MAC Diagnosis and Medication side effects

Posted by happyhealthyme @happyhealthyme, Mar 14 12:22pm

I hope my question doesn't dishearten any trying members of this forum, but did anyone consider not going on medications for MAC because of the side effects?

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@rstel7272

28 months of the big3 + Amikacin iv for 12 weeks. Mac culture was negative by month 5 but ct scan still showed infection (Arikayce added for 5 months). A 6 month break then symptoms set back in so big3 restarted but all Mac testing was negative (even brochosopy) but aspergillus detected. Been on vfend for 15 months and counting. Cresemba would cost me $1000 per month ($6000 per month list price)

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what is vfend? Yes, the Cresemba cost me $1200 for the first 12 days but that includes my co-pay. I will reach the catastrophic level in a couple of months and then it won't cost anything ($8,000 is catastrophic level). Incredible how expensive these medications are.
Is the Amikacin IV to treat a cavity?

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@ecoen

what is vfend? Yes, the Cresemba cost me $1200 for the first 12 days but that includes my co-pay. I will reach the catastrophic level in a couple of months and then it won't cost anything ($8,000 is catastrophic level). Incredible how expensive these medications are.
Is the Amikacin IV to treat a cavity?

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Vfend is voriconazole for fungal/aspergillis. My Medicare Part D copay for Cresemba is would be $1000 ($6000 x 20%). I guess mine would cap at $8000 per year.
Yes, Amikacin iv can added to the big3 at the start if cavitation is present or layer if culture is still positive. The expesnive inhaled Arikayce is substituted, but not covered under my part d plan at all.

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@karissy

Yes I was diagnosed in August 2021. I have MAI and BE . I don’t seem to be having any symptoms at this time. I do airway clearance twice a day . I have decided not to take the treatment due to things I have read and been told about side effects. I will decline them as long as I can. Hopefully that’s for ever. When talking to my ID Doctor he told me that no matter what the infection will return . Usually it is temporary but will return so if I can avoid the treatment it’s better. At my age of 71 at that time he said he would prefer I didn’t take it due to my age. Don’t get me wrong I know some people need it. I will never say never but I have no other health issues at this time and do not want to risk anything new happening if I can avoid it. I also walk 5 miles every morning when I get up to clear my throat. It helps after sleeping all night with the mucus which is mild. Well that’s my opinion and I will work as hard as I can to keep the medication away.

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Karrisy,
I just turned 79 and, like you, I swore I would never go on the antibiotics unless absolutely necessary. I have both BE and MAC. I have two subspecies of the latter, one slow growing and one fast growing. I also have 2 fungi.

Well, after months of testing and 12 major hemoptysis episodes, 10 days ago my ID doctor at NJH has put me on 2 of the 3 antibiotics, Ethambutol and Azrithromycin. I took the Azrith for 1 week and have just added the Etham this past Saturday. I am unable to do any ACTs because they have caused my hemoptysis, including saline, and my only option, for now anyway, is to take the drugs to help with the hemoptysis. The two fungi, since my latest CT last month, show little to no growth and will go untreated until I get my hemoptysis under control.

If you are interested in the reason I am not on Rifampin, you may want to read an August 18, 2023 article "NTM-PD Advances: More PROS, Less Medication Burden, Omics Technology." Dr. Kevin L. Winthrop, MD, MPH, professor at the School of Public Health at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, compares 2 vs 3 antibiotic therapy for MAC.

I'm hoping you will reconsider your thoughts about the meds. For some people they work and for some, there are side effects. I am thinking positive because I have to -- I have no other choices. Although I am early in my treatment, so far so good. My audiologist and ophthalmologist have been alerted and I am prepared for whatever happens in my future.

Wishing you the best on your journey.

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Pmmar1, I just started my first hemoptysis episode in 18 months. On the 3rd day of AZ, see pulminologist tomorrow, maybe he adds ethambutol. I neb'd saline the last 3 days, will stop today. Who is your ID Dr at NJH?
-Rick

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I stopped airway clearance and nebulizing saline because it leads to hemoptysis. Nothing scarier than that.

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May I ask if you refer to the use of Aerobika?

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@happyhealthyme

May I ask if you refer to the use of Aerobika?

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Yes, I used the Aerobika with saline, which was too strong for me. Then I substituted Albuterol with the Aerobika and that didn't help. And then the Aerobika only. So now I am relying on the meds to move forward and hope they serve me better!

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@pmmar1

Yes, I used the Aerobika with saline, which was too strong for me. Then I substituted Albuterol with the Aerobika and that didn't help. And then the Aerobika only. So now I am relying on the meds to move forward and hope they serve me better!

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As for myself, I find that I could better tolderate taking the inhaler med with a break in-between, same with saline, not the entire vial at the same time.

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I have done that also to no avail. The medical field frowns on patients using just half a vial and saving the other half for later -- unless a person tosses the unused half. It's very frustrating, for sure!

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@happyhealthyme

You are saying something that is very interesting to me -- I do have nodules. I had no idea that nodules had anything to do with MAC. About meds, I'm concerned about hearing loss, since I've already lost so much of my hearing. Should I be seeing a pulmonologist and infectious disease doctor simultaneously? Please, what are ACTs? I'm so new to this and I'm terrified.

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Until recently I saw a pulmonologist and an infectious disease doctor for my MAC & Valley Fever. I now see only the infectious disease doctor who will order the blood tests and CT scans. If the CT results are not stable or impoving, I will return to the pulmonologist again. My pulmonologist made this recommendation.

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