Vibration and massage therapy

Posted by bulgebattler @bulgebattler, Feb 20, 2019

Are vibration therapy and massages of any benefit against neuropathy?

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@bkruppa

Can one effectively do MFR at home? My wife has gone to so many doctors and clinics with no success that going to another doesn't get her attention anymore. I've tried to find spots on her to release but everything feels the same. What should one look for/feel in order to do the MFR procedure?

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@bkruppa Yes, you can make progress doing MFR at home and you can do it every day if you have the time, or a few days a week. I have done a lot for myself at home that combined with what my physical therapist does helps me progress faster. I have so many layers to work through, and it just takes time. I can't reach everything that my therapist can, but I can add a lot and she tells me where to work. What you may want to try is to contact an expert level MFR therapist who can show you what to do and explain it. My PT explains it by pushing all different directions when you start, and find the direction that has the most ability to move and start with that. The key is to hold the tension against the tissue until it starts to give. When you start. that might take 15 minutes to begin to slide and you have to be patient. Use your body weight to push, not your muscles, so you don't tire out. You have to learn the feel of it in your hands, and the patient can develop body awareness and tell you where they feel it in their body. You can also go to one of the teaching seminars as a couple to learn the techniques. There are a couple of these a year. I sent you a private message with information that I found on the website for myofascialrelease.com.

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@johnbishop

Hi Jim @bulgebattler — I just went to the website in the post by @jenniferhunter and found a link to locate a MFR therapist.
http://mfrtherapists.com/
I wished I could find one a little closer Rochester but there are quite a few scattered around the Minneapolis area. I think it will benefit me quite a bit from what I've read so far.
John

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Dear John, what would be the first line of tests that we need to do in order to get the exact diagnose and find out why dad’s feet feel like its swallen but its not and seems like he is walking on rocks. We assume that it is due to chemo but we cannot only assume. It seems doctors in Georgia do not have a good understanding how to diagnose the issues. They requested B12 test and tesult is >2000. It seems very high but does it mean that B12 does not get absorbed and it causes neuropathy? I am juat trying to figure out what kind tests he needs to do. Thanks. Ina

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Hello @ina3, I have no medical training or background but expect that the answer to your question is your dad would need to see a neurologist at a major hospital or health provider like Mayo Clinic where a team of specialists can look at the different health symptoms and come up with a diagnosis. Even then it could end up being idiopathic like mine is. This short video by Matthew B Jensen Assistant Professor of Neurology, University of Wisconsin that gives a good explanation of how the different neuropathies are diagnosed.

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@johnbishop

Hello @ina3, I have no medical training or background but expect that the answer to your question is your dad would need to see a neurologist at a major hospital or health provider like Mayo Clinic where a team of specialists can look at the different health symptoms and come up with a diagnosis. Even then it could end up being idiopathic like mine is. This short video by Matthew B Jensen Assistant Professor of Neurology, University of Wisconsin that gives a good explanation of how the different neuropathies are diagnosed.

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Thanks John. You are so helpful for me and I surely appreciate it. I have recently seen a physiotherapist who assessed stenosis for pain occurring in my left thigh. She advised that there is no cure for it but I continue to research info on it. This video gives a good grounding for understanding what is going on so much appreciated. I will be following up with her for exercises to strengthen my core muscles as I also have 2 hernias in my stomach area and a couple of herniated discs in the lumbar area. So I want to learn as much as I can on all of this and the video gives a great jumping off point

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@bulgebattler

Thanks John. You are so helpful for me and I surely appreciate it. I have recently seen a physiotherapist who assessed stenosis for pain occurring in my left thigh. She advised that there is no cure for it but I continue to research info on it. This video gives a good grounding for understanding what is going on so much appreciated. I will be following up with her for exercises to strengthen my core muscles as I also have 2 hernias in my stomach area and a couple of herniated discs in the lumbar area. So I want to learn as much as I can on all of this and the video gives a great jumping off point

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Glad to help @bulgebattler! There is another discussion here on Connect that you may be interested in joining.

> Groups > Neuropathy > Myofascial Release Therapy (MFR) for treating compression and pain
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/

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I find myself massaging my toes and feet every time I have a free moment, just to make sure that they are still there. I know this is good for my hands as well, since I have polyneuropathy. But I’d love to find something not terribly expensive that would work to stimulate my mostly numb toes and feet.

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Hi @stefspad Back in the seventies we bought a thing called (at the time) a "footsie roller", and I see something similar on Amazon now. Basically it has firm grooves and you roll it under your feet and toes. Take a look: https://smile.amazon.com/Wooden-Roller-Body-Back-Company/dp/B000KK2RJC/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=footsie+roller&qid=1598551004&sr=8-5

There is also a thing my wife used to put between her toes for her PN. I could not find the exact same thing but here is something similar from Amazon:
https://smile.amazon.com/Pedi-Soother-Solutions-Arch-Support/dp/B07CQP6Z3F/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=toe+spreader+for+neuropathy&qid=1598551219&sr=8-5
Maybe someone else knows how to find the other thing for putting between the toes that might be better. That's all I've got, hope it may help. Best, Hank

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@stefspad

I find myself massaging my toes and feet every time I have a free moment, just to make sure that they are still there. I know this is good for my hands as well, since I have polyneuropathy. But I’d love to find something not terribly expensive that would work to stimulate my mostly numb toes and feet.

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Hi @stefspad, You will notice we have merged your discussion with a similar discussion on Vibration and massage therapy in the Neuropathy Group. I see that you have already met Hank @jesfactsmon and he has offered some suggestions. Early on when I was looking for something to help my neuropathy I bought a small hand held massager made by Wahl and while it made my feet feel better for a few minutes it didn't really help my neuropathy. Here is the one I tried for less than $30 – https://www.amazon.com/Wahl-Therapy-Therapeutic-Massager-4196-1201/dp/B00YMRTDF0/ref=sr_1_8

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@jesfactsmon

Hi @stefspad Back in the seventies we bought a thing called (at the time) a "footsie roller", and I see something similar on Amazon now. Basically it has firm grooves and you roll it under your feet and toes. Take a look: https://smile.amazon.com/Wooden-Roller-Body-Back-Company/dp/B000KK2RJC/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=footsie+roller&qid=1598551004&sr=8-5

There is also a thing my wife used to put between her toes for her PN. I could not find the exact same thing but here is something similar from Amazon:
https://smile.amazon.com/Pedi-Soother-Solutions-Arch-Support/dp/B07CQP6Z3F/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=toe+spreader+for+neuropathy&qid=1598551219&sr=8-5
Maybe someone else knows how to find the other thing for putting between the toes that might be better. That's all I've got, hope it may help. Best, Hank

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Thanks, Hank. I have both and use them nearly every day. I’m looking for something a little stronger. Let me know if you come across something like that. Steph

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@johnbishop

Hi @stefspad, You will notice we have merged your discussion with a similar discussion on Vibration and massage therapy in the Neuropathy Group. I see that you have already met Hank @jesfactsmon and he has offered some suggestions. Early on when I was looking for something to help my neuropathy I bought a small hand held massager made by Wahl and while it made my feet feel better for a few minutes it didn't really help my neuropathy. Here is the one I tried for less than $30 – https://www.amazon.com/Wahl-Therapy-Therapeutic-Massager-4196-1201/dp/B00YMRTDF0/ref=sr_1_8

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Thanks for the link, John. I’ve added it to my Amazon wish list. I will probably have the same result that you did, but I feel like I’ve got to try it… Will let you know how it goes. Steph P.S. I see where it will also give me a facial, so I won’t mind spending the money if it doesn’t work for my feet. 😉

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For temporary relief of my handa heat seems to help. My son put some rice in an old T shirt twisting and cutting it to size. About 2 minutes inthe microwave gives 30 -40 minutes of relief. Also use Therabeads that are in something like a mitten. About 90 seconds gives half hour of relief, Found the Therabead mitten on Amazon

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@cnn

For temporary relief of my handa heat seems to help. My son put some rice in an old T shirt twisting and cutting it to size. About 2 minutes inthe microwave gives 30 -40 minutes of relief. Also use Therabeads that are in something like a mitten. About 90 seconds gives half hour of relief, Found the Therabead mitten on Amazon

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Hello, just an FYI about microwaving a rice. We have some of those type of heaters that have different grains inside of them, and one of them caught fire recently and I think it might have been under 2 minutes. They say only do 30 minutes at a time, shake them around, then another 30 but I think a minute-and-a-half is the most they say. Boy it was pretty bad and Smokey and smells bad. Very scary! But that is what I use for my feet and hands as well as a heating pad for my hands and I couldn't be without them! Take good care, Sunny 😊

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