Vaginal atrophy and painful intercourse: What helps?

Posted by Anonymous297113 @anonymous297113, Sep 27, 2022

Seems like vaginal atrophy is a taboo topic, yet so many women are suffering with this. It’s a subject so difficult to discuss with your husband, partner, doctors, etc. Many women have told me estrogen creams don’t work, Mona Lisa type treatments don’t help, and our sex lives are non-existent.

Honestly I feel almost worthless when it comes to being intimate. It’s really sad and I wish I could have normal sex again without feeling like I’m being stabbed by a knife, hiding my face crying, and swollen.

Have you found anything that helps?

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@kpederso

I used premarin cream twice a week & it worked great. I can no longer take it due to the anastrozole I'm taking for breast cancer (lumpectomy stage 1A). I dried up just like you & intercourse is impossible & my partner understands, we just find other ways, forplay etc., it works. You just have to use it right, twice a week to keep your self pliable. Also, use a very small amount. I'd change doctors who are more knowledgeable on HRT. It's also been said that if you have taken HRT right after menopause you should be fine, but I'd only recommend the cream in very small dose.

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Thank you for your comments. I had the same diagnosis as you plu HER negative. After 8 months of AI's, my doctor ordered a sequence analysis of 9 genes & my cancer diagnosis combined. My results were negative, & now I use premarin cream, as I used to before AI treatment. HRT is wonderful, but some dr's just shake their heads at it, but in all reality, it's just doing what the body was doing before menopause. Your recommendation to find a Dr who has studied HRT is the best thing I ever did. With the diagnostic testing results, I was able to stop all drugs &, again, use premarin cream sparingly; it's enough to top the dryness & itching. I'm 75 & so much better, but I'm lucky & I know that.

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@naturegirl5

I have struggled with the very same problem for at least 8 years. It's been so awful and at first I got nowhere. I talked with my gynecologist and my primary care doctor during that time and received very unsatisfactory answers. I felt like no one took me seriously. Finally, I was prescribed Estrace vaginal cream that I used and it did help although I still experienced some pain with intercourse on occasion. My partner and I were already using a lubricant during sex before I started having the problems.

I learned about the Mayo Clinic Women's Menopause Clinic from my nurse practitioner at Mayo Clinic. I have been seen at that clinic and it's been so very helpful. I feel like someone finally gets what I've been going through. I've seen a psychologist who specializes in sex therapy, education nurses who explain different types of vaginal moisturizers and lubricants and a nurse practitioner who did a complete exam with me holding a mirror so I could see what she saw as she educated me.

If there is a clinic like this near you I highly recommend it. Because I had endometrial cancer I can no longer use the estrogen cream (applied topically only to the lower 1/3 of the vagina by the way - instructions I got from Mayo Clinic that were different from what is on the package). I now use non-estrogen vaginal moisturizers a few times a week that work for me. And here is one other tip. My partner uses Ohnuts (I bought as a gift for us) which reduce the depth of penetration. We have both needed to change our expectations about sex . It's been more difficult for me than for him because like you I loved what my body did in the past and just let it do that. I can't do that anymore.
https://ohnut.co/
I hope this helps. It is a constant struggle to find out what will work for you but I think it's possible.

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I have had the same problem needing to correct atrophy-related symptoms, and I have none of those. My reasons are purely selfish. I am 57 now, but was maybe 54 when Vaginal Atrophy hit me. I say "hit me" because it happened overnight. My husband and I have always enjoyed a very active sex life, and one night it was great as always, and the next, it felt like he was wearing a condom made of tiny knives slicing me up. All at once, fine one day, and you can never have great sex again the next. I just cried and cried because my husband has turned to younger women a few times now to satisfy his needs because I simply could not do it anymore. It is ruining my marriage. Like someone else said I first talked to my primary who had nothing relevant to say at all and then a nurse practitioner/gyn that is a sex/menopause specialist. My primary ridiculously told me to try lubricants. There does not exist a lubricant that can help this kind of pain unless it has the stuff they use at the dentist in it, then maybe. The specialist told me it was vaginal atrophy, and prescribed estradiol vaginal cream. As I began to use it, it did help a little, but not that much, and a side effect I noticed was my hair began to fall out. Numerous professionals have told me that is not possible, that estrogen helps hair regrow, not the opposite but when I read the entire paper that came with it, in the fine print, hair loss was listed as a possible side effect. So then I had to choose between my hair falling out in patches or a better sex life but still not perfect. So I stopped taking it. Now when we want to be intimate, I take 6 or 8 Ibuprofins and have 3 shots of Tequila, and I can get through it and sometimes actually enjoy it for a little while. In the end, I am still so sad because vaginal atrophy literally ruined my life. Now I've gained some weight, and I feel like I am not a real woman anymore. I feel unattractive and now I have trust issues with my husband who says "you didn't just expect me to never have sex again just because you can't, did you? " Yep, that's my man, I can't believe more people in their 50's don't off themselves. Everything you care about is gone, including good sex, slim body, kids have all moved out, I have no friends near me anymore, and now my husband cheats occasionally and I'm supposed to be ok with that because I guess it's my fault. I need help with this issue. Real help before it's too late for me. Any suggestions at all would be welcomed appreciatively. I sound like a baby. With so many of you having way more serious things going on like cancers, endometriosis, and urology issues, I am so sorry I feel ridiculous even bringing this up.

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I'm with you, exact same. There has to be an answer, but what is it?

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@wifey5000

I have had the same problem needing to correct atrophy-related symptoms, and I have none of those. My reasons are purely selfish. I am 57 now, but was maybe 54 when Vaginal Atrophy hit me. I say "hit me" because it happened overnight. My husband and I have always enjoyed a very active sex life, and one night it was great as always, and the next, it felt like he was wearing a condom made of tiny knives slicing me up. All at once, fine one day, and you can never have great sex again the next. I just cried and cried because my husband has turned to younger women a few times now to satisfy his needs because I simply could not do it anymore. It is ruining my marriage. Like someone else said I first talked to my primary who had nothing relevant to say at all and then a nurse practitioner/gyn that is a sex/menopause specialist. My primary ridiculously told me to try lubricants. There does not exist a lubricant that can help this kind of pain unless it has the stuff they use at the dentist in it, then maybe. The specialist told me it was vaginal atrophy, and prescribed estradiol vaginal cream. As I began to use it, it did help a little, but not that much, and a side effect I noticed was my hair began to fall out. Numerous professionals have told me that is not possible, that estrogen helps hair regrow, not the opposite but when I read the entire paper that came with it, in the fine print, hair loss was listed as a possible side effect. So then I had to choose between my hair falling out in patches or a better sex life but still not perfect. So I stopped taking it. Now when we want to be intimate, I take 6 or 8 Ibuprofins and have 3 shots of Tequila, and I can get through it and sometimes actually enjoy it for a little while. In the end, I am still so sad because vaginal atrophy literally ruined my life. Now I've gained some weight, and I feel like I am not a real woman anymore. I feel unattractive and now I have trust issues with my husband who says "you didn't just expect me to never have sex again just because you can't, did you? " Yep, that's my man, I can't believe more people in their 50's don't off themselves. Everything you care about is gone, including good sex, slim body, kids have all moved out, I have no friends near me anymore, and now my husband cheats occasionally and I'm supposed to be ok with that because I guess it's my fault. I need help with this issue. Real help before it's too late for me. Any suggestions at all would be welcomed appreciatively. I sound like a baby. With so many of you having way more serious things going on like cancers, endometriosis, and urology issues, I am so sorry I feel ridiculous even bringing this up.

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Pelvic floor dysfunction can be helped tremendously by pelvic floor physical therapy. Can you ask your gynecologist to refer you?
Usually, the estrogen cream does the trick, too, but in your case maybe try coconut oil? Not just when you have sex, but all the time.
I am sorry that you aren’t getting the support from your husband that you need.

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Find another gynecologist. Find one that believes a woman’s sex life is very important. I don’t know how to help you with that, I’ve had similar issues.

Most likely your estrogen/testosterone levels are out of balance causing the hair loss. There is hormone replacement that considers testosterone levels, and can help. Too much testosterone causes the hair loss.

I had found the estradiol cream that is inserted into the vagina doesn’t help much. I realized the majority of the cream stays up in the vaginal canal. That is not where the friction is! The vaginal opening is where I had the most pain . . . and well, duh. When I applied the estradiol cream directly onto this area it helped tremendously. It not only increases moisture but also plumps the skin. The friction is then not squeezing dry skin against the pubic bone, painful! Like cuts by a thousand knives! It can also help to put some estradiol on the clitoris, it brings a better blood supply back and revives it.

Now that I figured out how to deal with my vaginal atrophy, I got breast cancer. I can no longer use estradiol and cannot do hormone replacement. However I’m on a drug to prevent cancer recurrence and it actually has provided some relief for the atrophy. So I’m good for 3 more years. Maybe there will be a miracle cure for vaginal atrophy by then! 🙂

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@wifey5000

I have had the same problem needing to correct atrophy-related symptoms, and I have none of those. My reasons are purely selfish. I am 57 now, but was maybe 54 when Vaginal Atrophy hit me. I say "hit me" because it happened overnight. My husband and I have always enjoyed a very active sex life, and one night it was great as always, and the next, it felt like he was wearing a condom made of tiny knives slicing me up. All at once, fine one day, and you can never have great sex again the next. I just cried and cried because my husband has turned to younger women a few times now to satisfy his needs because I simply could not do it anymore. It is ruining my marriage. Like someone else said I first talked to my primary who had nothing relevant to say at all and then a nurse practitioner/gyn that is a sex/menopause specialist. My primary ridiculously told me to try lubricants. There does not exist a lubricant that can help this kind of pain unless it has the stuff they use at the dentist in it, then maybe. The specialist told me it was vaginal atrophy, and prescribed estradiol vaginal cream. As I began to use it, it did help a little, but not that much, and a side effect I noticed was my hair began to fall out. Numerous professionals have told me that is not possible, that estrogen helps hair regrow, not the opposite but when I read the entire paper that came with it, in the fine print, hair loss was listed as a possible side effect. So then I had to choose between my hair falling out in patches or a better sex life but still not perfect. So I stopped taking it. Now when we want to be intimate, I take 6 or 8 Ibuprofins and have 3 shots of Tequila, and I can get through it and sometimes actually enjoy it for a little while. In the end, I am still so sad because vaginal atrophy literally ruined my life. Now I've gained some weight, and I feel like I am not a real woman anymore. I feel unattractive and now I have trust issues with my husband who says "you didn't just expect me to never have sex again just because you can't, did you? " Yep, that's my man, I can't believe more people in their 50's don't off themselves. Everything you care about is gone, including good sex, slim body, kids have all moved out, I have no friends near me anymore, and now my husband cheats occasionally and I'm supposed to be ok with that because I guess it's my fault. I need help with this issue. Real help before it's too late for me. Any suggestions at all would be welcomed appreciatively. I sound like a baby. With so many of you having way more serious things going on like cancers, endometriosis, and urology issues, I am so sorry I feel ridiculous even bringing this up.

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I take Osphena 60 mg for this. It's helped tremendously. My husband also uses a Replens lubricant. I've also found Replens for myself helpful. I'm sorry you've not found support and help from your spouse. Be careful yiurself if he's having sexual relations outside the marriage. You might want to consider talking to someone about all that's going on for you right now.

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@wifey5000

I have had the same problem needing to correct atrophy-related symptoms, and I have none of those. My reasons are purely selfish. I am 57 now, but was maybe 54 when Vaginal Atrophy hit me. I say "hit me" because it happened overnight. My husband and I have always enjoyed a very active sex life, and one night it was great as always, and the next, it felt like he was wearing a condom made of tiny knives slicing me up. All at once, fine one day, and you can never have great sex again the next. I just cried and cried because my husband has turned to younger women a few times now to satisfy his needs because I simply could not do it anymore. It is ruining my marriage. Like someone else said I first talked to my primary who had nothing relevant to say at all and then a nurse practitioner/gyn that is a sex/menopause specialist. My primary ridiculously told me to try lubricants. There does not exist a lubricant that can help this kind of pain unless it has the stuff they use at the dentist in it, then maybe. The specialist told me it was vaginal atrophy, and prescribed estradiol vaginal cream. As I began to use it, it did help a little, but not that much, and a side effect I noticed was my hair began to fall out. Numerous professionals have told me that is not possible, that estrogen helps hair regrow, not the opposite but when I read the entire paper that came with it, in the fine print, hair loss was listed as a possible side effect. So then I had to choose between my hair falling out in patches or a better sex life but still not perfect. So I stopped taking it. Now when we want to be intimate, I take 6 or 8 Ibuprofins and have 3 shots of Tequila, and I can get through it and sometimes actually enjoy it for a little while. In the end, I am still so sad because vaginal atrophy literally ruined my life. Now I've gained some weight, and I feel like I am not a real woman anymore. I feel unattractive and now I have trust issues with my husband who says "you didn't just expect me to never have sex again just because you can't, did you? " Yep, that's my man, I can't believe more people in their 50's don't off themselves. Everything you care about is gone, including good sex, slim body, kids have all moved out, I have no friends near me anymore, and now my husband cheats occasionally and I'm supposed to be ok with that because I guess it's my fault. I need help with this issue. Real help before it's too late for me. Any suggestions at all would be welcomed appreciatively. I sound like a baby. With so many of you having way more serious things going on like cancers, endometriosis, and urology issues, I am so sorry I feel ridiculous even bringing this up.

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@wifey5000 My now former primary care provider also told me to use more lubricant. That poor advice as well as a few other reasons caused me to look for another primary. There are reasonable solutions to vaginal atrophy. I finally felt listened to and worked with a nurse educator at Mayo Clinic's Menopause and Women's Sexual Health Clinic:

-- https://www.mayoclinic.org/departments-centers/menopause-womens-sexual-health/overview/ovc-20487915

Can I say I'm furious with your husband? I will also say that I understand a man's point of view about sex because that's how we have all been acculturated our entire lives. As my body changed, I've had one "insult" after another to my body due to endometrial cancer treatments .I have asked my partner on more than one occasion why he chooses to accommodate me. Like you, vaginal sex is just painful for me. I can no longer use vaginal estradiol which really helped in the past. Why? Because my cancer was estrogen positive so all estrogen products are off-the-table for me. I do use a lubricant on a regular basis to treat the vaginal dryness. It doesn't work as well as vaginal estradiol but it works. This is what I use which was recommended by the radiation oncologist:

Hyalo-Gyn:

-- https://hyalogyn.com/tools/recurring/get-subscription-access

My husband says that it's the whole package. Yes, sex is important to both of us and our sex life has changed to accommodate me. Frankly, it could just as easily be him if he had developed erectile dysfunction (ED) or prostate cancer. If that had happened would I seek out a younger partner? No, that's just not me.

You aren't a baby about your own challenges. Your problems are real and significant for you. You do sound like a wife whose husband is thinking of his own needs outside of your marriage and he rationalizes it by blaming you. I wouldn't be OK with that either. I've been married to a husband (now ex-husband) who cheated on me. I know what it feels like and in my case he also blamed me.

Have you thought about going to counseling? Would your husband go to marriage counseling with you so you could both talk about this together? Or would you want to go on your own?

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@conniefg

I take Osphena 60 mg for this. It's helped tremendously. My husband also uses a Replens lubricant. I've also found Replens for myself helpful. I'm sorry you've not found support and help from your spouse. Be careful yiurself if he's having sexual relations outside the marriage. You might want to consider talking to someone about all that's going on for you right now.

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@conniefg Thank you for your post! Osphena is very similar to the tamoxifen that I’m taking for breast cancer. But it’s less toxic. The effects on my vagina from tamoxifen is the same action that osphena has. Tamoxifen has a stronger effect on the estrogen in breast tissue and that’s why I take it. Osphena may be what I can take when I’ve finished the 5 years of tamoxifen. Thank you!

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@wifey5000

I have had the same problem needing to correct atrophy-related symptoms, and I have none of those. My reasons are purely selfish. I am 57 now, but was maybe 54 when Vaginal Atrophy hit me. I say "hit me" because it happened overnight. My husband and I have always enjoyed a very active sex life, and one night it was great as always, and the next, it felt like he was wearing a condom made of tiny knives slicing me up. All at once, fine one day, and you can never have great sex again the next. I just cried and cried because my husband has turned to younger women a few times now to satisfy his needs because I simply could not do it anymore. It is ruining my marriage. Like someone else said I first talked to my primary who had nothing relevant to say at all and then a nurse practitioner/gyn that is a sex/menopause specialist. My primary ridiculously told me to try lubricants. There does not exist a lubricant that can help this kind of pain unless it has the stuff they use at the dentist in it, then maybe. The specialist told me it was vaginal atrophy, and prescribed estradiol vaginal cream. As I began to use it, it did help a little, but not that much, and a side effect I noticed was my hair began to fall out. Numerous professionals have told me that is not possible, that estrogen helps hair regrow, not the opposite but when I read the entire paper that came with it, in the fine print, hair loss was listed as a possible side effect. So then I had to choose between my hair falling out in patches or a better sex life but still not perfect. So I stopped taking it. Now when we want to be intimate, I take 6 or 8 Ibuprofins and have 3 shots of Tequila, and I can get through it and sometimes actually enjoy it for a little while. In the end, I am still so sad because vaginal atrophy literally ruined my life. Now I've gained some weight, and I feel like I am not a real woman anymore. I feel unattractive and now I have trust issues with my husband who says "you didn't just expect me to never have sex again just because you can't, did you? " Yep, that's my man, I can't believe more people in their 50's don't off themselves. Everything you care about is gone, including good sex, slim body, kids have all moved out, I have no friends near me anymore, and now my husband cheats occasionally and I'm supposed to be ok with that because I guess it's my fault. I need help with this issue. Real help before it's too late for me. Any suggestions at all would be welcomed appreciatively. I sound like a baby. With so many of you having way more serious things going on like cancers, endometriosis, and urology issues, I am so sorry I feel ridiculous even bringing this up.

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@ch47

Complete hysterectomy at 44, no cancer thankfully, and had hrt for a couple years until supposedly medical community said the chance of breast cancer became enormous. Of course, stopped hrt.
Atrophy started, and had tons of bladder and urethra issues, urethra dilation became a regular part of my life.

My old urologist retired, fortunately, and my new doctor had specialties in urology and gynecology. Gave me the estrogen tabs, which worked great for years, then I started having problems again. Atrophy and very painful sex.

Moved south, and found a woman urologist who recommended compounding the meds in a non irritating cream base. She asked the compounding pharmacy to give me several samples of different base cream to try with no meds, to see which was comfortable, and they graciously did. The vaginal and urethra issues almost disappeared.

I asked my doctor if she could RX just the base cream to use as a lubricant. It works great and really inexpensive and not messy.

She also rx’d pelvic therapy/dilation which was extremely painful at first, because I was so tight, but that loosened up.

Things are better now, I am 71 and seemingly have some comfort for a while…maybe your doctors could recommend the same type of cream for a lubricant with no meds?

Good luck to all!

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An update on the vaginal atrophy issues I’ve been working on for years.
I posted in September ‘23, and mentioned several things that have worked for me over the years.
Unfortunately, after years, any vaginally inserted med/creme caused inflammation in the whole external pelvic area. Back to square one. Sigh. Used estrogen patches and developed the butt and chest fit for a porn star 😳
Not good. Since I was using the lowest dose reasonably affordable, decided to cut the patch in half, put 1/2 waterproof bandage on exposed area of patch and change it in 5 days instead of 7.
Swelling is down some and feel pretty good.
Good luck to all of you…keep trying!

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