Transplant anti-rejection medications. What's your advice?

Posted by jolinda @jolinda, Apr 23, 2020

Weight gain? Hair loss? Headaches? Never missed a beat? What has your experience with transplant medications been? Have you developed a methods to deal with a side-effect? Have your meds changed at all over time? What advice do you have for others in our community that may make their experience better?

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Transplants Support Group.

@gerryp

Good morning. I am just about 2 years post liver transplant - and have CKD stage 2. How long were you on Tacrolimus before they changed you to Everolimus? Are you treated at Mayo or some other hospital? My creatinine numbers are OK, but GFR is in the 60’s. I have been trying to get my Mayo team to reduce my tacrolimus dosage as I don’t want a kidney transplant in my future. I currently take 2mg twice a day and my blood level trough is in the 4-6 range. Thx for your help & experience as a 11+ year survivor.

Jump to this post

Hi, @gerryp. I thought that I would pop in for a minute to admit that I have no experience to share about changing to a different antirejection medication. I have been on Tacrolimus for nearly 15 years along with Cellcept. Prednisone was eliminated by kidney dept after 5+ years. One thing that I have had the good fortune of experiencing is how closely the liver transplant team and the kidney transplant teams operate for our best outcome. I remember that I had questions (and frustrations) about my Tacrolimus and prednisone. I found out early on that what is good for one organ is not necessarily best for the other. I can also remember that each team would explain their decision based on current research along with my current lab levels.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I encourage you to keep on asking questions. I think I saw you on one of the zoom support sessions, so I know you are in good hands at Mayo.

REPLY

This is 2Ma3WbMc. A member of my family was retransplanted on June 20, 2013 (first liver transplant was in 2003!), and has been on dialysis twice a day for 6 months.
The gigantic trauma after liver transplantation is the merciless number of immunos & co (Pantaprozol, Bactrin, Magnem and other nephrological drugs) prescribed, almost 15!!!. Among which 3 immunos!!!, the infamous TACROLIMUS (which caused severe kidney failure before the transhepatic, forcing it to be reduced to half a pill a day), the kidney killer, according to the Internet, with a prescription NOW for 5 pills a day !!! (vixe!). The other immunosuppressants taken are Prednisone, Mica-phonolate and Prograf.
In a layman's way (I'm an economist, a digital rat...) I searched the web to see if I could interfere in this Circus of Horrors, and I discovered that my country's Ministry of Health RESTRICTS the prolonged use of this immuno-suppressant for prophylaxis of liver rejection.
Of course, I was stunned and didn't know what to do, which led me, here and now, to beg for some kind of humanitarian help, specially from the members of the Support Group (as you are essential, God bless each one of you), and the Moderators of the Mayo Clinic, to at least tell us what Protocol is used, in the USA, in situations analogous to this situation above, of course without any INTERCORRENCE with this case.

REPLY
@krsti

Hey there blbird33! I take Citalopram for depression, and it melds just great with all of our other meds. I am post liver transplant about 18 months . Good luck! I have also had a suggestion of Holy Basil tea, but I haven't tried that yet. Word from the Mayo was that it should be ok, but if it starts to affect the tacro levels, then it's a no go. Hope this helps!

Jump to this post

@krsti, Hi and welcome to Connect. I think it is wonderful to see that you are 18 months post liver transplant!
I received my transplant at Mayo Rochester in 2009. Which Mayo were you transplanted?
How are you doing now that you have a year of post transplant living?

REPLY
@rosemarya

I take cellcept and tacrolimus for my liver and kidney transplant. I used to take a low dosage of prednisone per researched evidence related to my situation for several years.
While most people complain about prednisone, I experienced a positive effect! I have an autoimmune condition, Vitiligo, that produces patches of nonpigmented skin and premature white hair. I noticed that within a couple years after my transplant that my skin was an almost even skintone with no white areas. That was a pleasant surprise! When I was tapered off prednisone a few years ago, the vitiligo began to show up on my skin again. .

Anybody have a similar experience?

Jump to this post

This is really interesting. I had the exact same experience. My vitiligo has not disappeared but has improved dramitically. Vitiligo is due to an auto-immune response so I think the anti-rejection meds must tame down your immune system from attacking the pigment producing melanocytes.

REPLY
@krsti

From what I was told, the cannabis interferes with the Tacrolimus. Since it's your anti-rejection drug, I wouldn't mess with it... Best of luck though and good luck on the list!

Jump to this post

Ty for the feedback and response. I follow all protocols as per my care team at mayo in jacksonville. I posted the topic to get folks personal experiences, unlike usual social media posts seeking info from things folks heard or read etc...
All feedback here has been appreciated and I am closing the conversation. Ty again for your response and I feel very confident of being on the waiting list within 3 weeks. Ty

REPLY
@rosemarya

Hi, @gerryp. I thought that I would pop in for a minute to admit that I have no experience to share about changing to a different antirejection medication. I have been on Tacrolimus for nearly 15 years along with Cellcept. Prednisone was eliminated by kidney dept after 5+ years. One thing that I have had the good fortune of experiencing is how closely the liver transplant team and the kidney transplant teams operate for our best outcome. I remember that I had questions (and frustrations) about my Tacrolimus and prednisone. I found out early on that what is good for one organ is not necessarily best for the other. I can also remember that each team would explain their decision based on current research along with my current lab levels.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I encourage you to keep on asking questions. I think I saw you on one of the zoom support sessions, so I know you are in good hands at Mayo.

Jump to this post

Thank you Rosemary. The more I research this the more I learn about the impact of different medications. I was on dialysis when I went into organ failure early on - and I don’t really want to have that in my future if I can at all help it. So I ask questions but I don’t really get good answers. This was the first post that l saw where someone had made the switch in medications. I don’t want to second guess my wonderful docs but I also recognize that we have to advocate for ourselves.
I do try to attend the weekly Zoom meetings. This group provided me with so much hope when I was so very ill. The least I can do is try to pay it forward. I wish I had known you were on the calls! So many of the participants are unaware of the MayoConnect blog. I find it super helpful and have promoted it on the support group calls. Please let me know when you are on the call next time if you see me there. Thanks for all your great counsel on the connect site. Gerry

REPLY
@mwb37

This is 2Ma3WbMc. A member of my family was retransplanted on June 20, 2013 (first liver transplant was in 2003!), and has been on dialysis twice a day for 6 months.
The gigantic trauma after liver transplantation is the merciless number of immunos & co (Pantaprozol, Bactrin, Magnem and other nephrological drugs) prescribed, almost 15!!!. Among which 3 immunos!!!, the infamous TACROLIMUS (which caused severe kidney failure before the transhepatic, forcing it to be reduced to half a pill a day), the kidney killer, according to the Internet, with a prescription NOW for 5 pills a day !!! (vixe!). The other immunosuppressants taken are Prednisone, Mica-phonolate and Prograf.
In a layman's way (I'm an economist, a digital rat...) I searched the web to see if I could interfere in this Circus of Horrors, and I discovered that my country's Ministry of Health RESTRICTS the prolonged use of this immuno-suppressant for prophylaxis of liver rejection.
Of course, I was stunned and didn't know what to do, which led me, here and now, to beg for some kind of humanitarian help, specially from the members of the Support Group (as you are essential, God bless each one of you), and the Moderators of the Mayo Clinic, to at least tell us what Protocol is used, in the USA, in situations analogous to this situation above, of course without any INTERCORRENCE with this case.

Jump to this post

Hi @mwb37, it sounds like you are worried for your family member and distressed at the lack of clear answers. If you would like to get a second opinion from a Mayo Clinic expert, you can submit a request here: http://mayocl.in/1mtmR63

If I understand your post correctly, your questions to fellow liver transplant recipients are
- How long did you take immuno-suppressing medications to prevent liver rejection?
- What is the standard amount of time?
- Did immunosuppressants cause kidney damage?

Do I have that right?

REPLY
@rosemarya

@krsti, Hi and welcome to Connect. I think it is wonderful to see that you are 18 months post liver transplant!
I received my transplant at Mayo Rochester in 2009. Which Mayo were you transplanted?
How are you doing now that you have a year of post transplant living?

Jump to this post

Hi there! I was transplanted in 2022 at the Phoenix campus. And I am doing really well. no complications, knock on wood, and I am still amazed. The only thing that is off is this darn weight gain! 2009! That's amazing! Congratulations!!! How are you doing?

REPLY
@krsti

Hi there! I was transplanted in 2022 at the Phoenix campus. And I am doing really well. no complications, knock on wood, and I am still amazed. The only thing that is off is this darn weight gain! 2009! That's amazing! Congratulations!!! How are you doing?

Jump to this post

Hi, @krsti. I am happy to hear that you are doing well! That is a great way to begin the new year, isn't it? Like you, I am still amazed at the entire transplant process and I feel so blessed to have been given 15 years of life because of my anonymous donor. I still get very emotional when I think about what could have been...but since transplant I have been able to resume my favorite activities with an annual trip to Mayo Rochester for check-up.

Weight gain is a constant challenge for me, too. After transplant I needed to gain weight because I was skin and bones. I met with a nutritionist during one of my Mayo visits and that was a big help for me to adjust my food choices. I also discovered and purchased the Mayo Diet Plan Book in the Mayo Clinic bookstore and use the healthy eating plan as my guide.

As I was looking for information to share, I came upon this article from the Transplant Blog Newsfeed. I read that for liver transplant patients, "One study showed a median weight gain of 11.24 pounds at one year after liver transplant and a 20.94-pound weight increase three years after transplant." Here is the link for more information:
- Weight Gain After Transplant: Where Does it Come From and How to Get Rid of It
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/blog/transplant/newsfeed-post/weight-gain-after-transplant-where-does-it-come-from-and-how-to-get-rid-of-it-2/

Krisit, Have you ever consulted with a nutritionist while at Mayo?

REPLY
@rosemarya

Hi, @krsti. I am happy to hear that you are doing well! That is a great way to begin the new year, isn't it? Like you, I am still amazed at the entire transplant process and I feel so blessed to have been given 15 years of life because of my anonymous donor. I still get very emotional when I think about what could have been...but since transplant I have been able to resume my favorite activities with an annual trip to Mayo Rochester for check-up.

Weight gain is a constant challenge for me, too. After transplant I needed to gain weight because I was skin and bones. I met with a nutritionist during one of my Mayo visits and that was a big help for me to adjust my food choices. I also discovered and purchased the Mayo Diet Plan Book in the Mayo Clinic bookstore and use the healthy eating plan as my guide.

As I was looking for information to share, I came upon this article from the Transplant Blog Newsfeed. I read that for liver transplant patients, "One study showed a median weight gain of 11.24 pounds at one year after liver transplant and a 20.94-pound weight increase three years after transplant." Here is the link for more information:
- Weight Gain After Transplant: Where Does it Come From and How to Get Rid of It
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/blog/transplant/newsfeed-post/weight-gain-after-transplant-where-does-it-come-from-and-how-to-get-rid-of-it-2/

Krisit, Have you ever consulted with a nutritionist while at Mayo?

Jump to this post

Thanks for giving me that link. And yes, I did talk with the nutritionist, but it was mainly when I needed to gain weight. I was about 40 lbs under what I needed to be. But now I am 60-70 lbs OVER what I should be. Altogether, I have put on 100 lbs since I came out. Again, I did need to gain, but I can't seem to stop this. I was Celiac before the surgery, and am not now, so curbing my love for real bread is tough, lol. I will contact them today. I talked to my hubby last night about the Mayo diet, and he is cautiously on board. Thank you very much for your support.

REPLY
Please sign in or register to post a reply.