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How many of you that suffer from Panic, Anxiety and Depression find that their symptoms are worse in the morning and gradually get better towards evening?
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Was diagnosed with diurnal anxiety, depression because of having anxiety/depression as soon as I wake up. I will defer to the NIH research on this subject and explanation with examples. I have it but did not have it all of my life, I know what it feels like to wake up happy and feeling loved. Also, when my husband was so sick I woke up gasping for breath, hated to wake up, why could I not just sleep the day away. Who knows? I do now have a Bi-Pap for sleep apnea, and know that I have to get out of bed right away to change my feelings, mood, changing my positions…going vertical from horizontal changes my mind…would it be something for all of us to celebrate if we were made aware that our bodies were made this way, and we did not have to feel guilty about feeling this way when we would like to feel grateful we woke up to a good day ahead. Love to not feel responsible for my mind, feelings having nothing to do with my individual life. How can we get rid of it for good…?
Thanks for any comments.
I am amazed at how many people have morning anxiety. I have also noticed a abundance of people that have Depression that gets better through the day. I was prescribed Buspirone to take 2 times a day morning and night for Anxiety. It seems to help some. Iam also on Seroquel and Mirtazapine. Iam pretty groggy the first part of the day. By evening, i. Feel pretty good.
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@derryman – I certainly understand how you feel. I’ve been taking meds for a number of things, especially for depression and anxiety. They have a profound effect on our view of life. I go through times when it appears pointless and like I’m just existing.
I know that the few things I do to reach outside my home help me with that. I was a hospice volunteer for several years, visiting patients in their homes or hospitals or wherever they were. The Hospice administration decided to draw up guidelines for volunteers’ dogs, and I have a service dog, who is always with me, whom they wanted me to put through a therapy dog training. I have a service dog to tend to me, not to provide therapy to other people. The patients all loved my dog, and I trained my dogs to interact with patients, if they wanted to. Of course, every time I saw a patient the first time, I told them about my dog, and get their permission to bring her in the room or house. A few had pets in the house, so that automatically meant that my dog waited in the car if there was a shady place to park. All of that wasn’t enough for the administrators. Of course, ADA regulations require that my dog has to be permitted in any place open to the public, but that doesn’t seem to matter. I didn’t want to stop visiting, but I wasn’t really given a choice. That was hard for me to deal with because it was part of my mental health therapy, and I lost one of the few reasons to continue living.
Sorry for going on. I find myself doing that. I still visit one of the patients because I’d been seeing her for a year, and my visits mean a lot to her. Sometimes, knowing that I have a therapy session coming up is what keeps me going. One other thing that helps me is playing the piano for a Sunday night service at church.
Have you had interests in the past that you enjoyed?
I’m sorry you’re at such a low place. I know it’s really a miserable place. I hope you are able to get some help.
I spent years in dresses and now do not even own one…I am always casual. The fact that this guy commented on your appearance says a lot about him and his attitude. Smart to walk a way @danybegood1 . I have found it difficult to get the medical people to take my pain seriously because of mental health history. Once many of them see depression they cease listening. Walked a way from all professionals for 6 months-I went back only to be diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic by a GP and again no one would listen. I had been w/o thyroid meds for a long time-once one has a mental health history it seems life is over. A misdiagnosis by a GP (also their GP) has cost me my family who believed her and I stopped taking that nasty anti psychotic and am still endeavoring to get my life back. Did get referred to a cardiologist so finally someone listened. Working hard at keeping anxiety down as I do have a grandson. I don’t want him growing up believing he has a crazy grandma because of the ignorance of others. When allowed some quality time we have so much fun together. I so dislike being stereotyped by others. I feel so happy when I am allowed some quality time with him. I am always consistent.
So now trying to calm myself as I do not want to have a stroke or cause any one any problems. Very discouraged. Coming here to express my feelings does help. No one sees the depressed me as I am always smiling when with others. Sometimes I just go to a store and walk around to be around other people.
I do what I can to keep my spirits up. I learned the hard way to not allow others to advocate for me. At least now I can do some art work and drive myself to do errands and play in the dirt in the summer.
Living in an apartment has been difficult to adjust to-I now have houseplants in for the winter. My home is my studio-I always wanted a studio and now I have one. Walls are filled with paintings. A studio and home all in one.
Apologize for rambling. Trying to create my own happy little world. At least I have food and shelter and can keep my bills paid. Far better off than many.
No one here asked for their anxiety.
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So beautifully expressed, @parus. I’m sure your words will strike a familiar chord with many in our Mental Health discussion group. There is something about being “labeled” that makes us more suspicious of how we are being treated and whether or not we are being taken seriously. That is one reason why I encourage everyone to be their own patient advocate – learn as much about their physical and emotional health and go into appointments well prepared to ask good questions and take charge of the appointment.
I so appreciate your input. Keep posting – we need to hear about your proactive approach to, “Trying to create my own happy little world.”
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Labels are nothing we should hang our hats or wardrobe on, or base our abilities to. Therapists, in my history with them (good), either clinical social workers or psychologist, started by evaluating my thinking skills. Being “happy” started after getting proper rest, nutrition, and exercise. Medications and treatment alone could not create my “happy place”. If we, the patient, commit to massive efforts (inputs) for measures of accuracy (informed evaluations) happiness can be achieved. Mental health wellness is not a “dry cleaner” type business, it take hard work and possibly switching therapists and.medications several times to find the path to a solution.
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Welcome to Connect, @doguard57 and thank you for sharing your insights. Each person experiences depression, anxiety in their own way; may I ask if you would share a few details? Did you find medication to be crucial in your well-being? Or behavioral therapy, or perhaps a combination of the two? We look forward to getting to know you, @doguard57.
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I have not found anything that helps my morning anxiety and am desperate to find something to relieve it! The feeling of doom and the sweating is an awful way to start the day. I have tried meditation, talk therapy,medications yoga praying etc. Usually by evening I feel ok but I know it will start all over again in the morning.
I appreciate anything anyone knows that I can try. Thanks
I’m certain that fellow Connect members in this discussion will share their suggestions. In the meantime I thought you might wish to view these articles that attest to the power of routine when dealing with morning anxiety:
– Mayo Clinic’s Dr. Edward Creagan: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-management/expert-blog/power-of-routine/bgp-20149989
– 10 Things You Can Do This Morning To Heal Your Anxiety: https://medium.com/personal-growth/10-things-you-can-do-this-morning-to-heal-your-anxiety-d1e320aef4b1
Morning all morning anxiety people. Thanks for feedback. We all need encouragement and support. Back to PCP tomorrow afternoon. Not my usual one again. Blood work okay and referred to Cardiologist as to abnormalities in echocardiogram. Yes, I am anxious and have been struggling with PTSD with panic attacks. More over a stream of doctor’s that only know what they see in the chart. Serious trust issues at this point.
@doguard57 Well said and totally agree. Became brave enough in 2015 to seek out another therapist. Negative experiences with therapists and stopped trying to get help in 2010. Relocated in 2010 and lived in fear for 6 months. Finally became brave enough to leave my home and the letters started coming again. This therapist received a 99 year suspension on her LMHC license. I did not file the charges. One less predator in the mental health system. I only testified as a resident of the state and it was all they PLA needed along w/ nearly 2 lbs. of letters emails cards, etc. Took a lot of courage to enter the office of another therapist. Lot of work ahead as we work together to try and clean up messes of incompetent, sick and perverse therapists.
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It has been happening to me for several years now.. have tried many helpful activities… meditation, deep breathing, mindfulness etc.. I go to bed, feeling okay in the evening.. however, each morning I am greeted upon waking with the same feeling of anxiety , panic and a sad feeling,
I just came across this topic now.
I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.
When I was deepest in my last bout of Panic disorder, PTSD, major depressive disorder, which lasted for over 5 years, I woke up at about 3am ( if I even got to sleep) in a panic attack. If it didn’t start at 3am, then it did start right when my alarm woke me up. I couldn’t even get out of bed. I had to call work, say I was sick, then I would finally sleep like me a baby. I did go on long term disability, like I said for over 5 years, but I would dream of having to get up in time for work and wake up in a panic attack. Even though I’ve mostly recovered from that bout, and have been back to work for a year now, I have woken up with anxiety and couldn’t get out of bed , but only maybe 2 or 3 times.
I’m still on psych meds, but it was counselling, meds, and TIME that pulled me through.
I went through sorta something like that. When l returned to work after my brain injury working so hard in therapy to be able to work again. My therapist told them what l needed to do my job. My supervisor agreed to what l needed but she did the opposite. And l can just feel something inside that was Had telling me they were going to let me go and that’s what happened. I have 5 children and new car and we move in our house 2 yr. before l was sick. That when l first got depressed because l didn’t know why l was fired. I was an excellent employee that after my 6month probation they wanted to transfer to another position over an employee who had been there for years and know one could understand understand why l was depressed. They after awhile l was happy again and l knew l could do anything l wanted to do. So the Lord blessed and l went to college. I knew my new career was going to begin that was in 2011. When l was going to graduate the director of the program asked my why l was doing everything audio. I told him to help with my memory and he told me if you can’t remember you won’t be able to work as a therapist. I cried because it took me 7yrs to get a 2yr degree and that was l fractured my ankle, called a class and other things. But God just wouldn’t let me give up. I graduated in 2011 I was ready to take my test for certification. Then l tore my cal, l had shoulder surgery. I ready the next year but l kept falling. Then in 2014 l fell and was unconscious. I was put on antidepressants for years after my brain injury. When l was in the hospital in 2014 they took me off because they said l was having an allergic reaction. My family said they didn’t know what was going on with me. I was put in intensive care. I couldn’t remember anything and l didn’t know who came to visit me. I could only feel one day l was in restraints because they said l was thrashing. It was the medication they were giving me l was having an allergic reaction. I guess because everything they were doing didn’t help and l was unconscious they told my family if l didn’t get better they were going to put me in a nursing home. The Lord blessed and l did get better. They said l had autoimmune encephalitis, elevated ammonia, seizures, encephalopathy and mental problems?. I had to have shunt s put in my liver. Then in 2015 l.had back surgery, 2016 from falling so much l had surgery for drop foot. The neurologist diagnosed with conversion disorder. Then when l asked my cardiologist about my liver and l told him nobody in my family had liver disease and l asked him how did l get it he told me it was from medication. And everything l have gone through they are now talking about on TV and doctors are treating people with my illness. And when you know you don’t have a mental problem God always steps in. I did my research the neurologist who was taking care of me didn’t read my chart that l had autoimmune encephalitis which some reaction are a little different where you act like a person who has a mental disorder and doctors will put you in a mental hospital and give you antidepressants. They diagnoses as a mental disorder when it’s a disease. Then God turned me to two sites encephalitis society and autoimmune encephalitis alliance. I read an article about an attorney that they didn’t believe him and they also thought it also was a mental condition but his wife wouldn’t receieve that report
Then there was documentation of a young one the same as l. Everything she told of her journey l said Lord that is amazing you are showing me two people with the same stories and then in her story their was 2 more young people. When she was sharing her story we lived in the State so the o place she was talking about l knew where she went. Then she wrote a book Brain on fire. So l went to the Mayo clinic all my test came back normal and that’s what they sometimes what happens to people. Then the neurologist at the Mayo clinic
ordered a PET test because all my behaviors t hey thought l had dementia. I already knew that was coming back normal because God was giving me my memory back. It came back normal. So l saw the vascular medicine doctor and he told me the shunt procedure they done was not correct and he thinks thatscwhy l was falling and hallucinating.God always put someone to give you an answer to your troubles. And l listen to the words of this song. I hope it helps you to believe he’s always there. The words are. I just can’t give up now. I come to far from where l started from no one told me that the road would be easy he brought me through this far not leave me. And there’s a lot of people going through something and everyone gets depressed but you can get through it. Now l got my license back and my life is different now. I can help others like l was put on this earth to do. So you have to be your own advocate and don’t let anyone steal your joy.
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@parus – I guess I’ve been fortunate or blessed to have had a string of good therapists. I quit seeing the first one because she overstepped ethical standards, and another one because he told me something that was totally outside of what was appropriate, telling me what I should do instead of letting me work through to making my own choices. I walked out that day and never went back. He was the same psychiatrist who was on duty at the post-suicide attempts facility when I talked with him about an issue that was contributing to my wish to die. I told him that I didn’t want to talk with him about it except on promise of confidentiality, but later the same day, I found out he had told the whole staff. I was so angry, I wanted to leave, but I knew I wasn’t ready to.
But the rest of the parade of therapists were good people, and didn’t impose their own opinions and values on me. Of course, I should expect that from any therapist, but some of them never learned that in their training.
I know more today so that I know when to leave a therapist. That empowers me.
We value the healthcare professionals who act like professionals who give a rip.
God bless you! So glad you told us these experiences you have had. And, I think I have it rough? No way. Keep on going, and you certainly inspired us to keep on going. So grateful Mayo has your background, because they will do something positive with your history. I totally believe what you have gone thru is not in vain. Your pain will lead to change that will result in GOOD. I’m saddened that you personally went thru this and you are our HERO for sure. May your body heal before you can ever imagine it would. Kristina
Yes, I do suffered from morning anxiety/depression.
But who knows what the “shooter” suffered with? Do not know if this is appropriate to discuss? Have faith that if it is not, this
will be taken off our post.
If I am in a position to know something first hand, or have been told something by someone, I feel I have the responsibility to do something positive about whatever to prevent a possible negative outcome.
For example, my mother married a “drunk” 4 years after my father died. There came time when his driving was very impaired because he was already drunk by 11AM. So I called the Division of Motor Vehicles and reported this in our state. The way the DMV handles this type of case, they order a person to report to the DMV to take another written test they state randomly. This did happen and he never reported into the DMV so he lost his license to drive.
My mother did not have the courage to stand up and put a stop to it. Yes, he continued to drink and mentally abuse her, but he never drove again where he could have killed someone else, my mother or himself.
My husband and I certainly did the best we could about his verbally abusing my mother. My husband could really scare him.
My brother has Frontal Temporal Dementia and I visited him in his home where he lives alone. A couple of years ago when the diagnosis was made I visited him and saw the unfortunate way he was living. Having no judgement, which is the biggest part of FTD, my brother made his estranged wife his health care surrogate and has given her his power of attorney. He has told me that he changed his will from his daughter inheriting a house that has been in our family since 1825 to his estranged wife plus she will inherit everything.
Forget the things, my brother is not living in a safe environment. Only thing I knew to do was call the county to report this. They did go and do a report
of his living situation. Report said that there was one thing that stood in the way of having them make changes. Sure there was, his judgement.
He says he is happy living there, safe or not. Well cared for or not.
My brother had given me permission to write his neurologist and get information to see if I also needed to be tested for FTD. We are 100%
brother and sister so we might have the same gene and I need to know to plan my life appropriately if in case I do get FTD.
His neurologist and I have corresponded with good results. It’s time I write him again to find out if my brother has been tested for the gene or if he just
developed the FTD. When I speak of his estranged wife, I am speaking of a second wife who married him and who left him 4-5 years ago.
She has problems of her own but they stay married legally because of the health care insurance connection. His first child is from his first wife. The daughter is 31 years of age and has more rights than I do being his sister if she wanted to change the situation. But, she is off living her life and does not even see him very much.
My sister does not feel I need or could perhaps cause more problems for my brother than he already has. And, I agree at this point.
I will just call him and tell him I love him. Be in touch with his neurologist and see what he reports. The neurologist does see thru the estranged wife
and has noted that in my brother’s chart. Now, I need to step away from this situation and pray he is as well cared for as he wants.
He does not even go outside anymore but will not complain about it to either my sister or me. Time to step away, I have done what I am able to.
Also, my husband and I have been in a close relationship with a couple who were both alcoholics and he had the NFL dementia with violent behavior.
The husband, of course, was huge, and his wife was less than 5 feet and 110 pounds. In front of us, he would be abusive to her, threaten her, and then they would wake up in the morning and never remember what went on the night before. Of course, this was so upsetting to us we did not want to spend any time with them anymore but the man had been a friend of husbands for 50 years so we would from time to time see them. We lived almost 2 hours from them so it was not that obvious.
However, his wife would call me up about 5 times a week and tell me how she was so scared that he was going to hurt her or kill her.
I did call up his son that lived out of town without anyone knowing it so he would be aware of really what was going one because she was not
telling the family at that point.
In the state where they lived, she had even gone to a lawyer to make plans to get a divorce and in that state the lawyer told her that she would be considered abandoning her husband and would not be allowed a divorce. Nothing like the southern “good old boys” sticking together.
Finally a year and one half ago he did go into a skilled care setting with the adult children’s approval and did die last spring.
Anxiety, she woke up with anxiety every morning and could hardly sleep but now she is fine because it was a situational problem.
In my brother’s case there were no guns in the home, and he accepted not driving readily. Although in the other case, the keys to the car were hard to get away but thank God nothing ever happened to anyone and the gun was hidden.
Probably, you all will have feelings that when we see and know others do meet certain dangerous situations, it may be none of our business.
However, if we know someone has many guns and has a problem, why do we not report it to the police? Many things may be prevented where people are getting hurt and killed, raped, harassed. If the police do not do anything about it, at least we did what we could to prevent the outcome.
How do you all feel? Do we have a responsibility when we know to do the best we can for others? It has been said to me by my psychiatrist
that if someone is going to kill themselves because their pain is so bad, we cannot stop it. And, I agree on that level.
One can only take a certain amount of pain in their mind, but he sure does his best to stop it in reality. He puts them in a locked mood disorder hospital and the team will not let them out until they are better. Yes, laws do let them leave after the initial time limit that differs in each state, but if their support system wants them to get better and works with the medical system, it makes it harder for them to leave.
Labels, labels, labels, I also do not like the suicide label put on so many people today. Most of the individuals who are taking drugs and alcohol have no idea that the end result may be death for them. They are buying them off the street, illegally and then drink whatever they drink, and our bodies cannot take this over and over again. But they do not understand this.
Then the poor family is left with the pain that goes thru the generations of this so called “suicide”.
When someone calls you up and states they want to die, I feel we need to ask them questions if that is really what they mean. May not mean
“want to die” to them. Just be repeating a statement.
There are so many ways to ask questions and see behavior that is dangerous to that person or to another. But, gotta say, if I did not do something positive, and a bad result happened I sure would feel guilty the rest of my life.
And, ask why did I not have the courage to help someone when they in fact were asking for help by their behavior?
They might feel I just did not care about what happened to them?
I do care about human beings, and want the best for them whatever it is.
Please tell me why, today do people not do anything to help or prevent bad outcomes when it is obvious?
Any comments, please.
What a sad day in Texas and for all of us.
Mich, you have worked, and worked, and I’m so happy for you that you do feel better.
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