Aortic Aneurysms - 4.5CM - Bicuspid Valve

Posted by Fighter @niravani, Sep 4 3:51pm

I am 50 year old male and diagnose with Aneurysms by accident through CT scan. 4.5CM was the measurement in December 2023. Since I met with Cardiologist and Surgeon and they ask to repeat CT scan and ECHO 6-month later.
I did re-test those and pretty much CT scan showed 4.6CM but a note that compare to the last one, its unchanged and stable.
My Dr. ask to do again in December and if its stable, repeat only ever year.
I went to Cleveland Clinic yesterday as I want to do my surgery there when it comes a time and they did the ECHO that showed my aneurysm of 5.3CM!!!! How is that possible? I just had my ECHO and CT scan in June (2months ago) and they both were 4.6CM and 4.3CM respectively and how Cleveland Clinic result is 5.3CM?

AORTA
The visualized aorta is dilated.
Measurements - Sinus: 3.5 cm.
Mid ascending aorta 4.7 cm.
Distal ascending aorta 5.3 cm.
Mid arch 2.9 cm.

This is scary and don't know what to do! Any advise? Any similar experience?

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@niravani

Thank you.
If I go with just highest reading ignoring all 5 previous tests (2 ECHO + 2 CT + 1 TEE), all showing highest being 4.6. New ECHO showing 5.3 and especially within 3 months, doesn't make sense. Going to the highest reading, which is 5.3 will put in surgery now as I also have bicuspid valve and they would operate at 5.0CM.
I am not sure, if someone else is in the same boat and when it comes to test, is ECHO vs. CT scan results are comparable or CT is much of a gold standard?

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I'd recommend another scan and/or have a second doc review the earlier echo's. I found my scans on my 'portal' and was able to use their dimension measurement tool to take some measurements of my own and I can attest that you have to be very careful to take measurements in exactly the same manner or your results could be different.

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@niravani

Thank you. I did gave them all the results from precious CT and ECHO and they advise it’s all stable.
Then they did their own ECHO and result showing 5.3CM!
They have no good answer. They don’t understand how this can grow 1CM in less than 3 months or it’s an error or anything.
My current cardiologist order me a new CT at the end of this month to confirm which I will do.

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I have a similar situation.
Ascending CT was originally 5.4 and after a second trip to the ER (for issues related to the 7.9 AAA surgery in Feb) they did an Echo and it was 6.08. Just had my second CT scan yesterday and it was now 5.6 after 6 months. Either way I crossed the line for surgery. I was just happy not to have a fourth.

2. Fusiform aneurysmal dilatation of the ascending thoracic aorta measures 5.8 x 5.6 cm , previously 5.7 x 5.3 cm in similar region. 3. Fusiform aneurysmal dilatation of the infrarenal aorta measures up to 4.1 x 3.9 cm, previously 4.0 x 3.8 cm.

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@niravani

Thank you for your detail response, I appreciate it.
I did spoke with the cardiologist at Cleveland clinic about the results. She was very confused herself and didn't have a good answer. She said that I need to follow up with my own cardiologist and have another CT scan done to compare this ECHO results, which I just have done CT scan in June showing 4.6CM (not 5.3).
My regular cardiologist said that ECHO is not reliable at all and especially where they measure Aorta size is very subjective and he would consider only CT as a benchmark and gold standard!
To peace myself, I have set-up another CT scan at the end of September to see what it shows.

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This is good to know. I didn't know about the difference between the ECHO and the CT. I hope you get some information that puts your mind at ease.

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@niravani

Thank you for your detail response, I appreciate it.
I did spoke with the cardiologist at Cleveland clinic about the results. She was very confused herself and didn't have a good answer. She said that I need to follow up with my own cardiologist and have another CT scan done to compare this ECHO results, which I just have done CT scan in June showing 4.6CM (not 5.3).
My regular cardiologist said that ECHO is not reliable at all and especially where they measure Aorta size is very subjective and he would consider only CT as a benchmark and gold standard!
To peace myself, I have set-up another CT scan at the end of September to see what it shows.

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Met with my cardio today and he also said ECHO is not the total picture He also ordered a chest CTA to evaluate aneurysm.

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Dear Fighter
It must be frustrating dealing with those inconsistencies, especially when it comes to something as critical as heart and aneurysm measurements. Variations in scan readings between clinics can be due to several factors, including:
1-Differences in equipment,
-The skill and experience of the technicians,
-The software used for interpreting the scans,
-The protocols followed for the measurements.
To avoid discrepancies; we must eliminate & if possible avoid variation factors as much as possible‼️
Good Luck
Love & Light
♥️🙏🏻♥️

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Sorry you are going through this, but welcome to the club. I also have a bicuspid valve and a thoracic ascending aortic aneurysm. I've had yearly echos to monitor until May of this year when cardiologist recommended a CT angiogram and referred me to a cardiac surgeon for consultation. My last echo in Dec 2023 measured aorta at 3.6cm, then in May 2024, radiologist reported aorta at 4.0. But when surgeon reviewed the same CT scan, he measured a range between 4.1 and 4.3. His explanation was that a CT is most accurate for the aorta measurement because of the multiple x-sectional slices they they look at, where an echo is better at looking at the dynamic movement of the blood flow and valve functioning. Also some of the x-sections may be cut obliquely (angled), and not square, which can result in a higher number. It's all very confusing at times. IMO, bottom line, CT should be more accurate and it's best to have the same cardiologist or cardiac surgeon review comparison studies. I will have second CT scan in December to look at rate of growth. I don't think my surgeon plans to go back to an echo for monitoring the aneurysm, but only for the valve which so far is functioning ok. Good luck and keep us posted.

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@kathyflo

Sorry you are going through this, but welcome to the club. I also have a bicuspid valve and a thoracic ascending aortic aneurysm. I've had yearly echos to monitor until May of this year when cardiologist recommended a CT angiogram and referred me to a cardiac surgeon for consultation. My last echo in Dec 2023 measured aorta at 3.6cm, then in May 2024, radiologist reported aorta at 4.0. But when surgeon reviewed the same CT scan, he measured a range between 4.1 and 4.3. His explanation was that a CT is most accurate for the aorta measurement because of the multiple x-sectional slices they they look at, where an echo is better at looking at the dynamic movement of the blood flow and valve functioning. Also some of the x-sections may be cut obliquely (angled), and not square, which can result in a higher number. It's all very confusing at times. IMO, bottom line, CT should be more accurate and it's best to have the same cardiologist or cardiac surgeon review comparison studies. I will have second CT scan in December to look at rate of growth. I don't think my surgeon plans to go back to an echo for monitoring the aneurysm, but only for the valve which so far is functioning ok. Good luck and keep us posted.

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Thank you so much for writing this! I've been trying to find other people with both BAV and aneurysm. Based on what I'm reading it seems like my Dr is ordering the correct tests. Best of luck to you as well.

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Please be aware there is a difference between the ascending and descending aorta. Those numbers do not show growth, but rather, a different place in the aorta. Your providers may, in fact, want to evaluate the size of your aorta all the way down to your hips. All the advice on this site apply to you. Keep your BP down and no "bench presses" AND...follow up with your cardiology team regularly. There is no specified size of the aorta that pulls the surgery card unless it grows suddenly or over 8 cm. Different parts of the country and different surgeons have different criteria. I acknowledge that it can be a worry. They followed my ascending aorta of 4.5 for 14 years as it gradually creeped up in size - and I lived my normal life. I had my surgery at age 78 . I was surprised that the sternal incision was not very painful. The challenging thing was the slower than expected recovery of strength. Staying optimistic is the best thing you can do.

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Oh, and another issue- the BV. Studies show that the lining of the blood vessels in the aorta can be more prone to aneurysm in individual with BV. However, there are also many who live their entire life with the BV only. As I stated in an earlier post- they often wait to fix the slow growing aneurysm until the BV starts to deteriorate.

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Hello Everyone, so Cleveland clinic Cardiologist don't really know as how ECHO can show so much different results then my previous 2 ECO, 1 TEE and 2 CT scans! My highest to-date result is 4.6CM through CT in June 2024 so having this to grow from 4.6CM to 5.3CM in 2 months is puzzling.

I am going for my CT scan tonight and will see, what is right and wrong but will post to this group to let everyone know so if someone in the same boat, can at least have some reference and guidance unlike me.

Thank you all.

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