Why do I have dangerously low and dangerously high blood pressure?

Posted by larryhayes @larryhayes, Feb 14 8:16pm

What is it called and the cause, when blood pressure simultaneously goes dangerously low and dangerously high in short periods of time? This can happen 2 or 3 times a day. Dangerously high blood pressure can be brought on by simply relaxing too long (resting, reading, watching TV, etc). Dangerously low blood pressure can be brought on by being active too long (yard work, chores, exercising etc). If I am inactive too long and my BP goes too high, I can become active and it will drop. If I am active too long my BP will drop too low, I can become inactive and it will rise. I have been dealing with this for years and I have been to many doctors in this area, but no one has a clue why. Other than the BP issue I'm in good health but that is getting harder to deal with as I age.

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Profile picture for jenatsky @jenatsky

@larryhayes any chance that body position has anything to do with the changes you experience when BP is low. I’m guessing your docs have performed postural hypotension studies on you? If your docs haven’t shown their concern about the fluctuation maybe you shouldn’t either?

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@jenatsky Sorry about the delay, I been crazy busy on my home. I have not noticed a relation in body position but have not really considered it, that is other than; if I'm still too long it goes too high, if I'm too active for too long it goes to low. I don't recall any of the doctor's mentioning PH or OH. For the biggest part I try not to be concerned. When I get this burning sensation to my face or a head ace (high), or get dizzy or see spots in my eyesight (low) it concerns me.

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@larryhayes
I have experienced these same BP extremes and have no answers as to why. After many work ups, the closest we’ve come to an answer is maybe some autonomic thing. Mine is more predictable whereas if I am sitting it’s high, and if I’ lie down long enough, it goes low. The medication I’m on is not enough to make it the highs come down to normal, but it’s too much to keep the floors at a safe MAP. Although our situations are not identical, they are close enough to where I understand many of the challenges you face of trying to live life that contains such extremes.

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@penny001 hey Penny001, sorry about the reply delay. That's interesting. They do seem very similar, so I'm sure you too sometimes feel like you're a slave to your own BP. I do about 75% of the time @OK self you've been sitting, reading, relaxing, etc to long, or OK self you've been on this project, pastime, chore etc too long.

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@larryhayes what have your doctors had to say about your fluctuating BP?

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@jenatsky they still don't know why. I've had my last referral but another dead end. I'll follow up with my primary care Dr Tues the 24th

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Profile picture for tcsurvivor4 @tcsurvivor4

Hi Larry,
I have this as well and I was just diagnosed with Baroreflex failure. This can happen after trauma to the head and neck such as surgery or radiation. I have metastatic thyroid cancer and had 7 weeks of radiation. My cardiologist put me in touch with this doctor at Duke here in NC. This is also related to long covid as well … dysautonomia is the general term for it. It sometimes includes gastro intestinal issues, and cardiac issues combined and I also have issues with horrible anxiety and mast cell activation syndrome where I have sensitivity to medications, smells and sounds. Your autonomic nervous system has had some damage somewhere for most who deal with this, I hope you can find some help and relief soon.
Take care,
Char

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@tcsurvivor4 That is very interesting. I had 12 weeks of radiation to the throat back around 2008. I also worked at a nuclear facility back in the 80s and 90s where I maxed out on radiation exposure a number of times. It seems I remember the number as 2000 rems. You are also not the first to mention a possible issue with my Autonomic System. thank you

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@tcsurvivor4 That is very interesting. I had 12 weeks of radiation to the throat back around 2008. I also worked at a nuclear facility back in the 80s and 90s where I maxed out on radiation exposure a number of times. It seems I remember the number as 2000 rems. You are also not the first to mention a possible issue with my Autonomic System. thank you

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@larryhayes You’re welcome. I wish you the best in finding a solution and relief soon.

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I am having the same issues for several years and after multiple cardiac and non-cardiac testings to determine the root cause, I am having symptoms that presents like Orthostatic Hypotension and straight up Hypertension. To that end, I am bouncing from one specialist to another trying to determine what is the cause of my issues and most importantly, what needs to be done to make me feel better despite what the labs and test results may be showing! Right now, I feel the same symptoms described to start this chat and they are happening more frequently and lasting longer throughout the day as I get older ( I am 65). This condition is limiting my ability to do relatively light chores around the house, exercise, play a round of golf, etc. Right now I am being treated with Midodrine and Amlodipine depending on whether my BP is low or high. Feels like a game of Russian roulette. I have exhausted all relevant cardiac testing and all possible cardiac issues have been ruled out, so I am now being referred to Neurology and Endocrinology to provide their insights

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I am having the same issues for several years and after multiple cardiac and non-cardiac testings to determine the root cause, I am having symptoms that presents like Orthostatic Hypotension and straight up Hypertension. To that end, I am bouncing from one specialist to another trying to determine what is the cause of my issues and most importantly, what needs to be done to make me feel better despite what the labs and test results may be showing! Right now, I feel the same symptoms described to start this chat and they are happening more frequently and lasting longer throughout the day as I get older ( I am 65). This condition is limiting my ability to do relatively light chores around the house, exercise, play a round of golf, etc. Right now I am being treated with Midodrine and Amlodipine depending on whether my BP is low or high. Feels like a game of Russian roulette. I have exhausted all relevant cardiac testing and all possible cardiac issues have been ruled out, so I am now being referred to Neurology and Endocrinology to provide their insights

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@krg12267, welcome to Connect!
Thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds like you’ve been through an extensive evaluation, and I can understand how frustrating it must be to have symptoms that are becoming more frequent and limiting your daily activities. I hope the neurology and endocrinology consultations help bring some answers after all the cardiac causes have been ruled out.

Several have commented in the discussion, Why do I have dangerously low and dangerously high blood pressure? I am tagging @lp5 who may also find browsing through from the beginning: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/what-do-i-have-dangerously-low-and-dangerously-high-blood-pressure/

@larryhayes, I know it’s been a few months since you started this discussion. I wondered if you have an update on how your feeling and if you have learned more about what has been causing your blood pressure swings?

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I am having the same issues for several years and after multiple cardiac and non-cardiac testings to determine the root cause, I am having symptoms that presents like Orthostatic Hypotension and straight up Hypertension. To that end, I am bouncing from one specialist to another trying to determine what is the cause of my issues and most importantly, what needs to be done to make me feel better despite what the labs and test results may be showing! Right now, I feel the same symptoms described to start this chat and they are happening more frequently and lasting longer throughout the day as I get older ( I am 65). This condition is limiting my ability to do relatively light chores around the house, exercise, play a round of golf, etc. Right now I am being treated with Midodrine and Amlodipine depending on whether my BP is low or high. Feels like a game of Russian roulette. I have exhausted all relevant cardiac testing and all possible cardiac issues have been ruled out, so I am now being referred to Neurology and Endocrinology to provide their insights

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@krg12267 I had similar issues. what has finally helped me is fasting and time restricted eating. I now eat two meals a day and the dinner is at 6. No snacking in between meals. I go to bed around 10 and try to get 6 to 7 hours of sleep. I now go for a morning walk to set my circadian clock. This routine has worked better than Amlodipine, which was making me miserable. I no longer take it. Hypertension is a metabolic disease and absolutely connected to our gut health. And yes, I eat a whole foods plant based, no salt, sugar or oil diet.

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Hi @larryhayes, I moved your question about fluctuating blood pressure to the Heart & Blood Health Support Group (https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/heart-blood-vessel-conditions/) where you will be able to connect with others discussion heart-related issues.

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It appears that the specialists you've seen are not concerned with the fluctuations in blood pressure that you experience. However, you describe the readings as "dangerous." That must be worrisome. What is dangerously low and dangerously high in your case? How long do you have to be inactive or active to change the readings? Do you feel symptoms or are you using a home monitor to measure your blood pressure?

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@colleenyoung my BP seems t o also do dangerous jumps throughout the day.
My numbers can go from 230/190 down to 80-50 then to a more normal reading. All while my HR is @120-130. I am very active, exercise regularly, eating habits arent too bad.

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I'm in the hospital now because of low blood pressure when standing up. Diabetic related situation. Hopefully I can get this managed. I have neuropathy as well so I know I have nerve damage going on. Thank you for any advice... Dave B

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