-time, and virtually impossible to work off-site.
JK

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@contentandwell This was my special occasion I don't eat eggplant most of the time. I was surprised ther wasn't much cheese on it They where rounds of eggplant toped with the sauce and a blotch of cheese on top I drank 2 glasses of Ice Tea . to dilute the salt

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I find this discussion to be fascinating, as you follow the twists and turns from the original comments. I have at least two siblings who are vegetarians or vegans, yet have moderately controlled sweet-tooths. Myself, due to kidney issues, eat a low potassium/low phosphorus/low sodium diet, with almost no dairy. Plus low purine due to gout [no shellfish, mushrooms, pork]. Very little red meat, lots of chicken and fish; some day I will wake up clucking! Yes, as @ayeshasharma said, poor eating and depression are linked, ask me how I know!
Ginger

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@ayeshasharma

@imallears seems like you've got a system worked out for yourself. It's really smart to keep temptations out of the house if you're looking to decrease your intake of something. For me, there are MANY temptations, but the main ones I've intentionally stopped buying are chips.

Something I heard the other day, which I agreed with, is that many trendy diets have been proven to work for weight loss, but the real key to changing your diet (in whatever way, not necessarily just for weight loss) is creating a diet that you know you'll stick to. For me, that means making sure everything I cook is flavorful.

@jakedduck1 lol I think you're referring to a chia pet!

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@ayeshasharma This is what I have tried to do. A real bagel is a distant memory! I do buy whole wheat mini bagels, they’re not bad and don’t have excessive calories or carbs. When we have meatballs and sauce I don’t have pasta, I serve mine on top of squash.
Even for people not looking to lose weight MyFitnessPal can be a huge help because it tracks nutrients. You can tell it which nutrients you want tracked too.
My almost daily salad is a salad with greens, chicken, strawberries and goat cheese crumbles. I was lactose intolerant for a while but that seems to have gone away so I can once again have goat cheese. Not only do I love goat cheese, but it has about half the sodium of other cheeses like blue cheese.
Living with my husband is tough, he eats anything and everything, yet does not gain weight! Not fair! If we go out for lunch he often gets a Reuben. One of these days I plan to give in to that and have one too. The other day I had a “knife and fork” burger. It was pretty good, it had some avocado with it.
I know a lot of people do like cauliflower rice but it was unacceptable to my husband so it’s easier for me to just skip it than to make two different things.
My son-in-law went to a nutritionist at one point a few years ago and was also advised to not limit his diet so much. I have no idea if his current diet has improved that.
JK

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@ayeshasharma

@contentandwell your son-in-law must have been raised Hindu, as was I. Our families don't usually eat beef, as respect for the cow is a part of Hindu belief.
Muslims generally eat beef, as long as it's halal, but adhering Muslims don't eat pork.

When my parents were raising my brother and I, they weren't too strict on not eating beef themselves, so we ate it every once in a while. I've grown to have a complicated relationship with beef, mainly because of the US meat and dairy industry.

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@ayeshasharma
He was raised Hindu, more culturally than religiously. His parents and sister eat no meat or fish though.

@lioness I have the same excuse when it comes to dark chocolate. I buy high quality bars and break them into sections and store them in a little covered dish. I just finished one that was in the 90s, that was a little too much. I like 85%.
JK

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