Receiving blood from blood bank for lung cancer surgery

@texasgal121
Hello,
I misunderstood your question.
I thought you meant a surgery patient couldn’t be the recipient of blood from a blood bank.
According to the Red Cross where I donate blood in California they said as long as the donor is feeling fine it doesn’t matter if they have received the vaccine.
One question they ask is
“In the past 8 weeks, have you had any vaccinations or other shots?”
Another is
“Have you EVER had a Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine?”
The medication list says “ Experimental Medication or Unlicensed (Experimental) vaccine deferred for 12 months, or as indicated by Medical Director.” Apparently, the Director authorized the vaccine.
Thank you,
Jake

@texasgal121 I am sorry to hear more issues with the covid 19 vaccinations. Good to know blood from donors who received experimental drugs is not acceptable. I too find it strange not to ask people if they have received the covid vaccine. Perhaps they do blood testing to find the spike proteins associated the the vaccines. That would seem to be a safer method. I too would be concerned for any increased risks of blood clots especially if a blood transfusion is needed during surgery. I have heard people vaccinated for the covid 19 should not be flying because of the increased risk with blood clots. Why doesn’t the media give a warning to all those travelers? The covid vaccinations have become so controversial. Obviously there seems to be a hurry for the jabs but yet because this is only approved as an experimental drug nothing can be done regarding its negative side effects. Many people have chosen to accept being part of an experiment and tolerating whatever health results the vaccines bring. Once it is received there is no going back so the risks and benefits should be weighed carefully. Since not much is known about the vaccines and we are still learning, how can we assess the risks when all the facts are not known. Everyone has different circumstances for making their decision. It all comes down to each person’s lifestyle and beliefs. It may be a difficult decision for some. I wish everyone the best.

They ARE accepting blood from donors who have taken the experimental vaccines! That is the problem! Red Cross doesn’t seem to think it stays in your blood or is an issue. I think it is an issue.

@texasgal121
Thank you for your response I appreciate it.
Jake

They maybe accepting the donors having had experimental drugs but it doesn’t mean they do not screen the blood.

@avmcbellar
Yes, the Red Cross does do Covid testing on all blood products and inform at least anyone who has the Red Cross app. If they don't contact the others they can call for results.
I have had nearly every vaccine except this one. I keep thinking about the polio vaccine. Thankfully I didn’t have the Polio vaccine when it first came out since they accidentally put live virus in it and many people got Polio. I don’t think it’s fair to tell people something is safe when it hasn’t been thoroughly studied and they only have limited information.
Jake

Yes, I agree @jakedduck1. I do not know how the vaccines are said to be safe when they are only approved as an experimental drug with limited facts known. Maybe they are safe at the time administered. I guess we don’t need to know about the long term effects? For these vaccines to be produced a new technology is required. Why wouldn’t we be more cautious especially when no one can be held accountable for the outcome? As an adult I only got the vaccines necessary for my education and got lucky in the long run. I remember in lieu of getting another required vaccine I chose to get the titer instead to prove I still had the antibodies. I avoided the unnecessary jabs.
In the beginning of this year, I saw a couple of doctors agree in each of their video to believe the spike proteins may cause the body to overreact by making it think there is something there when there isn’t. They didn’t know how long before the autoimmune disorders would develop. Another theory was since the vaccine crosses the blood brain barrier there may be an added risk of dementia or other brain health issues. This is all speculation mind you, but I would like to know more facts because I don’t need additional health issues to deal with. Who knows what the truth is regarding the total number of deaths from covid 19? I had heard world wide the death reports were exaggerated by 25%. Doctors and hospitals had an incentive to list the cause of death as covid 19 because they were better reimbursed. I don’t like using fear to promote vaccinations when the facts are not fully known. Give us the accurate facts so we can decide for ourselves what we are willing to tolerate.
Maybe the covid 19 vaccine is listed as safe because it reduces the severity of the illness. A person fully vaccinated can still get and spread the illness although the odds are less than an unvaccinated person. According to the NBC nightly report on April 15th, of 58,000 known covid cases from fully vaccinated people, 7% had to be hospitalized and 74 people died. As I had been told on Mayo Connect recently, nothing is 100% effective. Faulci seems to be changing his herd immunity percentages. Which is it 70%, 90%? I don’t think it will make much of a difference. I believe even if all the population i.e. 100% got vaccinated we will still see covid cases. Remember nothing is 100% effective.
Stay safe with plenty of candy and chocolate on hand, lol 😋

@texasgal121 You wrote: "It does stay in a person’s blood, thus blood clots, etc. So facing lung cancer surgery has now been magnified by trying to find blood donors who have not had the shots or finding a hospital that uses the cell saver machine." I cannot find any document that says it is unsafe to receive blood from a donor who had the vaccine, or any documented cases where blood clots or Covid infection has occurred.

And: " ALL of the Covid “vaccines” are experimental, not totally approved by the FDA, and do not even meet the criteria for a vaccine according to the CDC. " That first part is true - they are still experimental. But after one year of injections, billions of doses, and the amazing efficacy in highly vaccinated countries, I believe the Red Cross is within its purveiw to treat the EUA as acceptable, otherwise they would have no donor pool.

As to whether it is a vaccine, how does in to meet this CDC definition: "Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose."

@avmcbellar You wrote : "I too would be concerned for any increased risks of blood clots especially if a blood transfusion is needed during surgery. I have heard people vaccinated for the covid 19 should not be flying because of the increased risk with blood clots. Why doesn’t the media give a warning to all those travelers? " Again, where? I cannot find anything documented.

I checked NIH, FDA, WHO, CDC, Red Cross, American College of Thoracic Surgeons publications and Web Sites.

Please, everyone remember that anecdotal reports on Blogs and Facebook are not conclusive proof. Coincidences occur - just because my [name a condition] flared up 3 weeks after vaccine doesn't mean the vaccine caused it. Just like reports that a person took/was given [name a medication or treatment] and their Covid went away does not mean the drug cured it.

The bottom line - there are undoubtedly some instances where it is necessary, out of an abundance of caution, to get blood for transfusion or blood products for infusion that have they very least possibility of issues. This might include for stem cell transplants or similar cases where a person has had their immune system demolished by chemo or radiation. But as of today, whole and part blood products are being used without reported incident.

Speculative discussions, without citing reliable sources, help fire vaccine fears. Please consider giving your sources in these discussions so other reading the posts can read them and make informed decisions. If you are not sure how to add a source, please ask a Mentor or Moderator to explain how to do it.

Thank you for being part of Connect, if we all work together to disseminate good, research and science based information, we can keep our community awesome!
Sue

Dear Mentor: if these vaccines provided immunity, then why are some who have received the shots gotten Covid? Nine members of the New York Yankees came down with Covid 6 weeks after receiving the injections. People on cruise ships who have had the injections are coming down with Covid and infecting others. Some countries like Australia, France, Japan, and Germany have banned them altogether! The FDA has issued warnings to those who received the Pfizer or Moderna injections for heart inflammation. As for sources, listen to Dr. Jane Ruby or Dr. Judy Mikovits or Dr. Scott Jensen or America’s Frontline Doctors or a thousand other doctors and virologists who say these shots can be dangerous. Go to the CDC website and look at the VAERS reports! No one knows what can happen because the trials done before this mass push to get them were done in a very short period of time. Our granddaughter’s best friend, age 19, healthy, robust, energetic, got the shot and lost her hearing and her vision! Get the shot if you want, but I will wait and see what all the side effects are. And a I certainly do not want blood from a person who had one of these while I am in surgery!

Immunity is not perfect. People who have received injections for many viruses, influenza, shingles, measles, ... can become infected, either by virtue of their imperfect immune system, declining protection (immunity) over time, or changes in the viruses themselves.

Please compare the infection and death rates prior to vaccine release and subsequently. The US was seeing hundreds of thousands of cases and thousands of deaths daily in January through April. Now that roughly 60% of adults and 40% of older teens are vaccinated, those numbers have dropped by 80 - 90%, even with more infectious variants emerging - except areas with low vaccination rates are seeing surges.

Some people will have adverse effects to the vaccine, just like every vaccine ever offered. But infection, disability and death rates for the many illnesses plummet when the population is widely vaccinated.

We also know now that over 20% of people who had Covid-19 infections have long term problems - my daughter is still dealing with the after-effects of a Covid infection 16 months ago, and it is beginning to look like the neuro effects are permanent.

NONE of these vaccines are as dangerous as the Covid-19 virus, nor produces the same high percentage of long-term aftereffects, but every person must make her own decision - I decide to go with hard numbers and science, which say it is effective and safe.

Sue