Does anyone feel old and useless with age?

Posted by sally12345 @sally12345, Sep 13, 2023

Hi, I'm almost 64.. I'm feeling old and useless. My strength isn't good anymore. Like it used to be mainly side effects of meds. My health is poor with cvsd. Osteoporosis, poor circulation, hearing , eyesight, you name it's going. I always took care of myself. Now I've gotten older and everything's wrong, my grandkids don't a want me around and they are little still. No friends to talk with or do things with. Why is it we spend our lifetime taking care of family. Loving friends to end up , old and tired. Useless.

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@kjoed53
Ah, the scarcity of real friends! That's true of my life, too. I've several good friends, but I equate "real" with "intimate," and I no longer have any intimate friends. You know the sort I mean. The sort of friends––more often than not a spouse or life-partner––with whom you can share anything and everything. I've no one any longer in that category.

Setting aside intimate or real friends for a moment, when I consider those friends I regard as good or casual friends, they, too, are becoming fewer and fewer. And on top of that …

I had what I found to be a sad experience only the other day. I set aside time to make a few phone calls, calls to a few of my geographically distant friends, friends who were great pals in the past. I managed three such calls before I couldn't take any more. Each of the friends I called lives alone. Each was enthusiastic about talking (almost too much so), but all each of these dear friends from my past could talk about was themselves. None had been doing anything particularly interesting. About all they wanted to talk about was medical, or in some cases grocery shopping, or problems with their iPhones––and when I say "talk," they didn't seem at all interested in having a conversation, all it appeared they wanted to do was deliver a monologue or soliloquy, most of which was complain, complain, complain. Not once did I hear from any one of my long-ago friends a simple, "And how are you?" Had I heard those words even once, it would have made a world of difference. But I didn't. That's why I say the experience of calling was a terribly sad experience.

The lesson to me was: when I'm talking with a friend––or with anybody, for that matter––don't deliver a one-sided monologue; instead, converse: have a balanced back-and-forth conversation.

Onward and upward, Connecters!
Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666
I've said it a couple of times on other conversations that I wish there was a convention for us Mayo clinic community forum members. Our fellow members seem more in tune with us than anyone else these days.

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I'm 63 and retired last year. Life does change with age. After you finish your school years your friends are made at work. No work or hobbies no new friends. Also experiencing physical changes age related insomnia (and other health issues) glad to be retired so I'm not tired at work. But learning to navigate these new life changes is not easy. One day at a time with God's grace I say.

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@ray666
I've said it a couple of times on other conversations that I wish there was a convention for us Mayo clinic community forum members. Our fellow members seem more in tune with us than anyone else these days.

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@kjoed53
There may be some truth in what you say. I participate in two health-related forums: Mayo Connect and the Sepsis Alliance (because of an infection I had a few years back). In both forums, the one thing we are all battling is disease, regardless of our specific diagnoses. We are able to relate to one another in a very special way. I know when I finish a post to someone here on Connect, saying "I don't have the same symptoms you have, but I hope you find relief from your symptoms very soon," I really mean it, not because I genuinely feel what that person feels, not exactly, but because of what we have in common: fighting a disease.

My very best to you!
Ray (@ray666)

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Its very sad to read the comments here from people in their 60’s who are “”old.” That is actually quite young. But for everyone, no matter what age, one’s life is what we make it. There are constant challenges, but there are usually ways to make the best of what exists. It helps to look outside oneself I think.

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@tsch It's easy to say that, but those of us have multiple health problems. That is very discouraging. I am in chronic pain from severe arthritis, My husband died last year. We were married for 40 years. I have a big hole in my life. I am doing my best to move forward, but it is very hard learning to live alone and being wiithout my biggest support. I stay afloat because of good friends and a wonderful counselor.
If you are seriously depressed, please seek help.

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@darlene01

I was trying to “speak” to people who wrote about their difficulties. I am fortunately not one of them. I understand you are in a tough spot but hope with time some of the causes of your sadness will ease. It is good you have good friends and counselor, many do not. Arthritis runs in my family too, though so far I am not affected. I agree any person who is depressed should seek help.

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@darlene01

I was trying to “speak” to people who wrote about their difficulties. I am fortunately not one of them. I understand you are in a tough spot but hope with time some of the causes of your sadness will ease. It is good you have good friends and counselor, many do not. Arthritis runs in my family too, though so far I am not affected. I agree any person who is depressed should seek help.

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@tsch
May I second that? When my partner died just a little less than a year ago, my primary, who had known us both, advised that I try a little bereavement counseling. I played my Tough-as-Nails Male Card and said, "What, me? Bereavement counseling? You've got to be kidding, doc!" Well, about a month later, when most of the busyness of being my partner's personal rep had died down, and the hollowness of my new life had set in, I phoned my doc and asked if counseling was still an option. Long story short? I've been going to counseling for the past three months, and I couldn't be more pleased with the results. The proof in the pudding? Hardly a day goes by without one of my friends remarking on how well I appear to be doing. Am I still grieving? You bet! But counseling––or in my case, CBT counseling––has enabled me to manage my grief. I saw how my life was narrowing down, but thanks to counseling, I'm learning how to both re-animate and re-populate my life.

Cheers to everyone here!
Ray (@ray666)

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@twday67 you now have quality instead of quantity. If a friend can’t make the effort to visit even once a year, was he/she even your friend anyway …?

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@rashida we're all over 70 and LD driving (even a 100 mile round trip) is pushing the boundaries. They are definitely friends.

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@tsch
May I second that? When my partner died just a little less than a year ago, my primary, who had known us both, advised that I try a little bereavement counseling. I played my Tough-as-Nails Male Card and said, "What, me? Bereavement counseling? You've got to be kidding, doc!" Well, about a month later, when most of the busyness of being my partner's personal rep had died down, and the hollowness of my new life had set in, I phoned my doc and asked if counseling was still an option. Long story short? I've been going to counseling for the past three months, and I couldn't be more pleased with the results. The proof in the pudding? Hardly a day goes by without one of my friends remarking on how well I appear to be doing. Am I still grieving? You bet! But counseling––or in my case, CBT counseling––has enabled me to manage my grief. I saw how my life was narrowing down, but thanks to counseling, I'm learning how to both re-animate and re-populate my life.

Cheers to everyone here!
Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666
G'afternoon, Ray ~
Re-animate and re-populate - wonderful energy there! I also work on that, literally daily, in one form or another. And to be realistic, there will be days when I feel less optimism than others, for any number of reasons - weather, barometer, quality/quantity of sleep, getting overtired especially when feeling almost normal - "Hey! I can do ALL my errands today - I feel great and I'm moving along really well....hardly any pain, even." Then the next day, well...I may not even feel like I'm among the living! But those days are far outnumbered with the ones when I feel blessed beyond description by the presence of God and the wonderful human relationships that He has offered to me and enabled me to enjoy through any number of means. MayoConnect is definitely one. Thinking of you, my friend, and praying for ever-increasing good days in your life!
Barb

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@tsch
May I second that? When my partner died just a little less than a year ago, my primary, who had known us both, advised that I try a little bereavement counseling. I played my Tough-as-Nails Male Card and said, "What, me? Bereavement counseling? You've got to be kidding, doc!" Well, about a month later, when most of the busyness of being my partner's personal rep had died down, and the hollowness of my new life had set in, I phoned my doc and asked if counseling was still an option. Long story short? I've been going to counseling for the past three months, and I couldn't be more pleased with the results. The proof in the pudding? Hardly a day goes by without one of my friends remarking on how well I appear to be doing. Am I still grieving? You bet! But counseling––or in my case, CBT counseling––has enabled me to manage my grief. I saw how my life was narrowing down, but thanks to counseling, I'm learning how to both re-animate and re-populate my life.

Cheers to everyone here!
Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666
Excellent. You are wise to have counseling. Many men would not be as wise. Losing a partner is awful and life shattering, but with time the grieved one usually learns to live and be happy again, but it takes time, and maybe some work.

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@ray666
Excellent. You are wise to have counseling. Many men would not be as wise. Losing a partner is awful and life shattering, but with time the grieved one usually learns to live and be happy again, but it takes time, and maybe some work.

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@tsch
It does take time. And it does take work. And work with a disinterested party is best. Often we confide only in those who are readily at hand, a relative or friend, but people who are close to us are disinclined to challenge our beliefs. We end up going in circles, which is the same as going nowhere. A counselor, or a group of strangers struggling under a similar burden, is usually more productive. I love it when I tell my counselor, "I believe such and such," only to have she say, "Why do you believe that?" and "What what makes you think it's true?" and "Is it possible to think of it another way?" I can't think of a relative or friend who would challenge me that way.

Cheers!
Ray (@ray666)

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