COVID Vaccines & Spreading COVID Efficacy

Posted by lyoness @lyoness, Jun 5 10:41pm

Do the Moderna, J&J/J and the Pfizer vaccines all prevent people vaccinated from spreading COVID19?

I received both Pfizer Covid vaccinations in March 2021. I already tested positive for "Long-Term Antibodies," and assume that was the result of the rib-breaking, coughing illness from March 2020. The beginning of April 2021, two-weeks after being vaccinated, I became very, very ill. The hospital tested me for Covid, and it came back positive! One week ago, I went for a heart test because of constant Shortness of Breath (SOB). The thought being that my heart may have been damaged from having Covid twice. As I chatted with the technician at this small town (population approximately 10,000) hospital, she related something that greatly shocked me. When i told her that I came down with Covid AFTER being totally vaccinated, she told me that a large number of people have told her the same thing. If this is true, then it would appear that the vaccination itself must be infecting people. This is getting to be very disturbing. I am still suffering, have SOB, have lost half my hair, am fatigued, have pins and needles feelings in feet, etc. I would think this vaccination revelation needs to be investigated, as the people have a right to know what is going into their bodies. So, to answer your question, Do the Moderna, J&J/J and the Pfizer vaccines all prevent people vaccinated from spreading COVID19," the answer to that would have to be "NO." The vaccine appears to be TRANSMITTING the virus in many people, which would make them contagious. Thank-you

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@thomason Please be careful with applying your personal experience and rumors to the general population. Just because you feel it happened to you and you heard about others with the same experience which then validates your feelings, does not mean it is happening to the general population. I am sorry for your condition and wish you well but we do not know what happened to you. The coincidence of events is not enough evidence for definitive conclusions.

Best always,
s!
Scott Jensen

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@scottij

@thomason Please be careful with applying your personal experience and rumors to the general population. Just because you feel it happened to you and you heard about others with the same experience which then validates your feelings, does not mean it is happening to the general population. I am sorry for your condition and wish you well but we do not know what happened to you. The coincidence of events is not enough evidence for definitive conclusions.

Best always,
s!
Scott Jensen

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@scottij, I would not expect a professional technician to be spreading rumors, although it is possible, and I never said it was happening to the general population. You say you do not know what happened to me, yet I do! I came down with Covid two-weeks after being vaccinated. My post stated that for the welfare of the people, the situation needs to be examined. You say "The coincidence of events is not enough evidence for definitive conclusions." That is very true. In my post, I stated "I would think this vaccination revelation needs to be investigated, as the people have a right to know what is going into their bodies."

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@thomason You’ve certainly had a time of it with your illness and lung disease. It also sounds like you’re a ‘long hauler’ from the Covid virus. I’m sorry you’re having to deal with all of these health issues. It has to be exhausting and frustrating for you. We have a good discussion group regarding Covid long-haulers which you might find interesting. https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/long-hauler/?pg=1#comment-601780

Thank you for sharing your experience with getting Covid for a second time after being fully vaccinated. It can and does happen. As with any vaccination, it is given to teach the body how to recognize and fight the virus. It doesn’t mean it will prevent it 100%. Also, people can have the virus without symptoms and be the carriers/spreaders to others. That’s why it’s still important to follow proper virus protocol even when vaccinated when you have an underlying health concern.

Reading some of your past discussions you have some serious lung issues going on. You’ve been treated with very strong antibiotics and steroids. Both of which can leave you with a compromised or weakened immune system. For that reason, even though you’ve been vaccinated and that you were shown to be positive for Covid antibodies, it doesn’t mean your immune system has built up sufficient immunity to the Covid Virus. So you can catch it again. You were shown to have ‘long term’ antibodies. Unfortunately no one can determine yet how long the antibodies will remain effective. The data on that is sparse as the virus simply hasn’t been around long enough to determine that information.

The vaccine CAN NOT spread Covid-19. None of the Covid Vaccines contain live virus. That is sadly a false rumor with no validity. It’s harmful that someone in the medical profession would share that myth as it does nothing to help with mitigating this pandemic situation.

Wishing you good health…Lori.

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@loribmt

@thomason You’ve certainly had a time of it with your illness and lung disease. It also sounds like you’re a ‘long hauler’ from the Covid virus. I’m sorry you’re having to deal with all of these health issues. It has to be exhausting and frustrating for you. We have a good discussion group regarding Covid long-haulers which you might find interesting. https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/long-hauler/?pg=1#comment-601780

Thank you for sharing your experience with getting Covid for a second time after being fully vaccinated. It can and does happen. As with any vaccination, it is given to teach the body how to recognize and fight the virus. It doesn’t mean it will prevent it 100%. Also, people can have the virus without symptoms and be the carriers/spreaders to others. That’s why it’s still important to follow proper virus protocol even when vaccinated when you have an underlying health concern.

Reading some of your past discussions you have some serious lung issues going on. You’ve been treated with very strong antibiotics and steroids. Both of which can leave you with a compromised or weakened immune system. For that reason, even though you’ve been vaccinated and that you were shown to be positive for Covid antibodies, it doesn’t mean your immune system has built up sufficient immunity to the Covid Virus. So you can catch it again. You were shown to have ‘long term’ antibodies. Unfortunately no one can determine yet how long the antibodies will remain effective. The data on that is sparse as the virus simply hasn’t been around long enough to determine that information.

The vaccine CAN NOT spread Covid-19. None of the Covid Vaccines contain live virus. That is sadly a false rumor with no validity. It’s harmful that someone in the medical profession would share that myth as it does nothing to help with mitigating this pandemic situation.

Wishing you good health…Lori.

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@loribmt, Thank-you, for the reply. What you say is very true, and since the vaccine contains no live virus, it would be impossible to transmit it in that manner. However, I am a very active person, and am around many different people on a daily basis. It is odd, (thank God) that I do not get colds, or flu…just Covid! And, yes, the technician probably should not have shared that information, but she did. Right after the last shot, I felt ill, and it just kept getting worse. It really makes no sense.

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@thomason It’s wonderful you have great health otherwise! Let’s just say, Covid plays by its own set of rules. 😉

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@thomason

@scottij, I would not expect a professional technician to be spreading rumors, although it is possible, and I never said it was happening to the general population. You say you do not know what happened to me, yet I do! I came down with Covid two-weeks after being vaccinated. My post stated that for the welfare of the people, the situation needs to be examined. You say "The coincidence of events is not enough evidence for definitive conclusions." That is very true. In my post, I stated "I would think this vaccination revelation needs to be investigated, as the people have a right to know what is going into their bodies."

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As @loribmt mentioned, those of us who use/have used steroids have a less robust immune response to the vaccines. My daughter and I fall into that category, and will probably have our antibody levels tested in a few months.

You also stated "Right after the last shot, I felt ill, and it just kept getting worse." That leads me to believe you already had been exposed to Covid before your second injection, which offers about 50% protection at best, especially since you are around a lot of people.

If the vaccine were capable of spreading the virus, the number of cases would be going UP as people are vaccinated, not dramatically down as it is. And if the vaccine were ineffective, the numbers again would be going UP as businesses open and masks are being shed, but again, it continues to go down.

Please trust the science in spite of a random remark. And you are correct, the technician should not have shared anecdotal information with you as fact.
Sue

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Hi All, This is such a challenging situation. I am very saddened that people are getting ill regardless of how. I send my best healing thoughts and prayers to all!!! I still really don't have an answer to my first question. I am figuring it is because we really don't know. Do you think that is the only answer right now? If you feel you do know, I would love to hear about it. Thanks for all of your help and responses to my question. They are greatly appreciated. Here's the question again. Do the Moderna, J&J/J and the Pfizer vaccines all prevent people vaccinated from spreading COVID19?

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@scottij

@thomason Please be careful with applying your personal experience and rumors to the general population. Just because you feel it happened to you and you heard about others with the same experience which then validates your feelings, does not mean it is happening to the general population. I am sorry for your condition and wish you well but we do not know what happened to you. The coincidence of events is not enough evidence for definitive conclusions.

Best always,
s!
Scott Jensen

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Parsing e-mails for misunderstanding and errors is an endless task which benefits neither of us. I will leave it at that

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@scottij

Parsing e-mails for misunderstanding and errors is an endless task which benefits neither of us. I will leave it at that

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I have a right to my opinion, and I understand you perfectly well.

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Again, I do not want to parse our e-mails nor do I want to be angry with you. My light apology did not work so here is a direct one. I am sorry I offended you. You can either stay angry with me or accept it. Along with your opinion that choice is yours
Best always,
s!
Scott Jensen

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@scottij

Again, I do not want to parse our e-mails nor do I want to be angry with you. My light apology did not work so here is a direct one. I am sorry I offended you. You can either stay angry with me or accept it. Along with your opinion that choice is yours
Best always,
s!
Scott Jensen

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Dear @scottij, what statement above projects anger? We all have a right to state our opinions, and I understand what you said about the vaccination. Your opinion is important, and no-one is angry. I appreciate the valid feedback. Also, thank-you for adding a new word to my vocabulary, "parse." I have never heard that word before today! Cool!

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