HoLEP Log: What did you experience pre and post-op?

Posted by nabulldog @nabulldog, Mar 24 10:54am

What did you experience, pre and post - op?

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@nabulldog

That's interesting, why did they give you heparin? I was moving around quite a bit by 23 days. You will find the more you move around the more you will bleed. It's just a matter of breaking up the scar tissue and breaking loose scabs. So don't be surprised if you go beyond 5 weeks.

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I wish I could edit here. I wanted to mention that I do notice that the more I move, the more I bleed. I overdid it yesterday carrying heavy grocery bags on foot for a distance I don't normally walk. This morning I didn't see any rust-color. I'll take shorter walks. I really needed the exercise.

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@delmar418

I'm 24 days post op and feel very lethargic, sometimes my hands have a slight tremble, my strength is down. I also find myself in a fog, staring out the window or at the wall. I'm 61 years old. Insomnia doesn't help matters, but this was happening before surgery, I attribute it to anxiety. I need to have a blood test for kidney function, glucose and insulin levels. I'm better after a cup of coffee, but after a walk I tire easily. I used to work out in the gym before surgery, 3 to 4 times a week. It's too early to lift weight so I'll do walking. I'm wondering if it's a metabolic kidney issue that's causing all of this, or the residue of Augmentin antibiotics I too before, and after surgery- for 8 days after. This doesn't help the kidneys much.

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Have you started any rounds of probiotics following the completion of your Augmentin? If I take an antibiotic I will take probiotics after completion to get my gut bacteria back in order. That could also be a contributor to your sleep issues. I use Garden of Life colon care probiotics. That product has the correct strains of bacteria which contribute to the production of Gaba which in turn induces sleep. Insomnia is a big issue with me as well. Last night I tried a different supplement to see if it would help. Glycine is the product it tastes just like sugar I took 1 G with each meal and 1 G before I went to bed. Went to sleep like I was on Xanax, slept almost 3 hours before the first bathroom break and a little bit over 4 hours after the second break. This is a new record for me in the positive direction.

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@nabulldog

Have you started any rounds of probiotics following the completion of your Augmentin? If I take an antibiotic I will take probiotics after completion to get my gut bacteria back in order. That could also be a contributor to your sleep issues. I use Garden of Life colon care probiotics. That product has the correct strains of bacteria which contribute to the production of Gaba which in turn induces sleep. Insomnia is a big issue with me as well. Last night I tried a different supplement to see if it would help. Glycine is the product it tastes just like sugar I took 1 G with each meal and 1 G before I went to bed. Went to sleep like I was on Xanax, slept almost 3 hours before the first bathroom break and a little bit over 4 hours after the second break. This is a new record for me in the positive direction.

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I just ran out of probiotics, the refrigerated kind. During the Augmentin I was taking them 2 hrs before and after between 8-hour doses, adding yogurt to the mix. Post op, the same for those 8 days of treatment post op. Light fibrous eating. I had no diarrhea, in fact it went the other way and I needed to drink psyllium powder like Metamucil together with coffee to stimulate bowel movement. Moving around helps, walking, etc. That's the rub. If I move with moderation from now on, I hope this will move things forward some. I continue with yogurt, unsweetened.
Those probiotics really do the trick. I'll look into Garden of life and Glycine. I take 10mg Valium with 50mg hydroxizine (drowsy antihistamine), I've been taking Valium for years. I still have insomnia. I am in a situational stress that's challenging me, I'll spare the details, during this recovery time.

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@delmar418

I just ran out of probiotics, the refrigerated kind. During the Augmentin I was taking them 2 hrs before and after between 8-hour doses, adding yogurt to the mix. Post op, the same for those 8 days of treatment post op. Light fibrous eating. I had no diarrhea, in fact it went the other way and I needed to drink psyllium powder like Metamucil together with coffee to stimulate bowel movement. Moving around helps, walking, etc. That's the rub. If I move with moderation from now on, I hope this will move things forward some. I continue with yogurt, unsweetened.
Those probiotics really do the trick. I'll look into Garden of life and Glycine. I take 10mg Valium with 50mg hydroxizine (drowsy antihistamine), I've been taking Valium for years. I still have insomnia. I am in a situational stress that's challenging me, I'll spare the details, during this recovery time.

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I tried Valium one time and it made me sick.

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@nabulldog

I tried Valium one time and it made me sick.

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So many different things I'm starting to lose track. The latest was herbs. Skullcap passion flower and lemon balm. The skull cap made me sleepy I didn't really get any effect from Passion Flower or lemon balm. The way passion flower supposed to work is it actually blocks the regenerative process of Gaba going back into your system basically it clogs or shuts off the exit port so you have more Gaba in your system. I mentioned glycine because it is crucial in the production of Gaba and a lot of other neuro Connections in your system. You could add it gradually into your diet and see if you can get off or lower gradually the Valium that you're on. Like I said I've tried all kinds of different stuff. I just recently got off the Xanax and that was very very rough. Three nights of almost no sleep. Maybe an hour each night. Anxiety and insomnia is one of the most difficult things I've ever had to deal with. Honestly I think I slept better before the surgery. When I had all the stress. Until last night when I tried the glycine. I was also looking at inositol if the glassing didn't work. I also ordered some product from troscriptions.com, tro calm and tro zzz. I haven't received them yet I'm hoping I don't have to use them

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@nabulldog

So many different things I'm starting to lose track. The latest was herbs. Skullcap passion flower and lemon balm. The skull cap made me sleepy I didn't really get any effect from Passion Flower or lemon balm. The way passion flower supposed to work is it actually blocks the regenerative process of Gaba going back into your system basically it clogs or shuts off the exit port so you have more Gaba in your system. I mentioned glycine because it is crucial in the production of Gaba and a lot of other neuro Connections in your system. You could add it gradually into your diet and see if you can get off or lower gradually the Valium that you're on. Like I said I've tried all kinds of different stuff. I just recently got off the Xanax and that was very very rough. Three nights of almost no sleep. Maybe an hour each night. Anxiety and insomnia is one of the most difficult things I've ever had to deal with. Honestly I think I slept better before the surgery. When I had all the stress. Until last night when I tried the glycine. I was also looking at inositol if the glassing didn't work. I also ordered some product from troscriptions.com, tro calm and tro zzz. I haven't received them yet I'm hoping I don't have to use them

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If the glycine didn't work.

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@nabulldog

I tried Valium one time and it made me sick.

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Yeah, it's longer-acting, not for everyone. I take it at night only, or in the rare event of an extreme panic episode. I don't pop it like candy. I tried getting off of it years ago- you wouldn't believe it. Tremendous respect for it to not abuse it. It's been so long that I am accustomed to the dosage, so I add the antihistamine with it adjunct so I don't have to take more. Benzos are extremely powerful, many professionals do not know about the tapering technique "Ashton Manual."

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@nabulldog

So many different things I'm starting to lose track. The latest was herbs. Skullcap passion flower and lemon balm. The skull cap made me sleepy I didn't really get any effect from Passion Flower or lemon balm. The way passion flower supposed to work is it actually blocks the regenerative process of Gaba going back into your system basically it clogs or shuts off the exit port so you have more Gaba in your system. I mentioned glycine because it is crucial in the production of Gaba and a lot of other neuro Connections in your system. You could add it gradually into your diet and see if you can get off or lower gradually the Valium that you're on. Like I said I've tried all kinds of different stuff. I just recently got off the Xanax and that was very very rough. Three nights of almost no sleep. Maybe an hour each night. Anxiety and insomnia is one of the most difficult things I've ever had to deal with. Honestly I think I slept better before the surgery. When I had all the stress. Until last night when I tried the glycine. I was also looking at inositol if the glassing didn't work. I also ordered some product from troscriptions.com, tro calm and tro zzz. I haven't received them yet I'm hoping I don't have to use them

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Yeah, okay, so I see that you have been exploring your GABA options. I have also looked into supplements, to add to taper. Benzos supplant the regulatory processes of GABA receptors, hence the physiologic dependency. GABA's cover a huge range of biologic regulatory and metabolic systems. I have somewhere a list of those supplements, as yet my situation isn't stable enough to start a 1.5 year taper. Valium, is said to be the base benzo that those "in the know" take you down to in order to start a taper, which in the principal reason I have stuck with it, it has a long half-life.
It's nice to chat with you in that you're digging into the alternatives. I want to extend a resounding thank you! On that note, I found something interesting that I suspected about electrolytes, pee cloudiness, renal, muscle weakness, exertion exhaustion, etc. The search term hit me like a meatball so I typed it in. I'll put the link here, as many of us have taken antibiotics over the course of our treatments, when I found this, I made my own electrolyte solution and guess what? My urine runs clearly, since my last mention to you about cloudiness. Correlation? I don't know. But this paper makes sense about hypokalemia-

https://www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/12/2/240
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@nabulldog

I had semen coming out just thinking about sex. I didn't have to touch it
at all. This happened pretty early on after the procedure I think it was
like, 3 weeks. At one point I could actually get a teaspoon of semen out.
That's not the case now, however the organs are much better.
Like I said in my earlier post I have no regrets. I'm still amazed that I
can go to the bathroom without the extreme stress I had pre-op.

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I posted an update. After my visit today with the surgeon to get the pathology results and deal with online BS with the Spanish government, I tried to post again here after I found "here," but they tell me I already posted somewhere else. It's okay, I needed raisins with the oatmeal that is now my brain.

They found a cancer tumor in the prostate gland that was morcellated. Now, it didn't show up on the MRI months prior to HoLEP. They clocked it at a Gleason score of T1a for a 0.5 mm tumor undetectable from imaging post-prostatectomy. The prognosis isn't grim, it's a PSA 4 months from today to determine if any spread to the prostate capsule. If it has, or does, then the PSA will register an antigen number. Right now, as I understand it, it should be 0.0 because there's no prostate, right? What I'm wondering is how the hell do they know where the tumor was after it was morcellated? Anyway, that's the scoop. No hopes or expectations, it is what it is, without any concrete info might as well get my mental constitution back so I can get out of the 1.5 year protracted shock and start life anew.

I suspected something was there, I was surprised it was that small.

Keep well.

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