Stage 3 Kidney Disease and Diet: What can I eat?

Posted by carnes @carnes, Jun 11, 2018

It seems there is very little you can eat that is healthy for the Kidneys. The web site Davida has plenty of food on it but contradicts what other sources say. Anyone know anything for breakfast, lunch and dinner that does not have any sugar or flour bodies the obvious boring or bland foods good for Kidneys and I’m allergic to sugar of any kind of sweetener and flour. Thank you.

@australia

Hi Kamama 94 from Georgia/Australia RE: PAIN MANAGEMENT. Went to emergency with hip 10/10 pain. Said I have kidney limitations so what is my top limit with pain meds.??? DA ! DA! they had not a clue. I gave them the phone number of my kidney guy. Your Nephrologist is the one to talk to about any pain meds. as he know the meds and level that suit your kidneys. And how to taper on and off levels of meds. Worked for me 100%

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@australia, Hi! I have enjoyed your posts! Yep, pain management was my nursing specialty before I retired, also had experience w/dialysis patients so am aware that about the only thing I can take for post-herpetic pain is hydrocodone v-e-r-y limited, no other NSAIDS and no other narcs – can't tolerate morphone and all narcs can accumulate when the kidneys can't filter them fast enough or at all. Gabapentin never helped my diabetic neuropathy so neph and I figured why throw it at what's left of my only remaining kidney if it won't work for pain post shingles. Now that the worst has passed (I hope!) my usual endorphine-release strategies are working again – deep breathing, meditation, distraction, interacting with my service dog. . BTW, nice to meet a fellow so-called "difficult" patient like me..

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@australia

Mikek206 from Georgia/Australia. The paperback is "Lifespan" by David Sinclair. Read Chapter 4 and the plan is on page 304. Your HRT doctor should be able to help you if you want to do it. She would your body.

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To Mikek206 from Georgia/Australia. Any book shop for sure.

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@kamama94

@australia, Hi! I have enjoyed your posts! Yep, pain management was my nursing specialty before I retired, also had experience w/dialysis patients so am aware that about the only thing I can take for post-herpetic pain is hydrocodone v-e-r-y limited, no other NSAIDS and no other narcs – can't tolerate morphone and all narcs can accumulate when the kidneys can't filter them fast enough or at all. Gabapentin never helped my diabetic neuropathy so neph and I figured why throw it at what's left of my only remaining kidney if it won't work for pain post shingles. Now that the worst has passed (I hope!) my usual endorphine-release strategies are working again – deep breathing, meditation, distraction, interacting with my service dog. . BTW, nice to meet a fellow so-called "difficult" patient like me..

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Hi Kamama94 from Georgia/Australia. I would like to call "pain management department" –"pain elimination department " YES. !!! I thought that was the point of it. ?

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@TonyHart87

@fiesty76, Yes I do work at Mayo Clinic (9 years!). I work in Marketing and run their advocate program called Mayo Clinic Champions. It's to help those who've been to Mayo Clinic amplify their word of mouth about their experience. I really enjoy the work. Yes, COVID-19 has shifted our work and we're all learning a lot of new things, like getting to moderate for this wonderful Kidney & Bladder group.

@australia – We're always up for entertainment. And you certainly could teach everyone a thing or two about advocating for yourself as a patient.

@gingerw – it sounds like you have a good system down for following your healthy kidney diet and staying safe. What's the go-to snack for these trips?

@kamama94 – So glad to hear from you. So sorry about your pain and life-upending. Change is tough, especially when it comes with pain. I'm glad that you are still staying involved but definitely do what you need to to take care of yourself!

I'm wondering if anyone else has had pre-dialysis vascular surgery? What was the recovery like?

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@TonyHart87, Thank you for giving us more of a peek inside what you do professionally with Mayo in the mktg. dept and Clinic Champions' program. Hats off to all, whether professional staff or volunteer advocates, working to "spread the word" to others about Mayo's many services. Becoming a member of the Connect Kidney and Bladder forum has made the single biggest positive difference in my learning better ways of managing ckd. Nice to get to send a big personal TX Thank You for moderating this group in particular!

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I second what TonyHart87 just said. Hats off, well done.

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@TonyHart87

Hey @mikek206. I see you've been a member for a bit but this is your first post, so welcome! Don't we all wish medical research/breakthroughs came out faster!? What's currently working best for you with your diet?

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Just Trying To Stay away from all these foods that the Kidneys has a hard time coping with…

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@mikek206

Hope it gets out sooner than that…

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Hi dear darlingtondoll, from Georgia in Australia –Read the paperback Lifespan by David Sinclair of Harvard Med. School –Chapter 4. It is in layman's terms. The plan is on page 304. See what you think ?
The simplistic, genetic explanation for that is — it increases the accuracy of the making of your new cells, because it put back into circulation in your body the "stuff" that you "used to have when you were younger that made you able to program cell division accurately and to repair cells completely and accurately when they were damaged. " Those are "near to" Davids's videos." He tell you how the body does it . Fascinating. I have lost some sensory nerves and I am hoping they are repaired. ???
I have told you I teach biotech and physics so I have done a lot of reading on his work. I am trying the program — even though it is only in trial now at Harvard.
That is me. ?? If you ask your GP don't be surprised if he or she has never heard of it.
I want to think of "old age" without multiple organ and systems breakdowns. That would be nice. ??? I will take a before and after picture, YES?? I am 85—-"What is that Movie? Back to the Future with Michael J. Fox. !!!

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With your restrictions I would suggest speaking to a renal dietitian

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Good news for a change. Despite shingles and yeast infection my renal function has climbed from eGFR of 24 up to 37, BUN and creatinine are down, A1C is 4.9 on almost no short-acting insulin, Hg has improved, everything else is normal or stable. I'll be able to get back to compiling the new recipes which include some things which we once were told to avoid or limit but which manufacturers and/or growers have adjusted to be more kidney-friendly.

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@veteran1950

I just found out about mashed potatoes which I love but do not eat. I googled a recipe for mashed cauliflour and wound up eating the entire healthy vegetable. It is very good. Suggest you give it a try using garlic. You won't be sorry.

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not only did we try it and loved it, we went out and bought a new , largest, chopper/grinder cuisinart that is able to handle a whole cauliflour at one time with garlic, of course.

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@australia

Hi dear darlingtondoll, from Georgia in Australia –Read the paperback Lifespan by David Sinclair of Harvard Med. School –Chapter 4. It is in layman's terms. The plan is on page 304. See what you think ?
The simplistic, genetic explanation for that is — it increases the accuracy of the making of your new cells, because it put back into circulation in your body the "stuff" that you "used to have when you were younger that made you able to program cell division accurately and to repair cells completely and accurately when they were damaged. " Those are "near to" Davids's videos." He tell you how the body does it . Fascinating. I have lost some sensory nerves and I am hoping they are repaired. ???
I have told you I teach biotech and physics so I have done a lot of reading on his work. I am trying the program — even though it is only in trial now at Harvard.
That is me. ?? If you ask your GP don't be surprised if he or she has never heard of it.
I want to think of "old age" without multiple organ and systems breakdowns. That would be nice. ??? I will take a before and after picture, YES?? I am 85—-"What is that Movie? Back to the Future with Michael J. Fox. !!!

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I got my book on Lifespan today. When I read page 304, I realized that I do most of what he does except taking resveratrol and metformin. I have to check them out. I have been taking most of the other things though. I can’t go for a walk, so I can only do a few exercises at home. I have kept my weight down to 120 pounds and am fairly strong. I want to live a bit longer and be healthy.

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Hi all, Today's member spotlight features @kamama94, a member well known to members of the Kidney group and especially those taking part in this discussion. Read her interview with @rosemarya to learn more about Kamama: what brought her to Mayo Clinic Connect, and how the conversations here inspired her to write a CKD-friendly cookbook. You'll also get an inside glimpse into Kamama, Bucky, chocolate and Cherokee – now that's a recipe for intriguing, right?

– A Recipe for Connection, Conversation and Living with CKD: Meet @kamama94 https://connect.mayoclinic.org/page/about-connect/newsfeed-post/a-recipe-for-connection-conversation-and-living-with-ckd-meet-kamama94/

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Not all processed foods are bad.

Today’s menu (for Mexican food lovers but not too spicy):

Bkfst Burrito 206.7 cal, 224.8 mg P, 345 mg K, 218.3 mg Na, 5 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates
1 Azteca® corn tortilla 46.7 cal, 66 mg P, 59 mg K, 1.7 mg Na, 1 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates
½ scr egg (fridge raw unused half for later) 35 cal, 45 mg P, 35 mg K, less than 25.6 mg Na, 3 Gm prtn
¼ sl ea Follow Your Heart® pepperjack and provolone vegan chse 30 cal, 1 mg P, 1 mg K, 90 mg Na, 0 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates
1C leached potato shrds 70 cal, 112.8 mg P, 250 mg K, less than 5 mg+96=101 mg Na, 1 Gm prtn
1 tsp EVOO 30 cal, negligible minerals, 0 prtn, 0 phosphates

Vegan nugget snd/spud pups lnch 291.2 cal, 92.1 mg P, 287 mg K, 563.7 mg Na, 9.9 Gm prtn
2 BBQ vegan chisken flavor nuggets 100 cal, est 66 mg P, 95 mg K, 250 mg Na, 6 Gm prtn 0 phsphts listed but nugs breaded so bkng pwdr w/phos?
½ Hy-Vee® Hy-Waiian bun 75 cal, 13.4 mg P, 20.2 mg K, 80 mg Na, 2.5 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates in yeast bread
1 sl on 11.2 cal 8.2 mg P 40.8 mg K 1.2 mg Na 0.4 Gm prtn 0 phosphates
½ T honey mustard 15 cal, 2?mg P, 12? mg K, 37.5 mg Na, 0 prtn, 0 phosphates
½ svg leached potato shred pups 90 cal, less than 2.5 mg P, 149 mg K, 195 mg Na,1 Gm prtn, 0 phsphts except possibly in fertilizer when grown
Sm amt EVOO 20 cal, negligible minerals, 0 prtn, 0 phosphates

3 red bn burrs/sm sal dnnr 269 cal, 271.5 mg P, 429.2 mg K, 200 mg Na, 6.9 Gm prtn
3 Azteca® crn tortlls 140 cal, 198 mg P, 168 mg K, 5 mg Na, 3 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates
¼ C Hy-Vee® 0 Na added rd bns 54 cal, less than 58 mg P, 152 mg K, 5 mg Na, less than 3.4 Gm prtn, 0 phsphts
¼ sl ea pprj & reg vegan chse 30 cal, 1 mg P, 1 mg K, 90 mg Na, 0 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates
1 C lett shrds 5 cal, 14.4 mg P, 102 mg K, 5 mg Na, 0.5 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates
1 T famous original red sal drssng 40 cal, 0.1 mg P, 6.2 mg K, 95 mg Na, 0 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates

Extras 154.4 cal or less, 51.6 mg P or less, 208.8 mg K or less, 58.8 mg Na or less, 1.8 Gm prtn or less
Vegan yogurt 130 to 140 cal, 15 to 30 mg P, 5 to 94 mg K? 10 to 30 mg Na, 1 Gm prtn or less, 0 phosphates
6 half-C cof 14.4 cal, 21.6 mg P, 114.8 mg K, 28.8 mg Na, 0.8 Gm prtn, 0 phosphates

Total for day not counting 192 mg added NaCl at bkfst and 2 half svgs diabetic/kidney friendly snacks
925.3 cal 640 mg P 1195 mg K 1040.8 mg Na 23.6 Gm prtn very minimal phosphates

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@kamama94, This sounds yummie!

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SATURDAY MENU

Crncks/hsh brwns 257 cal 133.8 mg P 310.5 mg K 7.8+96=103.8 mg Na 3.9 Gm prtn 0 phosphates
Crncks (¼ C crnml/3 T water) 147 cal 42 mg P 60.5 mg K <2.8 mg Na <2.9 Gm prtn
1 C shredded hsh brwns 70 cal 112.8 mg P 250 mg K <5 mg Na 1 Gm prtn
EVOO 30 cal

BLT/potato bites 247.9 cal 59.8 mg P 303.2 mg K 385.4 mg Na 5.8 Gm prtn
Hy-Vee® Hy-Waiian sldr bun 80 cal 31.2 mg P 26 mg K 90 mg Na 3 Gm prtn 0 phosphates listed with ingredients on label
½ T Hy-Vee® imitation bac bits 16.7 cal 7.6 mg P 5 mg K 62 mg Na 1.1 Gm prtn 0 phosphates listed
1 sl on 11.2 cal 8.2 mg P 40.8 mg K 1.2 mg Na 0.4 Gm prtn 0 phosphates
1 sl Roma tomato, cut in 4ths 3.6 cal 4.8 mg P 47.4 mg K 1 mg Na 0.2 Gm prtn 0 phosphates
¼ C lett shrds 1.4 cal 3.6 mg P <25.2 mg K <1.2 mg Na <0.1 Gm prtn 0 phosphates
½ T mayo 45 cal 1.9 mg P <9.8 mg K 35 mg Na 0 Gm prtn (can sub vegan mayo) well-known name brand
lists 0 phosphates; permission not obtained to publish brand name so read llabels
5 organic, leached shredded baked potato bites 90 cal <2.5 mg P 149 mg K 195 mg Na 1 Gm prtn no phosphates listed on label;
no permission to use brand name so read labels

Sesame Noodles 386.3 cal 165.1 mg P 326.8 mg K 446.4 mg Na 9.1 Gm prtn
1 C dry measured then cooked Hy-Vee® vegan noodles 200 cal 108 mg P 127 mg K 0 mg Na 7 Gm prtn
1 T sesame flavored oil (not cooking oil) 130 cal 0 mg P 0mg K 0 mg Na 0 Gm prtn
½ C shredded cabb 17.3 cal 24.8 mg P 147 mg K 6 mg Na 1 Gm prtn
1 T diced onion 4 cal 2.9 mg P 14.6 mg K 0.4 mg Na 0.1 Gm prtn
1 T swt soy sce 35 cal 23.4? mg P 38.2? mg K 440 mg Na 1 Gm prtn – can sub lower Na kind

881.2 cal 358.7 mg P 940.5 mg K 935.6 mg Na 18.8 Gm prtn

Above menu does not include enough kidney-friendly vegetables so please be sure to include extras as sides accompanying meals

Please feel free to correct my math and substitute ingredients, otherwise tweak the menu, make suggestions, and tell me what you liked or disliked.

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