PMR - What do you wish you had known . . .

Posted by jabrown0407 @jabrown0407, Jun 21 11:15pm

Each of us has been on a journey with a disease that is not well understood, common but not identical symptoms and the steroid treatment is scary and problematic with its own side effects.
What is the one or two things you wish you had known early on that helped you put the pieces together and helped you better understand what is going on with you and your body.
Please share so we can learn from each other.

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@tatiana987 I went to my AI tool and asked it what you possibly did have that was inflammation based in your wrist, very painful, treatable with a steroid injection and short course of oral steroids, as well as being confused with PMR. My AI tool told me about RS3PE (Remitting Seronegative Symmetrical Synovitis with Pitting Edema) which apparently is often a discussed in the same differential Dx as PMR per my AI tool. A differential Dx is a working Dx that helps support a requested test while they are searching for the actual Dx. There is no test that identifies PMR. PMR is a default Dx, meaning that if you fail a bunch of other tests then PMR is Dx by default.
You were treated correctly and you don't have the pain any longer, that is the good news.

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@jabrown0407 The doctor who treated me (African) said my prednisone reaction confirmed the diagnosis. I think he meant the swelling and significant improvement in 4 hours would only happen with PMR. Not too sure of anything here, just happy it worked.

I think perhaps some diagnoses in the USA today are billing code influenced or determined. Maybe even some choices of treatment? Is the prednisone injection more dangerous than the pills?

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@tatiana987 Treating PMR is normally months to years. At high doses of prednisone tapering can be somewhat rapid, below 10mg per day it normally takes weeks to months to titrate down. I personally have never heard of a pain management specialist treating PMR. It is normally in the wheelhouse of a PCP or Rheumy. it is chronic and can return at any time. This is true with all auto-immune problems. Auto-immune problems are not normally pain management candidates, they are inflammation based and many are degenerative. They are your body fighting itself.

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@jabrown0407 My African doctor was a rheumatoligist, Western educated, but I don’t know where.

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here I go again. finally managed to get an appointment with urgent care after quitting Prednisone about 5 weeks ago .After being on Prednisone for over 5 years my final taper was from 3mg to0. I won't get into the damage Prednisone has done.I am in tremendous pain and am on fire in my muscles. the doctor said that I wasn't' in adrenal insufficiency because my blood pressure was good both standing sitting,and my c reactive protein was only slightly elevated I ask here if there something I could take for the burning in my muscles and she said not really. I guess it means that I will have to put up with the pain

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I have a question, please.
Diagnosed early January, started Pred in March and have tapered from 30MG. At 2.5MG now since June 5, 2026. A little scared to lower below 2.5, but doc says to trust the SED test. SED test way down, but PMR is NOT gone. My question is that I have worked out, but the pain is intense. I skipped just a single day working out, and pain was gone. Started back and pain returned. Not like the old heavier work outs, but 2LB weights for shoulders and 5LB for bi/triceps. Gently, slowly with a lot of stretching. Maybe 15 min weights, then stretching/core/yoga. For 2 months I just worked out with a theraband, so not crazy. The pain can be eyewatering. OK, the pain cannot come from 2LB weights after consistently working out for months, can it?? PMR causes pain but skipping a workout lowers the pain to almost none. Are muscles just physiologically messed up because of PMR. I still barely have the strength to pull a tighter sports bra up and off. Any thoughts please would be appreciated.

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@tatiana987 Treating PMR is normally months to years. At high doses of prednisone tapering can be somewhat rapid, below 10mg per day it normally takes weeks to months to titrate down. I personally have never heard of a pain management specialist treating PMR. It is normally in the wheelhouse of a PCP or Rheumy. it is chronic and can return at any time. This is true with all auto-immune problems. Auto-immune problems are not normally pain management candidates, they are inflammation based and many are degenerative. They are your body fighting itself.

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@jabrown0407
I have never heard of a pain management doctor caring for PMR either. As a matter of fact I go to my pain doctor for another issue and he said he does not treat inflammation Ra related. I was prescribed Rinvoq and it was making me feel worse. After three months on it I went to a different doctor and was told rinvoq does not treat PMR. It will treat GCA which I have both. I was a healthy 60 year old back in Covid days but after I got the covid vaccine I been going down hill . Extremely high inflammation markers and vertigo.

So anyone who is prescribed rinvoq for PMR ask your doctor because my second doctor said no it does not treat PMR.

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I have a question, please.
Diagnosed early January, started Pred in March and have tapered from 30MG. At 2.5MG now since June 5, 2026. A little scared to lower below 2.5, but doc says to trust the SED test. SED test way down, but PMR is NOT gone. My question is that I have worked out, but the pain is intense. I skipped just a single day working out, and pain was gone. Started back and pain returned. Not like the old heavier work outs, but 2LB weights for shoulders and 5LB for bi/triceps. Gently, slowly with a lot of stretching. Maybe 15 min weights, then stretching/core/yoga. For 2 months I just worked out with a theraband, so not crazy. The pain can be eyewatering. OK, the pain cannot come from 2LB weights after consistently working out for months, can it?? PMR causes pain but skipping a workout lowers the pain to almost none. Are muscles just physiologically messed up because of PMR. I still barely have the strength to pull a tighter sports bra up and off. Any thoughts please would be appreciated.

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@pmrnew
I’m not sure. My working out with weights helps my pain but only a very short time. In my experience prednisone does not relieve my pain if it’s lower than 20 mg.

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I have a question, please.
Diagnosed early January, started Pred in March and have tapered from 30MG. At 2.5MG now since June 5, 2026. A little scared to lower below 2.5, but doc says to trust the SED test. SED test way down, but PMR is NOT gone. My question is that I have worked out, but the pain is intense. I skipped just a single day working out, and pain was gone. Started back and pain returned. Not like the old heavier work outs, but 2LB weights for shoulders and 5LB for bi/triceps. Gently, slowly with a lot of stretching. Maybe 15 min weights, then stretching/core/yoga. For 2 months I just worked out with a theraband, so not crazy. The pain can be eyewatering. OK, the pain cannot come from 2LB weights after consistently working out for months, can it?? PMR causes pain but skipping a workout lowers the pain to almost none. Are muscles just physiologically messed up because of PMR. I still barely have the strength to pull a tighter sports bra up and off. Any thoughts please would be appreciated.

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@pmrnew Before PMR I was walking around 5 mile/day. Now I struggle to get out of bed! I started out like most everybody on 15 mg prednisone over a year ago.Tried to taper down. Now, I have been on Kevzara since April which hasn't done much yet. (If you try Kevzara, watch out for the price. If you do not have insurance, it will run you slightly over $6,500 for two injections!!!) Last week, my rheumatologist added 5 mg prednisone as needed. I hate going back on the Devil Drug Prednisone. PMR doesn't show so it is difficult for people to understand the condition,

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I wish I had realized that all autoimmune diseases are chronic and that remission is the long-term goal. When I first went to a Rheumy I thought that we could get me well and I would be on my way. Kinda like having a broken arm - a cast, some drugs, some therapy - and now you are as good as new. So wrong with autoimmune diseases. Big difference in setting expectations, goals, communications, etc.

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@jabrown0407 I loved your post! You have such an incredible positive outlook. I try most days, but some days the pain takes over everything. Maybe we all need to delve into nutrition. In any case, this is an awful thing to suffer from.

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here I go again. finally managed to get an appointment with urgent care after quitting Prednisone about 5 weeks ago .After being on Prednisone for over 5 years my final taper was from 3mg to0. I won't get into the damage Prednisone has done.I am in tremendous pain and am on fire in my muscles. the doctor said that I wasn't' in adrenal insufficiency because my blood pressure was good both standing sitting,and my c reactive protein was only slightly elevated I ask here if there something I could take for the burning in my muscles and she said not really. I guess it means that I will have to put up with the pain

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Thank-you for the hug

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@jabrown0407 The doctor who treated me (African) said my prednisone reaction confirmed the diagnosis. I think he meant the swelling and significant improvement in 4 hours would only happen with PMR. Not too sure of anything here, just happy it worked.

I think perhaps some diagnoses in the USA today are billing code influenced or determined. Maybe even some choices of treatment? Is the prednisone injection more dangerous than the pills?

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@tatiana987 Prednisone injections are localized prednisone to a specific area, with a little of the injection becoming systemic. That said it means that the majority of the prednisone stays in the area of the injection to help with the inflammation there. It also means the area of the injection is also more susceptible to the side effects. Oral steroids are systemic and as such spread out across your body exposing all of it to a lower level assuming the dosage is not excessive.
There is no way to say that the injection is more dangerous than the oral forms without knowing a great deal more about the actual drugs, the doses, the timeline and the condition of the individual person when they started the steroids.

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