Extreme fatigue with MAC

Posted by src3acs @src3acs, Feb 26, 2018

Good Morning, I am new here so this may have been discussed before. I was diagnosed with MAC in 2012 after I was diagnosed with breast cancer. I had a biopsy and lung wedge resection...both confirmed the MAC. In 2015 I had a bronchoscope done which again confirmed the MAC and bronchiectasis. I have seen a Pulmonologist, infectious disease and my primary care doctor. Everyone seems up in the air whether to treat or not. They seem to be leaving the decision up to me. I don't have a cough, I do have some shortness of breath occasionally but I am always tired. No matter how much I rest or sleep.....I am tired and sometimes exhausted after minor activity. Is fatigue a main symptom of the disease. Would treatment help my fatigue or make is worse. Thank you!

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@windwalker

@src3acs, As far as treatment goes, different doctors have different ideas about how to treat mac/bronchiectasis. That is what makes it so frustrating for us patients. One thing for sure is, you must arm yourself with as much information as you can about it. That way you know what questions to ask and also things you can do to help your situation. I have been on this site since 2016. I have seen one person come back on here and say that she has gone through the Big 3 antibiotic regimen and is mac free and has been for years. We can speculate that others got better also and just left the site. I have asked that those who are concluding their treatment to please check back and let us know how they are doing. They can be the beacon of hope to others. @irene5, had once said that she wishes she had gotten the Big 3 antibiotics sooner because of lung deterioration. (that was you wasn't it Irene?) I cannot say for sure that my delay in a regimented treatment didn't cause my lungs to get to the point where they are at now, which is very low lung function. Please do not panic or get depressed because of your diagnosis. Everyone's experience with this is different. For example: look at @ling123, she is proof that we can have this disease at varying levels. For some it is a minor impairment, for others it can be deadly, and most of us are somewhere in the middle. There is a lot of good information on this site about dealing with this disease, how you get it, how you prevent re-infection, etc. Medical sites like Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and National Jewish Health are also good sources. It is important that you do the work to learn all that you can about. We are here for you!

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Terri: I was truly amazed by the support I just started to receive from this wonderful group of people, I notice you are now in Fredericksburg which is next to King George. My husband's family is in that area. I find I get more tired fighting the weather which I find oppressive. Does the weather affect you especially in the spring and summer?

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@windwalker

@src3acs, As far as treatment goes, different doctors have different ideas about how to treat mac/bronchiectasis. That is what makes it so frustrating for us patients. One thing for sure is, you must arm yourself with as much information as you can about it. That way you know what questions to ask and also things you can do to help your situation. I have been on this site since 2016. I have seen one person come back on here and say that she has gone through the Big 3 antibiotic regimen and is mac free and has been for years. We can speculate that others got better also and just left the site. I have asked that those who are concluding their treatment to please check back and let us know how they are doing. They can be the beacon of hope to others. @irene5, had once said that she wishes she had gotten the Big 3 antibiotics sooner because of lung deterioration. (that was you wasn't it Irene?) I cannot say for sure that my delay in a regimented treatment didn't cause my lungs to get to the point where they are at now, which is very low lung function. Please do not panic or get depressed because of your diagnosis. Everyone's experience with this is different. For example: look at @ling123, she is proof that we can have this disease at varying levels. For some it is a minor impairment, for others it can be deadly, and most of us are somewhere in the middle. There is a lot of good information on this site about dealing with this disease, how you get it, how you prevent re-infection, etc. Medical sites like Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and National Jewish Health are also good sources. It is important that you do the work to learn all that you can about. We are here for you!

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macjane....hello. I live in Fredericksburg VA. I do find the summer can be a little tough if the humidity is high. I also find I get out of breath when the weather is extremely cold. We've had a pretty mild winter here. Do you live close by?
I agree with you about the support on this site. In the short time (2 days) I've been on here I am learning so much. Wish I would have found this one sooner.

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@src3acs....agree with you totally Re this group....amazing...supportive...knowledgeable ...empathetic...,the list goes on. When you have time ( and energy) try to review from the start. When you do, you will come across links to various taped workshops given in the past Re NTM and treatment etc.
Also do you know about the site “NTMinfo.org”....interesting. With lots of links.
Questions /comments that I have after reading your messages and that of others
- have you had sputum cultures done...how many and their results?
-have you ever had a sleep study done to see if you have sleep apnea?
- are blood studies normal...do you have anemia?
- you mentioned cardiology... have you had a stress test and nuclear scan.,,,I ask cause 3 years ago I had extreme fatigue....BUT my EKG AND Stress test were normal.....my sharp cardiologist ordered

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@tdrell

@src3acs....agree with you totally Re this group....amazing...supportive...knowledgeable ...empathetic...,the list goes on. When you have time ( and energy) try to review from the start. When you do, you will come across links to various taped workshops given in the past Re NTM and treatment etc.
Also do you know about the site “NTMinfo.org”....interesting. With lots of links.
Questions /comments that I have after reading your messages and that of others
- have you had sputum cultures done...how many and their results?
-have you ever had a sleep study done to see if you have sleep apnea?
- are blood studies normal...do you have anemia?
- you mentioned cardiology... have you had a stress test and nuclear scan.,,,I ask cause 3 years ago I had extreme fatigue....BUT my EKG AND Stress test were normal.....my sharp cardiologist ordered

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@src3acs....continuation...my iPad rebelled......my sharp cardiologist ordered a nuclear scan which showed an issue..cardiac catheterization showed that my right coronary artery was 99% blocked....stents put in.....heart damage avoided...half of energy returned but within a few months I had the cough appear.
-might you have allergies....If I recall from visiting our son......your area has lots of greens etc.
- where might you have caught the NTM? American Thoracic Society (ATS) has called various parts of country hot beds..
Florida,,,SE Wisconsin where I live...Oregon and Arizona I believe,,,,Hawaii.
Hot tubs....soil....shower heads...hot water heaters...on and on
Tdrell

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@tdrell ....hi there and thank you for your response. Lets see where to start. I had an echocardiogram on my heart almost a year ago. Did a sleep test over the summer...all normal. Just has blood work done 2 months ago all normal expect my Vit. D is low again and I do take supplements every day. No sputum cultures because a biopsy, then wedge resection, and bronchoscope all showed positive for MAC. Yearly CT show the MAC and bronchiectasis. Where the MAC came from I do not know. Starting at age 17 I had a spontaneous pneumothorax......again in my early 20's and I was a smoker at the time. Had surgery on both my lungs by the time I was 21. Had a few bouts with pleurisy, in my 20's and 30's and had pneumonia 3x in my 30's. Quit smoking 16+ years ago and I'm in my early 50's now. Spent some time in hot tubs in my 20's and I've been to Florida several times. Like you said there is the shower head and soil. Yes, it's very green where I live but I have never had allergies. Not to say I can't get them now. I have had shortness of breath for a year or so now and I use ProAir Respiclick when needed......the fatigue would come and go.....now it's here more often. By 2pm yesterday I wanted to crawl under my desk and take a nap. Today not as tired. I over sleep just about every morning! To be honest...sometimes I am just too tired to take a shower. Going for a pulmonology follow-up the 12th. Maybe I need a new pulm function test to see if there are any changes.

I will say I am happy to hear you caught the blockage in your heart before there was any damage.

I am so grateful for the responses I am getting from everyone. I will take a look around and see what other information I can find. Thank you!

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@src3acs

@tdrell ....hi there and thank you for your response. Lets see where to start. I had an echocardiogram on my heart almost a year ago. Did a sleep test over the summer...all normal. Just has blood work done 2 months ago all normal expect my Vit. D is low again and I do take supplements every day. No sputum cultures because a biopsy, then wedge resection, and bronchoscope all showed positive for MAC. Yearly CT show the MAC and bronchiectasis. Where the MAC came from I do not know. Starting at age 17 I had a spontaneous pneumothorax......again in my early 20's and I was a smoker at the time. Had surgery on both my lungs by the time I was 21. Had a few bouts with pleurisy, in my 20's and 30's and had pneumonia 3x in my 30's. Quit smoking 16+ years ago and I'm in my early 50's now. Spent some time in hot tubs in my 20's and I've been to Florida several times. Like you said there is the shower head and soil. Yes, it's very green where I live but I have never had allergies. Not to say I can't get them now. I have had shortness of breath for a year or so now and I use ProAir Respiclick when needed......the fatigue would come and go.....now it's here more often. By 2pm yesterday I wanted to crawl under my desk and take a nap. Today not as tired. I over sleep just about every morning! To be honest...sometimes I am just too tired to take a shower. Going for a pulmonology follow-up the 12th. Maybe I need a new pulm function test to see if there are any changes.

I will say I am happy to hear you caught the blockage in your heart before there was any damage.

I am so grateful for the responses I am getting from everyone. I will take a look around and see what other information I can find. Thank you!

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Src3acs.....wow you have had thorough work ups! I had had echocardiograms every 2 years that showed no evidence of the blockage of the coronary artery. Echos looks at the size , structure and movement of various parts of heart❤️Tdrell

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@windwalker

@src3acs, As far as treatment goes, different doctors have different ideas about how to treat mac/bronchiectasis. That is what makes it so frustrating for us patients. One thing for sure is, you must arm yourself with as much information as you can about it. That way you know what questions to ask and also things you can do to help your situation. I have been on this site since 2016. I have seen one person come back on here and say that she has gone through the Big 3 antibiotic regimen and is mac free and has been for years. We can speculate that others got better also and just left the site. I have asked that those who are concluding their treatment to please check back and let us know how they are doing. They can be the beacon of hope to others. @irene5, had once said that she wishes she had gotten the Big 3 antibiotics sooner because of lung deterioration. (that was you wasn't it Irene?) I cannot say for sure that my delay in a regimented treatment didn't cause my lungs to get to the point where they are at now, which is very low lung function. Please do not panic or get depressed because of your diagnosis. Everyone's experience with this is different. For example: look at @ling123, she is proof that we can have this disease at varying levels. For some it is a minor impairment, for others it can be deadly, and most of us are somewhere in the middle. There is a lot of good information on this site about dealing with this disease, how you get it, how you prevent re-infection, etc. Medical sites like Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and National Jewish Health are also good sources. It is important that you do the work to learn all that you can about. We are here for you!

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@ling123, Thank you Ling; that means a lot to me.

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@windwalker

@src3acs, As far as treatment goes, different doctors have different ideas about how to treat mac/bronchiectasis. That is what makes it so frustrating for us patients. One thing for sure is, you must arm yourself with as much information as you can about it. That way you know what questions to ask and also things you can do to help your situation. I have been on this site since 2016. I have seen one person come back on here and say that she has gone through the Big 3 antibiotic regimen and is mac free and has been for years. We can speculate that others got better also and just left the site. I have asked that those who are concluding their treatment to please check back and let us know how they are doing. They can be the beacon of hope to others. @irene5, had once said that she wishes she had gotten the Big 3 antibiotics sooner because of lung deterioration. (that was you wasn't it Irene?) I cannot say for sure that my delay in a regimented treatment didn't cause my lungs to get to the point where they are at now, which is very low lung function. Please do not panic or get depressed because of your diagnosis. Everyone's experience with this is different. For example: look at @ling123, she is proof that we can have this disease at varying levels. For some it is a minor impairment, for others it can be deadly, and most of us are somewhere in the middle. There is a lot of good information on this site about dealing with this disease, how you get it, how you prevent re-infection, etc. Medical sites like Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and National Jewish Health are also good sources. It is important that you do the work to learn all that you can about. We are here for you!

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@macjane, Hello Jane. The weather always tormented my lungs, especially when I lived in Va. Whenever the barometric pressure would drop, so did my lung function. The air would get heavy and thick. I found it difficult to breathe in extreme humid air. Also, cold dampness of winter would bring on bronchietis, and cold air would cause my lungs to seize. I have moved to a coastal area in southern S.C. This move has been a great improvement to my health.

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@windwalker

@src3acs, Hi there, and welcome to our group. YES! MAC & Bronchiectasis definitely cause extreme fatigue. I combat it with .05 mg of Adderall, (I have ADD) I am prescribed 20 mg, but take only a quarter of the dose and I sometimes use ginsing with royal jelly (bee pollen) that comes in the little bottles. That gives you stamina to go all day without feeling hyped up. The days that I don't use these are spent on the couch all day. My spirit is rearing to go, but the body says "absolutely not". The first important thing I can tell you is; it is crucial that you see a doctor that knows a great deal about this disease. Most doctors are 'old school' and follow the same course of treatment. You also need to see a good Infectious Disease doctor. I was diagnosed in 2005 with MAC. (I had bronchiectasis also, but was never told that. It came up in old dr. reports that went back to 2001.) The doctor wanted me on the BIG 3 antibiotics, but I opted not to. I made that decision after getting a second and third opinion. Plus, I did my homework and found that the drugs can be toxic and hard on your other organs and only had 50% chance of working and that despite treatment; the mac comes back later eventually in many people. After refusing the usual treatment; I was put on Azithromycin and Ciprofloxacin for several months. That knocked the mac down to where I was no longer sick. I should have been routinely tested since 2005, but due to my ignorance and doctors not being on the ball, I was not tested again until 2013. During that eight years I was not treated or tested; my lung function slowly deteriorated. I believe that was due to bronchiectasis. I went to the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Fl. where my doctor there had a different way to treat MAC. He put me on monthly doses of alternating antibiotics. I would do 10 days of ciprofloxacin one month and then 10 days on Doxycycline. I did that cycle for three years and I saw improvement in S.O.B. and no coughing. Today, I have good days and low energy days. I do not cough. My rate of decline is very slow, so am hoping we are slowing down the progression of bronchiectasis. Because this is getting long, I will start a new reply to you about getting treatment.

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What was the dosage of each of these drugs? Would you take them 10 days in a row, or every third day? Would the same regimen be for each drug? Cipro one month then doxycycline the next? My husband's major complaint is extreme fatigue, too. We're going to see Dr. Aksamit in April, so maybe we'll find out about a new therapy.

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@windwalker

@src3acs, As far as treatment goes, different doctors have different ideas about how to treat mac/bronchiectasis. That is what makes it so frustrating for us patients. One thing for sure is, you must arm yourself with as much information as you can about it. That way you know what questions to ask and also things you can do to help your situation. I have been on this site since 2016. I have seen one person come back on here and say that she has gone through the Big 3 antibiotic regimen and is mac free and has been for years. We can speculate that others got better also and just left the site. I have asked that those who are concluding their treatment to please check back and let us know how they are doing. They can be the beacon of hope to others. @irene5, had once said that she wishes she had gotten the Big 3 antibiotics sooner because of lung deterioration. (that was you wasn't it Irene?) I cannot say for sure that my delay in a regimented treatment didn't cause my lungs to get to the point where they are at now, which is very low lung function. Please do not panic or get depressed because of your diagnosis. Everyone's experience with this is different. For example: look at @ling123, she is proof that we can have this disease at varying levels. For some it is a minor impairment, for others it can be deadly, and most of us are somewhere in the middle. There is a lot of good information on this site about dealing with this disease, how you get it, how you prevent re-infection, etc. Medical sites like Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and National Jewish Health are also good sources. It is important that you do the work to learn all that you can about. We are here for you!

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Last yr in March, I took Azithromycin 500 mg 3x’s a week @ noon, RifAMpin 300mg 3x’s a week in morning and Ethambutol 1200mg at night.  I was very allergic to Azithro and medicine stopped.  Started over with same med and ended up in ER with cluster headache and very high blood pressure.  These meds did not help me.  

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