Why Us?

Posted by layingthegroundwork @layingthegroundwork, Jun 4 10:13am

My question is simply why us? What did we do wrong? Smoking too much, drinking too much? Living too much? Sex too much? Premature birth? Environmental hazards? What is the link criteria that makes us more prone to this disease? Is there anything that we can do or should have done differently?

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Profile picture for northoftheborder @northoftheborder

@smoore4 "A comprehensive global analysis published in Nature Health reviewed hundreds of health studies and confirmed that alcohol consistently raises the risk of prostate cancer, with the danger rising steadily alongside lifetime consumption."

Or that excessive alcohol consumption and cancer risk share some common cause or origin (like ice cream consumption and shark attacks, which both peak during warm weather). We need to take correlations seriously — and there are lots of other good reasons to avoid heavy drinking anyway (liver damage, brain damage, and type 2 diabetes being high on the list) — but again, these are not simple control levers we can use to prevent cancer.

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@northoftheborder "We need to take correlations seriously "

Remember the old adage, "correlation is not causation." A misunderstanding of this principle is the root of many quack "cures."

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Hard to know. I ate two eggs for breakfast daily for years, looking for low-calorie protein, and learned after diagnosis that Choline in eggs shows a bent toward encouraging prostate cancer. A former sister-in-law died at 61 recently after fighting stage IV breast cancer for 18 years by adding becoming "ultra vegan" to her radiation, chemotherapy, and surgeries. I'm just grateful prostate cancer is relatively treatable.

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Profile picture for northoftheborder @northoftheborder

@smoore4 "A comprehensive global analysis published in Nature Health reviewed hundreds of health studies and confirmed that alcohol consistently raises the risk of prostate cancer, with the danger rising steadily alongside lifetime consumption."

Or that excessive alcohol consumption and cancer risk share some common cause or origin (like ice cream consumption and shark attacks, which both peak during warm weather). We need to take correlations seriously — and there are lots of other good reasons to avoid heavy drinking anyway (liver damage, brain damage, and type 2 diabetes being high on the list) — but again, these are not simple control levers we can use to prevent cancer.

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@northoftheborder Not one doctor mentioned this unless it was implied. I think this should be yelled from the rooftops! Thank you

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Profile picture for jime51 @jime51

Hard to know. I ate two eggs for breakfast daily for years, looking for low-calorie protein, and learned after diagnosis that Choline in eggs shows a bent toward encouraging prostate cancer. A former sister-in-law died at 61 recently after fighting stage IV breast cancer for 18 years by adding becoming "ultra vegan" to her radiation, chemotherapy, and surgeries. I'm just grateful prostate cancer is relatively treatable.

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@jime51 sorry to hear about your loss. Sharing your thoughts is helpful. I asked this question because I’m wondering if there is a possibility of letting others know things they shouldn’t do.

Thank you.

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Profile picture for smoore4 @smoore4

Apparently, alcohol consumption in your youth is a factor:

A prominent study published in Cancer Prevention Research tracked the lifetime drinking habits of men and found a striking correlation:

The Adolescent Risk: Men who consumed 7 or more drinks per week between the ages of 15 and 19 had more than triple the odds (3.2 times the risk) of being diagnosed with aggressive, high-grade prostate cancer compared to those who didn't drink.

The Young Adult Risk: This exact same triple-risk pattern held true for men who drank heavily during their 20s and 30s.

The Modern Consensus: A comprehensive global analysis published in Nature Health reviewed hundreds of health studies and confirmed that alcohol consistently raises the risk of prostate cancer, with the danger rising steadily alongside lifetime consumption.

This would certainly apply to me and most of my boomer buddies of the same age.

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@smoore4 Totally - and regretfully agree! What was purported to be ‘moderate’ drinking for decades is now labelled ‘heavy’ consumption, and the correlation to a list of medical woes is extensive.
I gave up alcohol completely 3 1/2 years ago when a simple blood test showed me to be ‘pre-diabetic’.
How can this be? I wondered when I don’t drink soda, juices, eat candy, cookies, etc. Had to be the 2 scotches (2 measured shotglasses - no more!) I consumed every night before dinner… Well, no more ‘pre diabetes….
I kick myself hard in the ass because I’ve known since forever that alcohol is a cellular poison. Did it cause my cancer? Maybe, but nothing’s definite; but it surely raised the risk when combined with other toxins unintentionally ingested in the air, water and USDA certified foods we eat.
Like a plane crash, it is never ONE thing that leads to the calamity, but a succession of errors all adding up to a big fat disaster…
Phil

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Profile picture for carlsbadguy @carlsbadguy

@smoore4 Those are interesting studies and statistics. I drank heavily as a teenager, and all through my 20s. However I quit drinking on Oct 16, 1984, clean and sober for 41 years. BUT, my father passed from esophageal cancer when he was 56, and between me and my 5 siblings, 4 of us have had cancer, 2 prostate, 1 colorectal and 1 breast cancer. So, perhaps my youthful alcohol consumption played a role in my prostate cancer, however I would wager my cancer is more likely from my genetics. Surprisingly, my mother passed only 3 years ago at the age of 94 from natural causes, never had any form of cancer. She was as sharp as a tack right up to her passing.

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@carlsbadguy Likewise my mother, who lived to be almost 99. She smoked 3 packs of cigarettes per day for most of her life until we took them away at age 88 due to dementia. She started at age 8 - YES, I said EIGHT! In her father’s saloon, grabbing still smoldering butts from the dirty barroom floor and puffing them back to life.
A revolting, disgusting thing to do but she truly loved the well dressed, handsome thugs that inhabited the barroom, taking bets, selling swag and living the dream!🤣

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Profile picture for Jeff Marchi @jeffmarc

One in eight men get it. If over 70 it’s one in six.

If you have a genetic problem that may cause it to occur.

If your father or uncles or brothers, got it then your chances increased by over 100%.

I don’t think there’s anything people can do to prevent it from happening, Though some people say going on a completely vegetarian diet can Make a big difference.

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@jeffmarc So true, my father had PC, and all three of his sons also. Last son currently undergoing treatment. I have told my two sons to start their annual psa testing, to find it early if possible. Urologist for my brother convinced him to have genetic testing done to better understand the risks I think?

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Profile picture for oldgreenpaint @oldgreenpaint

@jeffmarc So true, my father had PC, and all three of his sons also. Last son currently undergoing treatment. I have told my two sons to start their annual psa testing, to find it early if possible. Urologist for my brother convinced him to have genetic testing done to better understand the risks I think?

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@oldgreenpaint
My father died of prostate cancer, but I got BRCA2 From my mother. That’s why I got PC at 62 but my brother got it at 77 because he doesn’t have BRCA2.

All brothers should be tested, any one could have a genetic problem which could be passed on their children.

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I am a healthy eater. Even more before surgery. Spinach salad almost every day for lunch, not organic however. I read a study that correlated healthier eaters (higher intake of raw vegetables) with increased risk for prostate cancer. Pesticides/ insecticide dilemma.

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@tattodice - I had to read your “healthy eater” comment a couple of times to get what you meant - where I’m from, “healthy eater” is someone who eats large portions of heavy, substantial comfort foods, like meatloaf and chicken-and-dumplings! 😉

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