Covid and AFib Connection?
Hello Everyone,
I am curious and would like to ask this group a question. I have AFib but had not had an event for over a year except for last November. In early February of this year I took the Phizer Vaccine for Covid and had several Afib events with one lasting over a month even with cardioversion. I ended up having an ablation in May and the electrophysiologist found an enlarged and scarred atrium.
I have been doing well and am still on Flecainade, Metoporal and Eliquis. He is about to take the Flecainade away. It is time for my booster shot and I am scared that it will put me into Afib again. My Electrophysiologist and Cardiologist at Mayo said they don't feel that the vaccine had anything to do with my Afib events starting up again.
Has anyone here experienced this? I am debating whether or not to cancel my appointment next week or just take the shot. My doctors said it is better to take the booster than to get Covid.
Thoughts?
Thank You...Blessings to all of you during this trying time. CeCe55
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What disturbs me is the active crushing of any alternative to the mRNA vaccines. Recently a non MRNA vaccine completed trials with good results and was then cancelled because “it uses tobacco in the manufacturing cycle”. It doesn’t contain tobacco, but because it touched the evil plant you can’t have it but instead can have the dangerous mRNA products. This smacks of active interference by an organization. One that does not have the public hood in mind.
The risk benefit here is clear. Omicron is so mild many don’t know they have it. The most that a booster (of wrong variant btw) will do for you is lessen the viral load when you get infected but this benefit will fade. The mRNA vaccines contain actual COVID virus with two gene splices in the spike, but these do not alter the properties at the tips which I understand are involved in the blood vessel lining irritation and capillary clamp down them micro coagulation. If you are unlucky and the booster hits a blood vessel this is known to irritate the entire vascular system and heart. Your doctor can be partly forgiven as they are under pressure to repeat mantra. But I would not forgive that doctor as he has an obligation to inform himself. Still, if you must get boosted make sure you have your living will set up and so on. Also ask your Doctor about ACE meds on top of blood thinners (if these might help). The idea being that the ACE med might lessen the capillary clamping and the thinners (you are probably already taking) help reduce the powerful clotting induced by the vaccine. Maybe show this note to your doctor and pay attention to his reaction? Ask yourself if his reaction is consistent with a physician you want looking after you. Please let us know how this all plays out.
On my side I am waiting for my MRI to get a sense of my future. I might have nothing serious or opposite.
Had a bear faitnt episode three hours later.
I saw this post a couple weeks ago and felt no need to respond until I began to log a diary of my recent onset of AFib events. I have had arrhythmia all my life, PVCs and SVTs, but never any diagnosis of AFib until recently, over the past few months. My first AFib event was short, about ten minutes, but it was definitely alarming and different from all my years of experiencing palpitations (I am 75 years old). After that first 10-minute event that concerned me enough to contact a cardiologist, I had more events: one lasting 2 hours, then one lasting 7 hours, then one lasting 5 hours, and the last one two weeks ago lasting 50 minutes. These events took place from the first 10-minute on Oct 5, 2021 to the recent one two weeks ago. In the middle of that time I had a 14-day EKG monitor that discovered my AFib. The interesting thing about the first on Oct 5 is that I just realized that had had my Pfizer booster the day before on Oct 4. Hmmm. I have never been an anti-vaccer in any way, but now I guess I have to think hard about taking the next Covid booster.
To throw in another question, I take 50 mg Flecainide twice per day and 25 mg of metoprolol once per day. Had just the last 50-minute episode while on both drugs. If I go into AFib, cardiologist advises that I can take extra Flecainide and/or the metoprolol to try to simmer it down to normal rhythm. Has anybody done this successfully?
It would be useful if you'd cite some expert information about the recommendations you are making, rather than pose as a person with your own certitude absent medical science. As an A-fib victim for several years, I've had four mRNA vaccine shots without any effects on my heart rhythms. I haven't changed my will, living will, or meager funeral directions out of fear of vaccine effects.
Reading back I agree my recommendation to complete a living will was flippant. But on the other hand many would agree we should all have a living will in place.
You describe having had 4 vaccinations with no effect. But people like myself havre had strong reactions. It would be questionable to repeat that experiment. The next recommendation I made was to consult your doctor about possibly of adding an angiotensin II agonist. I believe some doctors are prescribing and others are not. It may be at this time somewhat “off label”, but there is a fairly widespread acceptance that it is reasonable. Read the abstract at ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7468676/
Or many others.
As with any medical intervention there are risks. The rate of of unwanted complications is not going to be either zero or one. But most of us expected that the trials data would have been collected in an objective manner. It was clearly not. See the Phizer releases and ask a trusted expert if the criteria for declaring myocarditis seems traditional or unusual. I expect you will conclude “unusual” or “absurd”.
The entire topic of COVID is so utterly political that it’s pointless to list a source as we can find sources that say anything A simple claim, such as “Omicron is typically mild” can now be checked by just about all of us directly. I have spoken with now about 25 people who had it, none were hospitalized. This tiny sample aligns with numerous open access data (like worldometer).
Do you think that I, after a heart attack and now AFib, should go get a 4th mRNA shot? Why?
What would be the risk benefit? Do you believe that Omicron is a lethal virus? Do you believe that mRNA vaccines are harmless to all? Do you believe that adverse reaction reporting is in place that is thorough and transparent? Why?
Your response to my question is to urge that I do the research to answer my own questions. You made the undocumented claims and incur the responsibility to document them -- not by "sources" but by expert testimony. What I "believe" is of no consequence, nor is what you believe unless you have evidence to back up your faith with fact. Is it possible that your A-fib reactions to vaccination were coincidental rather than causal? Some evidence to document causality would be nice to have.
In my case I had weird unsteady heartbeat after second shot then a heart attack. Catherization found no explanation for the heart attack nor did PET scan. About 5 weeks later I took a booster and next day my heartbeat became very erratic, missing more than one beat, some chest pain, to the point I thought the worst. My Doctor explained that since I was on two thinners risk of clot was low. This all cleared up except I had difficulty regaining fitness then maybe 10 weeks later got aFib. This is being investigated now, getting the halter soon, waiting MRI.
I believe the mRNA is the cause for me. Wonder if this will get better and what damage there is. A 4 th booster for me is a big no.
Meanwhile Omicron infection seems trivial.
As to your lone cited source of information, it is filed in "Med Hypotheses" in the National Library of Medicine, drafted 2 and a half years ago when the authors' admitted speculation reflected a then new guess that virus entry to cells where ACE2 enters might be crucial. That speculation became an instant concern to scientists designing the mRNA that the vaccines use to create conditions that are hostile to the coronavirus. They even went so far as to presume that this entry might interfere with the RAS and thereby affect blood pressure controls. Nothing about arrythmias in the heart, which is mentioned only once in the entire hypothetical paper from South Africa. In the final sentence of the abstract at the head of the paper, they assured us of their guesstimating: "We hypothesize that . . . renin-angiotensin-aldosterone MAY account for . . . biochemical and clinical abnormalities in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2." Not even a guess about arrythmias like A-fib.
The dominant Coronavirus version in the US is now Omicron BA.2 -- the second of the Omicron variants. Both are highly transmissible, far more than the Delta variant that preoccupied us in early 2020. It also has an unusual capacity to avoid immune response. Last week alone, 28,000 new hospitalizations from Omicron occurred and were reported to the CDC.
THAT AIN'T TRIVIAL! I'm wearing a mask wherever I go outside of home.