Does medical marijuana work for chronic pain?

Posted by mmoss @mmoss, Mar 27, 2021

Does Medical marijuana work for chronic pain. Looking for alternatives to Vicodin.

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@jenatsky

I don't necessarily agree with your comment that THC works best for pain. It may work best for your pain but are you speaking of THC plus CBD or THC alone? I've tried the highest THC I could buy and I've been using marijuana since I was 16 yo and it did not stop my pain. But higher CBD with lower THC did. Read my prior entry on Chronic Pain feed.

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You probably built up a resistance to it. I used medical marijuana for pain when the neurologists wanted to prescribe opioids. It was a while ago and in doing my due diligence I spoke with a number of doctors in CA where it had been legal for a while.
The pain was so bad I could not sleep. I was 35 with uncontrollable blood pressure and cholesterol. Was told by Northwestern University Hospital I would be lucky to live until I was 45. The dope took care of the pain, got full night's rest, no longer needed blood pressure or cholesterol medicine.
The doctors didn't connect the dots and completely blew the diagnoses. (This is not my only negative experience with doctors as they have been taught for years now diagnosing "most probable outcome" so the people outside the center of the bell-shaped curve receive poor medical instruction. The big exception for me was my cardiologist and heart surgeon. They were spectacular.)

Medical marijuana works with muscle pain, it does not help nerve pain – I know this from experience as well.

In time vaping marijuana no longer provided relief for me. What I did find out was creating medical marijuana in a coconut-based form adding DMSO and then cream that I applied to my muscles from waste down.

It helped for a while but I had to replace it with CBD, which I am still using. This does not help the nerve pain that runs the length of my muscles fibers.

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@jetsetter

I totally agree. It’s similar to having a glass of wine in the evening to help relax and take the edge off the stress of the day. It definitely helps with anxiety and dulls the pain.

Remember alcohol was illegal, too! Let’s hope marijuana use for pain becomes more accessible to more people soon.

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I want to thank you all for this conversation! I agree with you!
I find that a 1:1 ratio is helpful for sure- sometimes if I have to go out I will use a 3:2 ( 3 parts CBD: 2 parts THC) . I don’t drink anymore so it does help with anxiety and stress. I will also add that I am lucky to live in a MM state ( Ct.) .
I also make sure I buy indica as I want the relaxation effect to sleep. It does help.
I still have to take my Big Pharma drugs but the cannabis is natural and no side effects!!
Again- thanks! Appreciate this !
Luann

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@brett07281973

You probably built up a resistance to it. I used medical marijuana for pain when the neurologists wanted to prescribe opioids. It was a while ago and in doing my due diligence I spoke with a number of doctors in CA where it had been legal for a while.
The pain was so bad I could not sleep. I was 35 with uncontrollable blood pressure and cholesterol. Was told by Northwestern University Hospital I would be lucky to live until I was 45. The dope took care of the pain, got full night's rest, no longer needed blood pressure or cholesterol medicine.
The doctors didn't connect the dots and completely blew the diagnoses. (This is not my only negative experience with doctors as they have been taught for years now diagnosing "most probable outcome" so the people outside the center of the bell-shaped curve receive poor medical instruction. The big exception for me was my cardiologist and heart surgeon. They were spectacular.)

Medical marijuana works with muscle pain, it does not help nerve pain – I know this from experience as well.

In time vaping marijuana no longer provided relief for me. What I did find out was creating medical marijuana in a coconut-based form adding DMSO and then cream that I applied to my muscles from waste down.

It helped for a while but I had to replace it with CBD, which I am still using. This does not help the nerve pain that runs the length of my muscles fibers.

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Agree fully that nothing stops the nerve pain but helping your mind tolerate it is another approach to consider. Things only get worse over time with nerve pain too.

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@marye2

This is an old post; but I cannot help advising you to also ask for images of worst joints to see if PT would be appropriate. A daily walk or swim for generalized pain and then PT-type stretches for others. Dr Jo on youtube is not personalized, but the stretches are similar. Meds just can't do the whole job. Also adapt diet to non-processed, low sugar, avoid nightshades.

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Its cold outside: ] Winter Need indoor pool. I could join the fitness club; although, they have a bunch of classes in it. So, access is limited. Of course, they also want money. Cost of things get to be a bit much after awhile.

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Have to get back to you as soon as I get a different formula. Right now its a Tincture of CBD oil with very little THC. Nothing for the pain, does help with the anxiety. Also purchased some "Miracle Cream with THC" helps with the nerve pain and muscle cramping. I get that the THC is reported to interact with everything. Most the reports are not actual studies, rather based on theoretical models. Not that they are wrong, just that since THC was ostracized for so long. I'm sure reports still have concerns of the social repercussions. You never hear anyone saying a couple shots of vodka or whisky will help with the pain either.

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@betterway

Its cold outside: ] Winter Need indoor pool. I could join the fitness club; although, they have a bunch of classes in it. So, access is limited. Of course, they also want money. Cost of things get to be a bit much after awhile.

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Yes, costs can get a bit much.

Here is the way I thought of it (due to lung issues, I no longer use indoor pools) – if computed on a daily basis, our membership cost the equivalent of $1/day/person. That is equal to one nice meal out or 2 mid-price meals out for us per month – decided the gym was better for us. My daughter says her membership cost the same as one chiropractor copay.

When my Mom needed water exercise, the local therapeutic pool charged $4 per visit, or $36 for a 10 punch card.

Of course, with Covid at a very high rate, we are "on hold" yet – our primary docs both told us to stay away until local positivity rates are below 5% (we have been above it for MANY months in our county.)

Can you check on a limited or senior rate at the health club? Or, if you have a Medicare supplement, a "Silver Sneakers" membership?
Sue

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@betterway

Have to get back to you as soon as I get a different formula. Right now its a Tincture of CBD oil with very little THC. Nothing for the pain, does help with the anxiety. Also purchased some "Miracle Cream with THC" helps with the nerve pain and muscle cramping. I get that the THC is reported to interact with everything. Most the reports are not actual studies, rather based on theoretical models. Not that they are wrong, just that since THC was ostracized for so long. I'm sure reports still have concerns of the social repercussions. You never hear anyone saying a couple shots of vodka or whisky will help with the pain either.

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Interaction of CBD with meds or health conditions is not totally theoretical.
CBD can cause blood sugar to rise, even when one is using meds. (Maybe not for everyone, but we have observed it in my husband and a friend.) And it can and does interfere with coumadin (warfarin) by increasing concentration in the blood. These are just 2 examples.

There are a number of studies – the best advice is to consult your provider(s) and to research the interplay between both CBD and THC and any medication you use or medical condition you have. Also, topical applications of CBD are generally thought to be safer because less is absorbed into the bloodstream.

Sue

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Being funny, maybe it's the THC and the munchies causing increased blood sugar. LOL

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@sueinmn

Yes, costs can get a bit much.

Here is the way I thought of it (due to lung issues, I no longer use indoor pools) – if computed on a daily basis, our membership cost the equivalent of $1/day/person. That is equal to one nice meal out or 2 mid-price meals out for us per month – decided the gym was better for us. My daughter says her membership cost the same as one chiropractor copay.

When my Mom needed water exercise, the local therapeutic pool charged $4 per visit, or $36 for a 10 punch card.

Of course, with Covid at a very high rate, we are "on hold" yet – our primary docs both told us to stay away until local positivity rates are below 5% (we have been above it for MANY months in our county.)

Can you check on a limited or senior rate at the health club? Or, if you have a Medicare supplement, a "Silver Sneakers" membership?
Sue

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@betterwy, @sueinmn and all…Hello, a couple of thoughts about your suggestions, Sue. I have an AARP supplement that last Jan began covering the cost of membership with a gym or YMCA or whatever. I joined the Y next to the rehab PT I visit and use the recumbent stepper and some classes. It's going strong now. In Florida, our covid rate is low and we have a governor who doesn't like mandates and has been very proactive re the vaccination programs and antibodies treatment and such. We're an open state, so our gyms and such facilities have been open for quite a while I am a regular visitor, was….prior to multiple infections and health issues, I had PT in the therapy pool, 94 degrees, and an excellent solution to my overall pain issues 2x weekly works wonders
1-hour sessions. I do what my body allows and will add the stepper if I have the energy. I/m close to beginning this PT again.
This Y membership is free to me. You may have the same availability. I called personally to ask and got the skinny. Then, just go to whatever facility to do whatever kind of exercise you prefer. I do suggest for somebody/joint/muscle pain, the therapy pool is excellent.

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I'm new to this group but appreciate all the comments. I'm going to try the P&B balm and and CBD drops. I exercise regularly both walking and reformer pilates. I do need to get back on a more healthy diet though. What I've been doing is not working and I want to avoid more medications, treatments, or surgery. My issues are bursitis and osteoarthritis. Thanks.

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@cathypeirson

I'm new to this group but appreciate all the comments. I'm going to try the P&B balm and and CBD drops. I exercise regularly both walking and reformer pilates. I do need to get back on a more healthy diet though. What I've been doing is not working and I want to avoid more medications, treatments, or surgery. My issues are bursitis and osteoarthritis. Thanks.

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I use CBD as does my wife daily. Mine is for undiagnosable neurological muscular pain, hers is for severe arthritis. We buy hemp and make our own CBD by using a Magic Butter Machine. Cook it at 113 the lowest temperature for one hour and then 8 hours with no neat.
Then we put the tincture in a 1 ml capsule. My wife takes 1 twice a day, I take 4-6 before bed.

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@jetsetter

Oh my I’m so glad you elaborated on your CBD/THC dosing. That is so awesome that you can go to the doctor and get it!

When I told my acupuncturist I was using 25 mg of CBD once or twice a day, she told me the amount of CBD I am using is what she would give to a pet!

I have been buying my oil from Charlottes Web, which is a good brand, but it’s a minute amount compared to what is prescribed by medical marijuana providers. I buy the oil with the highest amount of CBD and it’s not much.

Good to know I am probably wasting my time and money on that amount. I am exploring the possibility of getting CBD tinctures from the acupuncture provider that are more concentrated.

Thanks for uncovering some of the mysteries of medical marijuana. Those of us in states where it is illegal or where medical use only
has recently been passed are clueless. It is hard to find information on the web about this. Hope that changes soon as more people are using it for pain management and more states are passing legislation to allow it.

Thanks again and I think you are one feisty southern lady!

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You should be able to buy online a CBD product that is “full spectrum” which means it contains less than 0.3% of THC which meets the federal government guidelines for legal. Since MM is not legal in your state this might be more beneficial. I did a Google search and much higher strength products are available online other than CW.

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