My frustration is off the charts

Posted by grace4u @grace4u, 2 days ago

My husband MCI diagnosed a year ago.… Memory loss, confusion, and processing issues. On top of that, his hearing is bad, even with hearing aids. And he does have focal seizuresat times. The tension in our house is constant.. my husband is unaccepting to all of this. If I raise my voice so he can hear, he gets angry. If I ask him to get a ride to a doctor appointment so I can have a break, he gets angry. ( he is not allowed to drive). If I point out some confusion or processing issue, he gets angry. He says I’m just making too much of all of this. Some days I don’t know how to deal. The confusion is extreme some days. Last week I felt some anxiety starting. Too many days without a break. Anyone experience anything like this? Any thots?

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Profile picture for kjc48 @kjc48

Yes, I would imagine we're all experiencing the same thing - based on the stage they are in. Yesterday for me was the same intense pressure cooker you describe. I'm not sure what we can do other than try to go to bed early, get some needed and "peaceful" sleep, wake up the next day, and go at this again, knowing, but hoping the day will be better. Their confusion is tiring; the worst part is they still hang on to what they know and do, creating more issues. Last night with the cell phone and PC, at our house - not in sync with each other - was exhausting and difficult. I'm not sure how to help other than to say: YOU ARE NOT ALONE. About the best you can do is not engage with him, when he gets angry. If you talk to him, go over to where he is sitting, so he can hear you better. If he needs a ride to the doctor, can you coordinate it with someone ahead of time. So, you get your much needed break, and you don't engage in a dialogue with him about "getting a ride." As for telling you you're making too much out of this, you just have to ignore what he says. Over time, I suppose as the progression gets worse, he won't be saying that. My husband is almost a year into his diagnosis too, and what you're describing is what I'm going through. It's been intense over the last few days, as all of this has become a long, tiring, extended day. I'm sorry for what you're going through; I'm sorry all of us caregivers are up against the fight of this horrible disease.
Best, Karla

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Thanks to all of you for sharing. Life in an "intense pressure cooker" brings out the best and the worst in us.

Today, I will do my best to "not engage with him," and to just love my George.

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Profile picture for standinginfaith @standinginfaith

I'm so glad to hear either the VA has changed or yourall's is better than ours was for my husband.. they mad my life a living hell..it was 2010 and he was a 100% DAV Vietnam Veteran. referred to another VA for a biopsy on spot in kidney.. the 1st vist (3 hrs each way) a lady came screaming out.." they're killing my husband.. we drove 5 hrs each way to get a test and they didn't tell him not to take aspirin...pancreatic cancer.." well.. they say my husband and said ..he's got kidney and liver cancer and it's metathesized.. didn't explain what that meant. come back and the Chief of Urology will have a plan in one month.. we did and waited 5 hrs as people went in ahead of us . he finally got so mad he was going to leave.. so I told them.. then we got this dr who asked "what can he do for us"...I asked "what is the plan??" He didn't know ..and I told him "you're NOT the Chief of Urology and our appt is with him" and he didn't have a plan .. come back in another month.. so now finally they said then next month " they guy is too scared to biopsy it" and then I call the PA in DC and VSM regional and left a heated voice mail .. he finally got a biopsy in Nov.. and this all started in June.. so I had him referred to the outside on Indian Health... he passed in June the next year ..was on Hospice 21 days and I had NO help except nurse once a day and "washing girl every day.. 24/7..alone ..got 2 breaks.. once to Walmart and once to the bank.. SEVEN years later.. I got a call.. they wanted to biopsy him NOW.. WHY>.?? well the pathologist in Fayetteville had been injecting himself with an undetectable drug and working impaired for 10 years.. and they had to redo 33 thousand!! The town Hall meeting were heartbreaking!! Veterans misdiagnosed and dying .. and the Acting head of the VA yelled at their wives. what a mess!! So one day a l day from the Washington Post in DC called..looking for widows to talk to .. none would..I told her "you've reached the right widow.. (I had filed a 9 inch binder entitled He was a man not a budget line item.. " (SF 95 wrongful death..) no results.. VA rules on themselves.. I asked for my husbands slide back (they keep them 75 years a) and they refused so I called the IG in DC and was going to NAGPRA his slid (Native American Graves Repatriation Act) which really mad the guy mad at the next meeting. I told him finally.." we are members of a tour of duty you can never unmderstand .. members of the "widows brigade" from which you can never retire or resign" ..so many things they did wrong on his case and they knew it!! I didn't want any money .. just advocating for better health care.. and the Congression Rep here and in AR involved..I guess I'm still mad ..I loved my husband ..no children ..he was all I had.. and he deserved better.. Army Infantry Vietnam Lai Khe 68-69 .. Big Red One . volunteer..."Dear John letter while he was there.." .and had PTSD ..I married him later (his 3rd wife).. finally he had a happy 13 years before he changed his address to Heaven.. I have to forgive them..God will handle it..God has my David now these almost 15 years..I still miss him!! He never got a "welcome home" and was spit on in uniform when he was stateside.. I salute all our Veterans!! My Daddy was a WW11 vet.. veterans deserve the BEST care!! Thank you Veterans for your service and sacrifice and your families too!! God bless the USA!!

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Dear @standinginfaith

This is such a heartbreaking story and I thank you for sharing it. Thank you also for being willing to fight even after his death for someone to understand the real human costs of their incompetence and inadequate management. These days we have the same medical malpractice issues to guards against and in addition an even more daunting foe: The nameless, faceless mountain of administrative offices and staff who increasingly determine who gets what treatment, with no accountability.
A recent article noted:

"In 1970, there were far more physicians in the U.S. than healthcare executives or managers. By 2009, administrators outnumbered physicians by more than 10 to one. From 1975 to 2010, the number of U.S. physicians grew 150%. Administrative personnel grew 3,200%.

This is not mismanagement. It is not accident. It is mathematical inevitability: the compounding consequence of regulatory complexity, payer fragmentation, billing code proliferation, and the political economy of hospital bureaucracies that reward headcount with status and status with survival. Administrative bloat is not a symptom. It is a system behaving exactly as its incentives demand.

Today, administrative costs consume an estimated 34 cents of every dollar spent on U.S. healthcare. Overhead is the single largest line item in American medicine. Not drugs. Not devices. Not physician compensation."

I wish you peace as you continue to live fully, as I am sure your loving husband would have wanted.

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Profile picture for kjc48 @kjc48

@slarson14 I saw your note, and wonder if he's a veteran, does he get additional support - that might apply to my husband?

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@kjc48 My husband and I are both veterans; they have good support network, and depending on the Veteran's service time and other factors, he may be eligible for some and or everything.

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Thank you for reaching out and sharing. Karla

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Profile picture for georgescraftjr @georgescraftjr


Thanks to all of you for sharing. Life in an "intense pressure cooker" brings out the best and the worst in us.

Today, I will do my best to "not engage with him," and to just love my George.

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@georgescraftjr Yes, I love that. I actually laughed! Poor George, he won't have you today.....and what's funny. I tell my Eddie that I'm not talking to him, if he's nasty or agitated..........and that works sometime...Ah, but the cold shoulder, and total avoidance, now that might work even better,
Best, Karla

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Goodness, hugs to you.
Yes, my frustration is off the charts sometimes with similar behaviors from my husband.
It's lessening though due to caregiver classes I am taking, and started taking my husband to a respite care facility a few times a month (he does boxing while he's there).
Also, try to find a therapist with experience working with caregivers, they do exist.
Walking away or to another room, petting your dog or whatever, baking cookies, taking a walk, doing a workout on TV, journaling. call a friend; find things that help you release that steam valve, and it's okay to yell and scream if that helps.
All the best. 🌺 🫂

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You are correct and that's a valuable point you raise. As they think you are the problem. That's the disease, and over-time, through the progression, that will resolve, "they don't think anything is wrong," because I remember my neighbor who had alzheimers, and over time, she didn't know enough to argue or "engage" with you. I think all the stages of this disease are painful but the onset is very frightening, as we don't know what we don't know, hoping for the best, planning for the worst, not knowing day to day, what's going to happen, but seeing with other's progression what has happened. It just puts life in limbo. And especially if you're up there in years, it has me questioning how much time we have left at the later stages of our life. I hate to write this, but it's real, hard-core feelings about being close to 80 years old, and seeing what's happening to his and my own health. I've been running frantic worried that if something happened to me, what happens to him with MCI - if he progresses. Why I went to the attorney, but I'm still confused, especially in a blended family where estate planning gets even tricker with kids from different spouses. Now to have to make those decisions. Please don't mind my ramblings this morning.........Best, Karla

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Profile picture for memoriestomoments @memoriestomoments

Dear @standinginfaith

This is such a heartbreaking story and I thank you for sharing it. Thank you also for being willing to fight even after his death for someone to understand the real human costs of their incompetence and inadequate management. These days we have the same medical malpractice issues to guards against and in addition an even more daunting foe: The nameless, faceless mountain of administrative offices and staff who increasingly determine who gets what treatment, with no accountability.
A recent article noted:

"In 1970, there were far more physicians in the U.S. than healthcare executives or managers. By 2009, administrators outnumbered physicians by more than 10 to one. From 1975 to 2010, the number of U.S. physicians grew 150%. Administrative personnel grew 3,200%.

This is not mismanagement. It is not accident. It is mathematical inevitability: the compounding consequence of regulatory complexity, payer fragmentation, billing code proliferation, and the political economy of hospital bureaucracies that reward headcount with status and status with survival. Administrative bloat is not a symptom. It is a system behaving exactly as its incentives demand.

Today, administrative costs consume an estimated 34 cents of every dollar spent on U.S. healthcare. Overhead is the single largest line item in American medicine. Not drugs. Not devices. Not physician compensation."

I wish you peace as you continue to live fully, as I am sure your loving husband would have wanted.

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@memoriestomoments THANK YOU!!! I myself have been battling this system "on the outside" now for six years.. and it is horrible!! We live in a very rural area.. and whew!! I blithely took an antibiotic my PC prescribed on Dec 19th 2019 ..it was double the usual dose and it blew a hemorrhage in my stomach..and hurt!! And then.. the plethora of problems that followed.. got down to 98 lbs.. gastros ..horrible.. until I found a good one.. 30 visits to ER.. one even told me..I"m not going to help you.. and you've been living alone for so long you ought to be used to it (severely dehydrated and so malnourished I had scurvy) and sent me home.. she said "go ahead and fiel a complaint..I'm the head of ER here so hahaha".. so bad.. drove 30 miles each way and the next day I called my PC and she had me tested and I was dehydrated and needed an IV.. my handy ma took his wife to this same ER and dropped her off and when he came back she was dead.. never told him why.. I had gallbladder surgery here and had a copy of my preop (I document everything) saying I was allergic to lidocaine.. 2 labels on my gown .. 2 anesthesiologists who said they wouldn't use it and as they were putting the mask on my face I heard " give her the lidocaine.. she had to call for 2 big guys to hold me at 104 lbs..so I got home and raised such a ruckus.. the hospital called and they changed their p[olicy.. no one gets anything they are allergic to..I had to call for an ambulance and we have TWO.. I got the one with no thing on it.. they gave me a "barf bag..I asked for a Zofran.and she said "I'm not authorized to give on".. so I said "can I administered one to myself.. get my wallet".. you have just explained why and what the heck is wrong with this system..!! Finally and answer!! I have ben thru hell with this stomach stuff now for six years.. and God has healed me of so much..if it wasn't for Jesus the healer.. I'd have been dead several times ..(Like a cat..9 lives) My nephrologist gave me pills I have to take that have titanium oxide as a binder and got so mad at me he hurt me last week on purpose trying to show me where kidney pain was..I did leave RFK Jr a message about metals in scripts.. thinking he might look into it.. (I'm 72 and too old for this crap.. kinda crabby about it.. drs on TV ..my Rheumatologist.. is in New York at a VA and we're here in Oklahoma.. he says (since I complained .. what are you all gonna do for me this year.. 4 years.. last year the resident just sent me home with..you're gonna have kidney or heart failure from systemic scleroderma..well the Dr has hired lots of residents ..because he got a contract with the Cherokee Nation.. and so he sits in New York and writes a new book..and lets these residents take care of us.. now I have fibromyalgia..(where'd that come from??) and oh they don't treat that... can't seem me anymore... well I got all my records and found a rheumatologist in a big town who does both..( they almost flipped when I told them) and I'm probably gonna try.. to expose this type of "doctoring".. as it is so prevalent here.. gastro in Florida and he flies in to do surgeries.. and lets residents handle it I'm 72..and they mistake me for being stupid as I have a prevalent Southern accent (more so than most Okies. born in Alabama)..I tell them "where I come from CEO's talk like this.. we need to fix this system ..and fortunately I am getting better and going to come out screaming.. just need to find the proper avenue to navigate..(I am very familiar with the VA.. but "outside is so ..big").. I thank you for sharing all of the great information!! I pray God's hand of protection over you and abundant blessings!!

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Profile picture for standinginfaith @standinginfaith

I'm so glad to hear either the VA has changed or yourall's is better than ours was for my husband.. they mad my life a living hell..it was 2010 and he was a 100% DAV Vietnam Veteran. referred to another VA for a biopsy on spot in kidney.. the 1st vist (3 hrs each way) a lady came screaming out.." they're killing my husband.. we drove 5 hrs each way to get a test and they didn't tell him not to take aspirin...pancreatic cancer.." well.. they say my husband and said ..he's got kidney and liver cancer and it's metathesized.. didn't explain what that meant. come back and the Chief of Urology will have a plan in one month.. we did and waited 5 hrs as people went in ahead of us . he finally got so mad he was going to leave.. so I told them.. then we got this dr who asked "what can he do for us"...I asked "what is the plan??" He didn't know ..and I told him "you're NOT the Chief of Urology and our appt is with him" and he didn't have a plan .. come back in another month.. so now finally they said then next month " they guy is too scared to biopsy it" and then I call the PA in DC and VSM regional and left a heated voice mail .. he finally got a biopsy in Nov.. and this all started in June.. so I had him referred to the outside on Indian Health... he passed in June the next year ..was on Hospice 21 days and I had NO help except nurse once a day and "washing girl every day.. 24/7..alone ..got 2 breaks.. once to Walmart and once to the bank.. SEVEN years later.. I got a call.. they wanted to biopsy him NOW.. WHY>.?? well the pathologist in Fayetteville had been injecting himself with an undetectable drug and working impaired for 10 years.. and they had to redo 33 thousand!! The town Hall meeting were heartbreaking!! Veterans misdiagnosed and dying .. and the Acting head of the VA yelled at their wives. what a mess!! So one day a l day from the Washington Post in DC called..looking for widows to talk to .. none would..I told her "you've reached the right widow.. (I had filed a 9 inch binder entitled He was a man not a budget line item.. " (SF 95 wrongful death..) no results.. VA rules on themselves.. I asked for my husbands slide back (they keep them 75 years a) and they refused so I called the IG in DC and was going to NAGPRA his slid (Native American Graves Repatriation Act) which really mad the guy mad at the next meeting. I told him finally.." we are members of a tour of duty you can never unmderstand .. members of the "widows brigade" from which you can never retire or resign" ..so many things they did wrong on his case and they knew it!! I didn't want any money .. just advocating for better health care.. and the Congression Rep here and in AR involved..I guess I'm still mad ..I loved my husband ..no children ..he was all I had.. and he deserved better.. Army Infantry Vietnam Lai Khe 68-69 .. Big Red One . volunteer..."Dear John letter while he was there.." .and had PTSD ..I married him later (his 3rd wife).. finally he had a happy 13 years before he changed his address to Heaven.. I have to forgive them..God will handle it..God has my David now these almost 15 years..I still miss him!! He never got a "welcome home" and was spit on in uniform when he was stateside.. I salute all our Veterans!! My Daddy was a WW11 vet.. veterans deserve the BEST care!! Thank you Veterans for your service and sacrifice and your families too!! God bless the USA!!

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@standinginfaith so sorry for your loss, my husband is also a Vietnam vet, so on top of his vascular dementia we also deal with many other issues. Your story about the VA is very sad and I’ve heard many like yours. I’m thankful the VA here has been supportive and helpful.

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@kjc48
It sounds as though the problem with dementia is that the dementia also prevents the patient from knowing they are off the radar screen. How can you be there for someone who doesn't "think" there's anything wrong?

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@shmerdloff Exactly!! If anyone has that answer, please post! Linda

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