Found this informative article that medically describes turmeric’s role in blood clotting. It indicates that turmeric can be used in place of pharmaceuticals, but doesn’t go as far as to state it. Also, though it does intricately explain the synthesis of turmeric in the blood, it doesn’t state amounts, percentages and other statistics one may like to make a decision. Hopefully there’s medical trials and research online to fill in the gaps. The site wouldn’t allow me to post the link as a first time user, which is why i joined, so the name of the site i was going to post is turmeric life and they have a page named anticoagulant-activity-of-turmeric
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With eliquis being so costly, is anyone aware of studies or limited practice of using low dose eliquis 2.5 mg (or even less) combined with "high quality" third party tested low dose tumeric? Expect the RX companies not interested in any studies. How about university or independent research? Tx.
With eliquis being so costly, is anyone aware of studies or limited practice of using low dose eliquis 2.5 mg (or even less) combined with "high quality" third party tested low dose tumeric? Expect the RX companies not interested in any studies. How about university or independent research? Tx.
@maribel8 I'm VERY INTERESTED in this idea. It doesn't make sense to me that there are so many food products that are blood thinners and no one has figured out a way to effectively use them to prevent blood clotting. Of course, the RX companies wouldn't make as much money. I am tempted to just experiment on my own body! Do you know of a high quality third party tested turmeric supplement? I've been attracted to BioRoot. I haven't taken it yet but it looks reputable.
@maribel8 I'm VERY INTERESTED in this idea. It doesn't make sense to me that there are so many food products that are blood thinners and no one has figured out a way to effectively use them to prevent blood clotting. Of course, the RX companies wouldn't make as much money. I am tempted to just experiment on my own body! Do you know of a high quality third party tested turmeric supplement? I've been attracted to BioRoot. I haven't taken it yet but it looks reputable.
@tx. You are first person (from several posts) who _hasn't_ said the usual "NO- doc would never agree, dangerous, etc." The brand that catches my eye and critical mind is Luma Nutrition curcumin. (Look up, 3rd testing, made in usa, etc). More descriptive than most (i.e. the "wonder versions/reviews on Amazon's many options). I have hetero FVL discovered from a provoked long flight 2018. In one leg, and tiny tiny one in lungs. Was on high dose- 1st 20 mg eliquis for couple of weeks, then down to 10g for about 2 1/2 yrs. Now at 5mg day divided, a.m./p.m. With all the shenanigans with RX pricing, government lobbying, delays and tariffs, I'm pretty much 'done' with the robotic "You must ...." scare ?tactics. Having had only one episode nearly 8 years ago, I'd love to at least move to 25mg/ plus tumeric day. Interesting that in a univ of VT medical research paper, the writer wrote that if person was dx with genetic FVL with one provoked event, treat/ dissolve and no more blood thinners ( manage with weight control, lots of water exercise - lots more). Would love posts to be read by MD's, med students, researchers. What's your story?
With eliquis being so costly, is anyone aware of studies or limited practice of using low dose eliquis 2.5 mg (or even less) combined with "high quality" third party tested low dose tumeric? Expect the RX companies not interested in any studies. How about university or independent research? Tx.
@maribel8 I'm VERY INTERESTED in this idea. It doesn't make sense to me that there are so many food products that are blood thinners and no one has figured out a way to effectively use them to prevent blood clotting. Of course, the RX companies wouldn't make as much money. I am tempted to just experiment on my own body! Do you know of a high quality third party tested turmeric supplement? I've been attracted to BioRoot. I haven't taken it yet but it looks reputable.
For those interested in experimenting in drugs on themselves they should rewatch the old Spencer Tracy version of "Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde" to see possible side effects 😄
Remarkable!
I've been using first turmeric and then curcumin supplements since about Y2K, and I take it along with fish oil which is itself a blood thinner and anticoagulant, and with the two together have never really noticed any clotting problems. Note that this is not in combination with any prescription blood thinner.
I am not surprised to hear that turmeric/curcumin might affect clotting, the anti-inflammatory effects might easily extend to the clotting mechanism, but that mechanism can be complex, too.
Many millions of people use turmeric/curcumin as a supplement, many with fish oil too, and I can't recall any warning about clotting effects in the real world (aka in vivo). Again, this does not include in combination with prescription blood thinners.
Google AI now offers this:
"Curcumin, the active compound in turmeric, acts as a natural blood thinner by inhibiting platelet aggregation and reducing blood clotting, which can significantly increase bleeding risks when combined with anticoagulant medication. It is crucial to consult a doctor before taking curcumin supplements if you are on blood-thinning drugs like warfarin (Coumadin), aspirin, or clopidogrel (Plavix)."
I'd suggest that the prescription blood thinners already have dramatic effects and even minor interference from turmeric/curcumin should of course be handled carefully, because it is probably not simply additive.
I'll throw in one more perspective. There is another supplement that has effects on clotting and that is evening primrose oil, along with a couple of other supplements that also contain the presumed active ingredient GLA (gamma linolenic acid). This definitely "affects clotting" but it does so in a curious way, it both decreases it and increases it! It seems to thin the blood so it flows better but it increases clotting exactly when needed. At least that's the story, and I have seen it in use many times - I keep it around partially for that purpose, when I get dinged in the garden by a rosebush and the bleeding is slow to stop, effects begin within about 30 minutes to promote clotting. But I find very little information online about GLA. I note that Google AI just warns that primrose oil may reduce clotting, and that is clearly not the whole story.
There's really a need for more research on GLA. And I'd like to see that in vivo research on turmeric/curcumin with prescription drugs, too. And sure, both together, too!
When I had my first visit with a cardiologist after my first AFIB epidisode, I asked about turmeric. He said sure, take it. I said really? Everything I have read says not to take it. He asked my why. I was surprised so told him and he said it was the first time he ever heard that. He then told me to run all of my supplements past a pharmacist as cardiologists and surgeons are not trained on such things. It has been 1.5 years since my 1 afib episode. I asked him to go off metoprolol months ago and did. I changed insurance and cannot get the first appt. with new cardio until May 31st. I hope he knows interractions as I want to go off the Eliquis and see if my muscles improve..seems to be quite a progression going on now with muscle tone..and last I heard, the heart is a muscle too!
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And there’s this link which supports the above.
Oh, still can’t post link. It’s on pub med site, reference 225 31131.
Will post next day
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Allow me to post it for you:
- Anticoagulant activities of curcumin and its derivative (2012) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22531131/.
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1 ReactionWith eliquis being so costly, is anyone aware of studies or limited practice of using low dose eliquis 2.5 mg (or even less) combined with "high quality" third party tested low dose tumeric? Expect the RX companies not interested in any studies. How about university or independent research? Tx.
@maribel8 I'm VERY INTERESTED in this idea. It doesn't make sense to me that there are so many food products that are blood thinners and no one has figured out a way to effectively use them to prevent blood clotting. Of course, the RX companies wouldn't make as much money. I am tempted to just experiment on my own body! Do you know of a high quality third party tested turmeric supplement? I've been attracted to BioRoot. I haven't taken it yet but it looks reputable.
@tx. You are first person (from several posts) who _hasn't_ said the usual "NO- doc would never agree, dangerous, etc." The brand that catches my eye and critical mind is Luma Nutrition curcumin. (Look up, 3rd testing, made in usa, etc). More descriptive than most (i.e. the "wonder versions/reviews on Amazon's many options). I have hetero FVL discovered from a provoked long flight 2018. In one leg, and tiny tiny one in lungs. Was on high dose- 1st 20 mg eliquis for couple of weeks, then down to 10g for about 2 1/2 yrs. Now at 5mg day divided, a.m./p.m. With all the shenanigans with RX pricing, government lobbying, delays and tariffs, I'm pretty much 'done' with the robotic "You must ...." scare ?tactics. Having had only one episode nearly 8 years ago, I'd love to at least move to 25mg/ plus tumeric day. Interesting that in a univ of VT medical research paper, the writer wrote that if person was dx with genetic FVL with one provoked event, treat/ dissolve and no more blood thinners ( manage with weight control, lots of water exercise - lots more). Would love posts to be read by MD's, med students, researchers. What's your story?
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Eliquis is much cheaper in Canada and you can order from any of the Canadian pharmacies. I paid $150.00 for 3 months of 5mg BID
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For those interested in experimenting in drugs on themselves they should rewatch the old Spencer Tracy version of "Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde" to see possible side effects 😄
Remarkable!
I've been using first turmeric and then curcumin supplements since about Y2K, and I take it along with fish oil which is itself a blood thinner and anticoagulant, and with the two together have never really noticed any clotting problems. Note that this is not in combination with any prescription blood thinner.
I am not surprised to hear that turmeric/curcumin might affect clotting, the anti-inflammatory effects might easily extend to the clotting mechanism, but that mechanism can be complex, too.
Many millions of people use turmeric/curcumin as a supplement, many with fish oil too, and I can't recall any warning about clotting effects in the real world (aka in vivo). Again, this does not include in combination with prescription blood thinners.
Google AI now offers this:
"Curcumin, the active compound in turmeric, acts as a natural blood thinner by inhibiting platelet aggregation and reducing blood clotting, which can significantly increase bleeding risks when combined with anticoagulant medication. It is crucial to consult a doctor before taking curcumin supplements if you are on blood-thinning drugs like warfarin (Coumadin), aspirin, or clopidogrel (Plavix)."
I'd suggest that the prescription blood thinners already have dramatic effects and even minor interference from turmeric/curcumin should of course be handled carefully, because it is probably not simply additive.
I'll throw in one more perspective. There is another supplement that has effects on clotting and that is evening primrose oil, along with a couple of other supplements that also contain the presumed active ingredient GLA (gamma linolenic acid). This definitely "affects clotting" but it does so in a curious way, it both decreases it and increases it! It seems to thin the blood so it flows better but it increases clotting exactly when needed. At least that's the story, and I have seen it in use many times - I keep it around partially for that purpose, when I get dinged in the garden by a rosebush and the bleeding is slow to stop, effects begin within about 30 minutes to promote clotting. But I find very little information online about GLA. I note that Google AI just warns that primrose oil may reduce clotting, and that is clearly not the whole story.
There's really a need for more research on GLA. And I'd like to see that in vivo research on turmeric/curcumin with prescription drugs, too. And sure, both together, too!
When I had my first visit with a cardiologist after my first AFIB epidisode, I asked about turmeric. He said sure, take it. I said really? Everything I have read says not to take it. He asked my why. I was surprised so told him and he said it was the first time he ever heard that. He then told me to run all of my supplements past a pharmacist as cardiologists and surgeons are not trained on such things. It has been 1.5 years since my 1 afib episode. I asked him to go off metoprolol months ago and did. I changed insurance and cannot get the first appt. with new cardio until May 31st. I hope he knows interractions as I want to go off the Eliquis and see if my muscles improve..seems to be quite a progression going on now with muscle tone..and last I heard, the heart is a muscle too!