Essential Thrombocytosis General Questions

Posted by sdcgcarroll @sdcgcarroll, Mar 29 8:28am

Is there any one place or Website that lists the full known (or experienced) symptoms of ET?

How about a complete listing of possible medications (both pharmaceutical and natural)? And their side effects?

Also is there absolutely anything you can do to help the debilitating fatigue besides meds, hydrating, diet and exercise? I’ve been told HU can also cause fatigue and I personally do not need more of that.

I see so many different things on so many sites but nothing all in one space. Can we please put it here for myself and others?

I feel like there needs to be an updated and complete resource for current knowledge and experiences on this type of cancer. It would bring some peace I think.

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@janemc are there trials ongoing for ET? I have not seen any info on research?

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@sdcgcarroll do you mean clinical trials? There are trials, I have looked at them on a website. If I can find the site I will post. You might also follow the Healthunlocked website. Quite a few people on that site use an interferon for treatment. You might want to look into those drugs as alternatives to HU. I am on HU and it worked well to reduce my platelets. It took time, but that helped with some of my worse symptoms. Sadly, treatments may not help with fatigue. It really depends on the individual.

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@sdcgcarroll Sadly, you will not find a comprehensive list of symptoms and side effects because they vary widely from person to person. The most serious are clots or, in cases with platelets over 1,000, bleeding. Sometimes enlarged spleen. Meds are given to ward these off.

I'd say about half the people here have no symptoms or mild fatigue. The rest have intermittent headaches, bone pain, more severe fatigue, erythromelalgia, dizziness, or tingles in extremities. Among others.

ET is very poorly understood and understudied by research. Imo, brain fog and depression and kidney disease associated with blood cancers needs to be studied more in ET patients.

Symptoms sometimes come on with starting hydroxyurea. The meds get blamed, but it may be that the HU is being given because platelets are going up and it's ultimately the higher platelets that cause the symptoms. But no one knows.

HU alleviates symptoms for some. In others it causes diarrhea or constipation. It can also cause hair thinning and black stripes in nails. Too much causes bone pain. You'll hear lots of other complaints about it, too, and the FDA has a list of side effects a mile long.

I suspect there are psychological factors involved in HU resistance; nobody likes the idea of taking a chemo pill for life or of having an incurable blood disease. But I'm not a shrink.

Meds for ET:
--Aspirin to thin blood
--HU or anagrelide to reduce platelets
--Besremi or Pegasys injections if you can afford them and are under 40 or 50 reduce platelets and MAY lead to remission
--Jakafi is expensive and is used infrequently

ET gets far less attention than other ailments that hematology oncologists see. Most of us are middle-aged or elderly, ambulatory, we don't look or act sick, and our disease is advancing so slowly that probably something else will kill us. When a busy doc has to triage his time between us and the teenager down the hall with acute leukemia, guess who's going to get the most attention?

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@nohrt4me great summary. I wish my doctor gave me this info when I was diagnosed!!

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@princess86 I am confused by that as I have heard that before but most call it cancer. I’m not really sure why the difference

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@sdcgcarroll it is considered and called cancer now. This change was fairly recent so older doctors may still call it a disorder. I wonder why it was not always considered a cancer. It fits the general definition. Was AML ever not considered a blood cancer?

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The World Health Organization reclassified MPNs as cancers around 20 years ago. Some doctors haven't got the word, some don't agree with the reclassification, some just don't want the hassle of upsetting patients with the C-word. Since the US is no longer a WHO member, more docs may feel less constrained by its classifications.

When people hear "cancer," they tend to think of the drastic surgical, chemo, and radiation treatments for aggressive acute cancers. But many cancers like ET can be managed with much milder interventions.

Chronic cancer like ET isn't something most people are familiar with. Raise your hand if you've got the "humph, you don't LOOK sick" hairy eyeball from people if they hear you've got cancer.

However, I read a story in the Washington Post a couple of years ago that many cancers are now manageable if not curable. So the idea of a chronic cancer may become more common and, I hope, lead to less fear and better understanding of diseases like ET.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/06/17/cancer-treatment-advances-chronic-disease/

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@kapow

So sorry for your very scary experience.

I'm MPL too.

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@janemc Thank you. I'm glad that those experiences are all behind me, and I hope they stay behind!

Not as many of us MPL's around. But I have to say that with Hydroxyurea, I believe I am under control. My platelets tend to stay in the 500's but my hematologist doesn't seem to mind, and since I feel ok (mostly) I don't worry about it.

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@janemc Thank you. I'm glad that those experiences are all behind me, and I hope they stay behind!

Not as many of us MPL's around. But I have to say that with Hydroxyurea, I believe I am under control. My platelets tend to stay in the 500's but my hematologist doesn't seem to mind, and since I feel ok (mostly) I don't worry about it.

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@kapow

May I ask, how long did it take for HU to get your count down?

Our version apparently is the hardest to manage.

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@kapow

May I ask, how long did it take for HU to get your count down?

Our version apparently is the hardest to manage.

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@janemc I was first diagnosed with high platelets (~900) when I had the stroke in Apr 2023 and by September my platelets were down around 450. I have never actually made it into the "normal" range. The closest I have ever been is 404. I started out for the first 6 months have blood tests every week (which was very difficult since they can never find a vein!), and for the last year and a half I go for tests every 4 weeks (still can't find a vein! LOL) . So I feel I am being well monitored.

I didn't know we were the hardest to manage. How are you doing?

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@janemc I was first diagnosed with high platelets (~900) when I had the stroke in Apr 2023 and by September my platelets were down around 450. I have never actually made it into the "normal" range. The closest I have ever been is 404. I started out for the first 6 months have blood tests every week (which was very difficult since they can never find a vein!), and for the last year and a half I go for tests every 4 weeks (still can't find a vein! LOL) . So I feel I am being well monitored.

I didn't know we were the hardest to manage. How are you doing?

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@kapow

I'm really glad they're keeping a close eye on you . . . very sorry the blood draws are so difficult, though.

HU has helped me tremendously, but I have to take 6500 mg a week to keep my count 400/450ish. Thank goodness I tolerate it well.

As we were working towards an effective dose, my oncologist said the MPL variant is more challenging to get under control.

Our risk of blood clots is high too. Was your stroke caused by a clot? What a terrible way to find out you have ET.

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@kapow

I'm really glad they're keeping a close eye on you . . . very sorry the blood draws are so difficult, though.

HU has helped me tremendously, but I have to take 6500 mg a week to keep my count 400/450ish. Thank goodness I tolerate it well.

As we were working towards an effective dose, my oncologist said the MPL variant is more challenging to get under control.

Our risk of blood clots is high too. Was your stroke caused by a clot? What a terrible way to find out you have ET.

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@janemc I take 1000 mg 5 days a week and 500mg on sat &sun. So I guess that is 6000mg a week …almost the same as you. And yes I had a “humongous “ blood clot in my carotid artery. (That was my vascular surgeon’s description. ) Things might have been much different if it had all broken free. But I had surgery to remove the clot and other than an extra “wrinkle” in my neck from the incision I am none the worse for wear.

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