Sputum Test submissions and outcome results

Posted by blm1007blm1007 @blm1007blm1007, Feb 4 2:40pm

August 2022 diagnosed with BE via C Scan...no sputum test suggested or understood that I should have it tested.
Oct. 2023 self-referred and diagnosed with MAI while at NJH. Sputum tests at NJH indicated low load of MAI. I was told to do watchful waiting by NJH pulmonologist.
Began and doing Nebulizing and all Air Way Clearance methods since Oct. 2023.
I am still on and continue with watchful waiting.
Once, recently, in 2025 and now in 2026 Sputum Test results have come back twice indicating negative for bacteria growth and all other came back positive for MAI. I just received today...no bacteria growth.
I wonder if it is there in the lungs, the MAI, but in such a small amount or down deep in the lungs, hiding and will sometimes pop its 'head' up and other times so little that does not come up and therefore does not show in the testing ???? I have been sending the sputum for testing nearly every month to stay on top of what is or might be there or if to see there is anything new.
So without antibiotics due to original low load MAI I thankfully have felt fine all along and weight is stable.
Do many of you, others, have sputum test results come back positive, negative, positive, negative results?
Have any of you had this experience and has a doctor given their thoughts to you about why this can/does happen?
Barbara

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@kathyjjb I don't think I mentioned this to you.
I use it on my back on either side of my spine. You control the amount of pressure. I really think it helps me. I do it before and after my postural drainage and huff coughing. Again, I am fortunate that I can do postural drainage.
From Amazon: KINTEGOOD Massage Hammer, Meridians Back Knock Massager, Double Head Back Scratcher Percussion Massager, Manual Massage Hammer.
Barbara

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@blm1007blm1007 Thanks for sharing. I will take a look at it.

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@blm1007blm1007 who is your pulmonologist at Columbia?
My NTM cavitary mass was the first found on a chest x-ray as an incidental finding. I am completely asymptomatic. I did the usual CT scans ,PET scans, and then a biopsy at Cornell. I found that they never got back to me. Part of the cultures they took during the biopsy was never reported months after. They tried to switch to an assistant from the Doctor to perform my biopsy last minute while I was already in the operating room …I fought that and won .I then switched to NYU…. I now couldn’t take the three weeks of excessive antibiotics and IV via PICC line and now just doing surgery on March 2 to remove my 2.9 cm mass . NYU is far better than Cornell, which I found disrespectful nurse practitioners and doctors changing things around all the time and never getting back to you for important info .
NYU is on top of everything. Nothing is being switched around easy communication totally different environment.!!!

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@visions63 Good to hear about NYU.
No, I am not at Columbia, not sure what I might have said that had you thinking I was going there, sorry. I am in OKC and have pulmonologist in OK and TX.
Good decision, not allowing that switch. If I make an appointment with a doctor, which I always insist upon, that's what I want.
Barbara

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@visions63 Good to hear about NYU.
No, I am not at Columbia, not sure what I might have said that had you thinking I was going there, sorry. I am in OKC and have pulmonologist in OK and TX.
Good decision, not allowing that switch. If I make an appointment with a doctor, which I always insist upon, that's what I want.
Barbara

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@blm1007blm1007 I too am at NYU and couldn’t agree more. They are really on top of things with good communications and follow up. They have been very cooperative in allowing my more local pulmonologist to stay in the loop. That allows me to have some appointments locally and not have to always go into the city. I highly recommend them.

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@kathyjjb I don't think I mentioned this to you.
I use it on my back on either side of my spine. You control the amount of pressure. I really think it helps me. I do it before and after my postural drainage and huff coughing. Again, I am fortunate that I can do postural drainage.
From Amazon: KINTEGOOD Massage Hammer, Meridians Back Knock Massager, Double Head Back Scratcher Percussion Massager, Manual Massage Hammer.
Barbara

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@blm1007blm1007 this sounds like something useful for our toolbox and could be used to supplement the vest, if used, or in lieu of the vest when it’s impractical to use. I’m trying to get a visual though. Do you hold it several inches ouch and tap to give a percussion on your back? Thank you.

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@blm1007blm1007 this sounds like something useful for our toolbox and could be used to supplement the vest, if used, or in lieu of the vest when it’s impractical to use. I’m trying to get a visual though. Do you hold it several inches ouch and tap to give a percussion on your back? Thank you.

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@rmoore901 Glad you noticed the post about the KINTEGOOD Massage Hammer, Meridians Back Knock Massager, Double Head Back Scratcher Percussion Massager, Manual Massage Hammer I ordered on Amazon.

I bend my arms at my elbows and do the left side of my lungs/spine by using my right arm and then reverse it. Each person would have to just start off lightly with the amount of force to know what they can and cannot handle in terms of the pounding of it on the lung. That is all dependent upon the persons own tolerance for the pressure/pounding applied that they can tolerate and not injure themselves. I, for me, I use it after a bit of nebulizing and huff coughing and then use it before and after postural drainage and huff coughing. I call that a set. I do a good few sets each therapy session, meaning 2x a day...meaning I do a set and then begin this cycle over again several times with the huff coughing after each part of what I do. That's what I am doing for me, for now. Looking forward to another C Scan to see if it is doing the trick.

I had the vest and did not like it because it applied pressure and pounding in areas that I did not want it pounding. As I have said in another post they should be tailored made for each person and pound only in the area of the lungs. I also found it, for me, to be a big nuisance. We all tolerate things differently.
Barbara

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I’ve never done a sputum test, but I’m going to UNC’s center for Bronchiectasis for a work up. They sent me a kit for 3 sputum tests, and instructions. They want each test to have at least 1 TABLESPOON of sputum😳. Plus they want me to do this right after I wake up, and only gargle water beforehand. The most I can get up this way is maybe 1/4 TEASPOON. So I’m going to try some other ways to try and get at least something. Does nebbing saline first contaminate a sample? I also have more mucus after exercising, but I would need to eat first. How particular are you guys about all this stuff when you get your samples?
Thanks!

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I’ve never done a sputum test, but I’m going to UNC’s center for Bronchiectasis for a work up. They sent me a kit for 3 sputum tests, and instructions. They want each test to have at least 1 TABLESPOON of sputum😳. Plus they want me to do this right after I wake up, and only gargle water beforehand. The most I can get up this way is maybe 1/4 TEASPOON. So I’m going to try some other ways to try and get at least something. Does nebbing saline first contaminate a sample? I also have more mucus after exercising, but I would need to eat first. How particular are you guys about all this stuff when you get your samples?
Thanks!

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@sarahlynn1960 Apparently there are different beliefs about how much is needed for the sputum test. I was told that it doesn't require much as long as there is a good sample of mucus.
Yes it is preferred that it be first thing in the morning. True no food before creating a sputum sample in the morning...as told to me.
When I had the respiratory therapist help me during an office visit to bring up mucus we did the nebulizing first.
Did they say you couldn't nebulize first??
I would think you could exercise first and then do the sputum for testing but not eat and then do it. That wouldn't be good to eat first, that would contaminate it because food particles can come up when bringing up the sputum.
Barbara

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I’ve never done a sputum test, but I’m going to UNC’s center for Bronchiectasis for a work up. They sent me a kit for 3 sputum tests, and instructions. They want each test to have at least 1 TABLESPOON of sputum😳. Plus they want me to do this right after I wake up, and only gargle water beforehand. The most I can get up this way is maybe 1/4 TEASPOON. So I’m going to try some other ways to try and get at least something. Does nebbing saline first contaminate a sample? I also have more mucus after exercising, but I would need to eat first. How particular are you guys about all this stuff when you get your samples?
Thanks!

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@sarahlynn1960, I see Dr. Daniels at UNC. She has a standing order for sputum samples, which reads "Brinchiectasis patient, please process sample regardless of amount." I've submitted 2 samples so far, both acceptable for culture, and I'm sure that each was less than a TBS!

I nebulize 7% saline, then Aerobika 3x, and recently started using an Autogenic Drainage (AD) app on my phone before getting a sample. AD may help you if you haven't tried that. There are instructions on doing AD online, but I found them difficult to follow. The app may not be perfect but it's very easy to use. Good luck!

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@kathyjjb Glad to hear you tried the percussion and that you think it helped. Good news.
I know that when I started my BE therapy/routine all I was doing at that time was the percussion on my front...and I cleared the plugs after awhile. I had been sleeping on my back prior to learning about sleeping on the wedge on the left side. So in my mind the mucus formed the plugs in the upper area in my upper lobe(s) due to sleeping on my back. All that was before learning that is a no, no,...for all of us....to sleep on our back. Who knew!
After clearing the upper lobe area(s).... plug(s) began accumulating in my lower lobe, left side.
I started to do my fist percussion on my back a good while after starting therapy and did add the postural drainage after learning about the plugging being worse in the lower left lobe(s).
I think I removed the plug(s) that had formed in my lower left lobe because I brought up a good size plug a month ago. It actually looked like one attached to another.
When I asked the pulmonologists if sleeping on the wedge on my left side could be contributing to the accumulation in the left lower lobe.....they said possibly.
I know you mentioned, if remember correctly you can't do postural drainage???

However for your information or for others. For my postural drainage I use the high end of the wedge pillow with a bed pillow on top of it to allow for my hip area to be higher than my trunk area and my head is therefore low. I lay on an incline and invert myself. I lay on my right side then left side then my back and do the percussion with my hands on my front and fists on my back depending how I am lying for the postural drainage. I also do autogenic breathing while I do this. I do what I would call five sets, first the hammer, (See below) then inversion postural drainage, then I sit up do autogenic drainage and huff cough, walk and use the massage hammer and then go back to repeat all....therefore about five sets of doing this.

Also, I am going to mention what I also bought to help me with percussion on my back. It is called ..... Massage Hammer, Meridians Back Knock Massager, Double Head Back Scratcher Percussion Massager, Manual Massage Hammer. It is on Amazon for about $10.00.
I am fortunate that I can use it and it is not too much for me. I use it on my back. I like that we can control the amount of 'pressure/pounding' because the pressure/pounding is regulated by our own handling of it.

Do you take really deep breaths when you breathe in the saline to get it deep into the lungs? I know they say to just do your normal breathing but I prefer the deep comfortable breaths. When you breath out do you breath out as if you are blowing on a whistle to allow for the checks to not inflate but rather somewhat deflate.

It appears you are going to master it and get it moving ....to get it out.
Barbara

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@blm1007blm1007
Thank you - much appreciated. Diagnosed Bronchiectesis and MAC 2 yrs ago. Nebilize once a day with Albuterol and acetylcysteine 20% and over the counter N-Acetyl-L-cysteine 600mg qd. Thanks again!

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@blm1007blm1007
Thank you - much appreciated. Diagnosed Bronchiectesis and MAC 2 yrs ago. Nebilize once a day with Albuterol and acetylcysteine 20% and over the counter N-Acetyl-L-cysteine 600mg qd. Thanks again!

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@katemm Have you had your sputum retested to see if the infection resolved? Any repeat CT scan to monitor disease progression?

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