Klonopin taper

Posted by dawgbone @dawgbone, Jul 31, 2017

I have been on some kind of benzo for almost 40 yrs. I am trying to taper from 1.5-2 mgs of klonopin daily . Began in mid may 2017 and my last cut was very small on 7-2-17 to get to 1mg. Honestly feels like i am dying. I also take trazodone 75 mgs and 4 drugs for high blood pressure. I have been researching gabapentin and seroquel to help with the withdrawal symptons. Please offer any suggestions or help. I am 69 yrs old and cant even leave my house to visit my kids and grands. Thank you for any help!

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I weaned my son off of Clonazapam and it took about 4 months but did this in conjunction with giving him 20:1 CBD oil. He actually was less anxious and irritable with the CBD than on just Clonazapam. He was initially taking 1 mg Clonazapam in am and .5 mg in pm. I reduced it very gradually by cutting the pills with a pill cutter when needed. Example took .75mg in am and .5 mg in pm. Then .75mg in am and .25mg in pm, then .5mg in am and .25mg in pm. He took CBD tincture 2-3 times/day . He had been on Clonazapam for years prior to weaning him off slowly and introducing CBD. .

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@stephanieann

I weaned my son off of Clonazapam and it took about 4 months but did this in conjunction with giving him 20:1 CBD oil. He actually was less anxious and irritable with the CBD than on just Clonazapam. He was initially taking 1 mg Clonazapam in am and .5 mg in pm. I reduced it very gradually by cutting the pills with a pill cutter when needed. Example took .75mg in am and .5 mg in pm. Then .75mg in am and .25mg in pm, then .5mg in am and .25mg in pm. He took CBD tincture 2-3 times/day . He had been on Clonazapam for years prior to weaning him off slowly and introducing CBD. .

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Just curious @stephanieann , what did he take Clonazepam for, and is he able to communicate with you on how he feels? Also, what brand of CBD oil did you use? Just wondering. Hope the taper went well.

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He took clonazepam for chronic anxiety, irritability . He has told me he feels calmer when he takes the CBD. 20:1 ratio. I recommend finding a reliable dispensary and.or MD or nurse who is familiar with CBD in reducing anxiety and irritability. The tapering went very slow He changed brands several times because of availability issues of the CBD. tincture

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I really feel for you – I've been on klonopin for about 25 years, maybe more and my Psychiatrist is taking me off of it. I first started out with 2 mg. then he lowered it to 1.5. Last week he took me down from three pills a day to two a day. Thank the good LORD I haven't experienced any withdrawal symptoms yet – but worry about what is to come. I'm 72 years old – I could strangle my psychiatrists for putting me on it to begin with – it's a good drug for short term, but I don't think it's good for long term, especially at our age. Thanks for the tip on drugs to help to get off of it — I might need them in the near future. I believe I read somewhere that the state of Georgia is banning pharmacies from dispensing it — don't quote me on that, I know I read someplace where some state has a ban on it. Good for them! I wish I could recall the name of the state but I'm certain it's Georgia. Good luck to you – if your psychiatrist isn't helping you much – find another one that will.

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Hello all. I have been on Clonazepam for over 10 years. I initially was on Xanax started with 0.25 and by the end I was taking 4X 0.5mg daily along with an antidepressant which I tried them all and now am on 60mg of Remeron generic. My doctor wanted me to get off the xanax as I was building up a tolerance that the 4 day were no longer helping so he decided to switch me to Klonopin. My job was the focus of my anxiety including the drive. In a short time I was increased to 1 mg 4Xs a day. My doctor has mentioned he would like to get me off the klonopin as I have been on it so long and wanted to see if other treatments could replace the klonopin, After reading about tapering off it automatically makes me feel ill as it sounds like no matter how controlled the tapering process is done under medical supervision it is a living hell for what sounds like could be months. I am not sure I could put myself or my wife through this. The withdrawal from Klonopin is compared to being as severe as weaning off alcohol and heroin and other opioids. I have noticed over the past several years I am developing major memory issues and my anxiety still rears its ugly head, I still on occasion still have full blown panic attacks. So it makes me believe my doctor basically turned me into a drug addict. I am also treated for adult ADHD which was not diagnosed until I was 42 and I am now 50. So I am taking benzos and amphetamines at the same time. Which you would think would be like throwing gasoline on a fire but I have found each day can be very different from the others as someone with ADHD does not get high on the amphetamines but it levels them out and allows them to concentrate and focus. This is not always the case, Some days I find I am flatlined my word for feeling no ups or downs and sometimes I find I hyperfocus and in other times which luckily does not happen often I am not sure if its connected to anxiety prior to taking my 1st dose which is 10mg of dextroamphetamine sulfate taken 2xs a day it comes on like a freight train like I snorted 4 lines of coke. I make this reference only because I had used cocaine recreationally in my 20s when my anxiety was not as severe. It was not an addiction I did it for 6-9 months and knew to stop when it began to make me feel bad…. Never touched it again for at least 25+ years. So back to the memory issues, They have become so bad, for example my wife and I like to watch a lot of movies on Netflix and I will come across a movie and say how about this one or are we ever going to watch this one only to be told we already saw those movies and some were as soon as a week or 2 ago. I brought this up to my doctor and he says that can be common when someone has been prescribed Klonopin as long as you have. He suggested going to a CBT group and tells me its expensive ( Not exactly close to home) and when I mentioned insurance ( which btw he does not accept any so each visit is $300 out of pocket and my meds. Clonazepam, 1 mg 4Xs a day 300 mg Gabbapentin 4xs a day, 10 mg Dextroamphetamine 2xs a day and 60mg of Remeron -generic at bedtime. No wonder I can't remember anything. I am on far too many medications. I also have developed anxiety if I have to drive somewhere alone. I always have to call someone and talk as I drive to my destination.. This has been only in the last 2-3 years. I also developed claustrophobia at my previous job which actually led to the increase in dosages as I was falling behind in learning new things, I spent 17 years in IT and the last 11 as a Network Security Firewall Engineer. I had decided to focus on security long ago and each job./contract I had security/firewall engineering was always a separate team from traditional Networking, switches, routers, load balancers wireless. Well I did struggle even as a FW engineer but when we were re-org'd by a new SVP we FW engineering were merged with the network team. I was immediately at a loss as I had forgotten most of my basic network skills where the rest of my team were seasoned engineers with 10-20 years of experience than me. I knew in the back of my head my days were numbered, All along I had received pay increases, bonuses, gift cards, and even RSUs – Restricted Stock Units otherwise known as the golden handcuffs. They call them that as it is a way to keep an employee by awarding them 4000 shares of the companies stock over a 3 year period, Well during this period the company changed directions and we were tipped off by you know one of those people who is in the know of inside information. He said layoffs are coming sometime in Sept 2016. My boss at the time before this happened was the best. He was a director but liked to get his hands involved as we are re-architecting the who network with new state of the art hardware which meant learning a new OS and also wanted all of us to get our 1st level certification and then on to the next one soon after. I took the 1st exam 4xs failing with a lower score each time. Well my boss was forced out of his job as they wanted to bring in someone from one of the many companies they had acquired over the past 2 years. The replacement was someone who was clueless and was basically just a face with no personality. So on 9-13-2016 I had received a call of my company cell phone but did not recognize the number so did not pick it up. I then realized the area code was from the area where our new director was from. I quickly looked up his email contact and low and behold it was his number. I knew immediately it was not a good sign. I called him back and all he said was come down to HR room 2 or 4 I forget. I turned to my team and said only this.. Dead man walking. I got to HR and told the company was restructuring and moving on to a different direction I was handed a bunch of sheets of paper with all different job titles and the ages of those who held those titles (Age discrimination cover) I also noticed my job title never changed even after the re-org where most of my team had Network Engineer titles anyway and the other firewall engineers had become temporary manager and the other changed but my title remained the same. So when looking through the list there was no one in networking and my title stuck out like a sore thumb. I was told this is layoff had nothing to do with my performance (yeah right) it was just a company changing directions. On that day they laid off 100s if not 1000s of people. I was a single person in a group where a friend I made it was his entire team of 5 people this went on for a least a month and even continued a year later. All my meds were basically prescribed because of my job the stress long hours being on-call once a month bringing home work daily. I ended up being mentally and physically sick for the last 1-2 years. I had also asked why was I was awarded RSUs to keep me 3 years and just over a year later your laying me off.. No answer.. (typical) SO when I initially was laid off I took it as a blessing in disguise as I was so unhappy and simply could no longer keep up. Then reality set in I was looking for 15 months for a job I came to despise I had 5 interviews and no offers in the meantime I had the stock so started looking at trading. So oddly I decided I would make trading my career. I liked it.,., THEN came the new account setup to be an income account. I now became frozen. I couldn't trade I would watch and not pull the trigger and buy. this has been an ongoing dilemma for over a year now but I refuse to quit as I know I can do it. Its a mental thing I need to break but its all on me to change this. Sorry for the long post and please don't take this as a pity post. I am really afraid to go through the weaning off Klonopin – Clonazepam as it sounds like hell I don't think I could handle and the side effects sound like it may affect my marriage if I am a mess for weeks/months until its out of my system. I recall seeing where they put heroin addicts into a coma like state and let them withdrawal while being asleep; Do they do this also for Klonopin as seems like I rather be asleep rather than be awake and feel the physical pain,, anxiety, nausea, etc…..I Need help.; I watched a Netflix documentary called HEAL where people have tapped into their minds and have been able to use their brain to rid them of cancer and other diseases. Seems unreal but I think America and Big Pharma has turned Americans into drug addicts and never delve in to find the root cause of your condition. It seems the American way is write a script for more drugs. Seems many conditions/disorders are treated with therapy and drugs, As someone who has been battling Anxiety ./ Panic disorder and depression for 20-25 years its not working. Its simply a bandaid but worse its now an addiction. I am looking into holistic healers as at this point I am willing to try anything, I tried hypnosis and I dd get hypnotised but did not help me with my issues. I even asked my doctor would ECT be used ever on someone like me,.,. Never got a real answer. I also brought up medical marijuana or even CBD and as a MD he immediately dismissed it saying no proof no studies not going to happen; I kind of expected an MD to dismiss something he would not be able to control., He would essentially lose his $300 a visit patient. There is proof there have been many studies that people have used medical marijuana or CBD to help with many conditions but MDs do not want to hear it as it would kill their business of turning their patients into addicts. Not one case on record of a single person dying from the use of marijuana. All the meds I am on have plenty of deaths either by long term use/misuse or the ones who no longer go on living their lives with never ending anxiety/panic etc and end up committing suicide. Not sure why and I think it's kind of unethical but my doctor has told me when he was late for my appointment or ended one abruptly and telling me he lost another patient to suicide. WHY WOULD HE TELL ME THIS.?? Unreal again sorry writing it all down gives me hope one day I will be OK and at peace. I try to remain positive but its tough I feel I have been on a downward spiral since my lay off. I tried and when I realized maybe try for a job in IT that is not as intense. No one ever contacted me. I have a lot of skills. I just never made it to that senior level engineer. I was even denied a P/T job at Lowes how humiliating is that. No one wanted to hire me regardless….. Seriously looking for answers…..

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@1mountaingirl86

I really feel for you – I've been on klonopin for about 25 years, maybe more and my Psychiatrist is taking me off of it. I first started out with 2 mg. then he lowered it to 1.5. Last week he took me down from three pills a day to two a day. Thank the good LORD I haven't experienced any withdrawal symptoms yet – but worry about what is to come. I'm 72 years old – I could strangle my psychiatrists for putting me on it to begin with – it's a good drug for short term, but I don't think it's good for long term, especially at our age. Thanks for the tip on drugs to help to get off of it — I might need them in the near future. I believe I read somewhere that the state of Georgia is banning pharmacies from dispensing it — don't quote me on that, I know I read someplace where some state has a ban on it. Good for them! I wish I could recall the name of the state but I'm certain it's Georgia. Good luck to you – if your psychiatrist isn't helping you much – find another one that will.

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Hello I am 22 years younger than you but have the same track record 25 years and I am on 1mg 4Xs a day I can only imagine I will surely be in hell should I get up the nerve to taper off this poison my doctor basically turned me into an addict. Never delving into a root cause just take another pill…. Makes me think of the Rolling Stones "Mother's Little Helper" which is Valium but in same family damn benzos.

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@stephanieann

He took clonazepam for chronic anxiety, irritability . He has told me he feels calmer when he takes the CBD. 20:1 ratio. I recommend finding a reliable dispensary and.or MD or nurse who is familiar with CBD in reducing anxiety and irritability. The tapering went very slow He changed brands several times because of availability issues of the CBD. tincture

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Wow… My doctor when I mentioned medical marijuana or even CBD he immediately dismissed it saying no proof no studies not going to happen.. Been seeing same doctor take no insurance $300 a visit so naturally he does not want to hear what possibly could be something many doctors are against or simply afraid it will end in losing a $300 a pop patient…. So sad and he is over 60 you would think possibly he would be more open but maybe need to find a new doctor but makes me nervous as I am in a state where MMJ is legal but anxiety being added is still not on the list of conditions and recreational use is in the works but I live in a state they call the Soprano State so nothing gets done unless some backroom deals are made. Like living in a mob state.

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@stephanieann

I weaned my son off of Clonazapam and it took about 4 months but did this in conjunction with giving him 20:1 CBD oil. He actually was less anxious and irritable with the CBD than on just Clonazapam. He was initially taking 1 mg Clonazapam in am and .5 mg in pm. I reduced it very gradually by cutting the pills with a pill cutter when needed. Example took .75mg in am and .5 mg in pm. Then .75mg in am and .25mg in pm, then .5mg in am and .25mg in pm. He took CBD tincture 2-3 times/day . He had been on Clonazapam for years prior to weaning him off slowly and introducing CBD. .

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Glad to hear a success story using CBD as my doctor immediately dismissed it and medical marijuana was basically a Never going to happen. No studies no proof no way…. Doctors don't want alternative medicine to take away their lucrative $300 a visit patients to OMG CBD you would think I was saying ever consider crystal meth as an alternative.. Big Pharma and my doctor slowly killing me… 50 years old and still a mess

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Some psychiatrists will immediately dismiss anything that mentions CBD. They are possibly worried about their license and will state the party line that there are no studies yet on it. They may be worried that prescribing it could impact their license. Other doctors/psychiatrists are more open to it and will say that although they can't prescribe it they are open to it. There are a few MD's and nurse practitioners who do have familiarity with using CBC in their practice. Suggest that you google and try to find one of those and/or ask marijuana dispensary if they know of medical marijuana doctors None of the health insurances will pay for it however. There have been a very few studies however more studies are being done now. I also wonder how many long term studies have been on the use of clonazepam and chronic anxiety and the long term effects of that psychatric drug on the body.

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I have heard many people who use the CBD oil (or hemp oil) to be very useful. This is perfectly legal as they remove the "high" ingredient in it. I can't tell you how many people sell it or you can even order it online. I have never used CBD drops (much less real CBD), but know quite a few people on the FB benzo support groups found some help from it during withdrawals. Best of luck to all of you struggling with anxiety issues. You are all in my prayers.

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I have been wondering about those in the medical profession being hesitant to use the CBD. Since little was known about the benzodiazepines and their potential for issues down the road their May up being issues with the CBD as well. Just something I have been wondering about. A psychological dependence could become a problem as well. Quality is also something to consider. Marketing is tricky.
Again… just wondering as many things that have been considered safe have turned out to be questionable.
Yes, I have used CBD. It did help although the price was too much. The dosing can be difficult and personal to each person. I found the dosage recommended was okay at first. After a month it was causing irritability and some undesirable side effect. It was not worth it for me.

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I always view "studies" as not giving up until they find something negative about the subject matter, which in most cases will always happen. CBD falls perfectly into that category. There are a few CBD shops where I live and the employees are always very knowledgable. I have been upfront with them about my anxiety and panic disorder, as well as my klonopin taper. The first CBD oil/vape pen I tried, I didn't think was beneficial and made me feel a little off. So that's when I discovered not all CBD oil is created equal. I decided not to swear it off from one type I tried, that didn't work for me. So I recently went to a different (more reputable) place and found some that has been working extremely well. From my discussion with the employee, there is still a stigma amongst a lot of the general public and those in the medical community, however the tide is shifting and it is becoming a more legitimate/accepted source of "medicine".

Of course, it may not work for everyone or may cause different effects, however the general consensus has been that it has drastically helped in relieving anxiety for many people. If you do further reading on it (there is plenty) the its benefits of stopping seizures, inflammation, physical aches and pains, etc. is amazing. My personal opinion is of course many medical professionals will be skeptical or advise against it because it will directly interfere with their prescription writing..aka money. However, my doctor had the attitude of "why not" – give it a try and if you notice it helping then great. If not, stop. She said she has noticed it being a more growing, popular aid in many going through the same situation as me.

As I am approaching the end of my taper, the "jump off" point is something kind of scary to me. Having CBD as an aid to transition is rather comforting. No that does not mean its a dependency. Trust me, benzos are obviously a dependency. CBD is more of a tool for me in my "coping kit." I do not always take it, I have absolutely no cravings or itching for it. It is not like nicotine. Personally, it is a natural, beautiful alternative to the last thing I want to be on…pills. Of course, depending on your situation and medications, this varies for everyone. Again, for me, it works wonderfully for my anxiety, panic, mood stabilization, and sleep.

I have a tincture of oil that I take orally (under the tongue) and a vape pen I can carry around in times of sudden panic/anxiety. I hate to compare it, but you can say it's like a xanax (fast acting/not long lasting…typically an hour) — but without the hellish qualities of a benzo. I went into CBD with an open mind after hearing all the success stories. I was excited for a natural alternative, that didn't require a doctor's slip. I'm very, very glad I did.

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@chrpeters23

*Personal opinion/experience disclaimer* — Results may very

I always view "studies" as not giving up until they find something negative about the subject matter, which in most cases will always happen. CBD falls perfectly into that category. There are a few CBD shops where I live and the employees are always very knowledgable. I have been upfront with them about my anxiety and panic disorder, as well as my klonopin taper. The first CBD oil/vape pen I tried, I didn't think was beneficial and made me feel a little off. So that's when I discovered not all CBD oil is created equal. I decided not to swear it off from one type I tried, that didn't work for me. So I recently went to a different (more reputable) place and found some that has been working extremely well. From my discussion with the employee, there is still a stigma amongst a lot of the general public and those in the medical community, however the tide is shifting and it is becoming a more legitimate/accepted source of "medicine".

Of course, it may not work for everyone or may cause different effects, however the general consensus has been that it has drastically helped in relieving anxiety for many people. If you do further reading on it (there is plenty) the its benefits of stopping seizures, inflammation, physical aches and pains, etc. is amazing. My personal opinion is of course many medical professionals will be skeptical or advise against it because it will directly interfere with their prescription writing..aka money. However, my doctor had the attitude of "why not" – give it a try and if you notice it helping then great. If not, stop. She said she has noticed it being a more growing, popular aid in many going through the same situation as me.

As I am approaching the end of my taper, the "jump off" point is something kind of scary to me. Having CBD as an aid to transition is rather comforting. No that does not mean its a dependency. Trust me, benzos are obviously a dependency. CBD is more of a tool for me in my "coping kit." I do not always take it, I have absolutely no cravings or itching for it. It is not like nicotine. Personally, it is a natural, beautiful alternative to the last thing I want to be on…pills. Of course, depending on your situation and medications, this varies for everyone. Again, for me, it works wonderfully for my anxiety, panic, mood stabilization, and sleep.

I have a tincture of oil that I take orally (under the tongue) and a vape pen I can carry around in times of sudden panic/anxiety. I hate to compare it, but you can say it's like a xanax (fast acting/not long lasting…typically an hour) — but without the hellish qualities of a benzo. I went into CBD with an open mind after hearing all the success stories. I was excited for a natural alternative, that didn't require a doctor's slip. I'm very, very glad I did.

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I also want to add – CBD oil is not new. There is a lot of history for it being used for medicinal purposes. So there is no guinea pig phenomenon happening with those trying it in last several years. I think there is plenty of "too good to be true" type perceptions of it, thus causing the skepticism.

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@parus

I have been wondering about those in the medical profession being hesitant to use the CBD. Since little was known about the benzodiazepines and their potential for issues down the road their May up being issues with the CBD as well. Just something I have been wondering about. A psychological dependence could become a problem as well. Quality is also something to consider. Marketing is tricky.
Again… just wondering as many things that have been considered safe have turned out to be questionable.
Yes, I have used CBD. It did help although the price was too much. The dosing can be difficult and personal to each person. I found the dosage recommended was okay at first. After a month it was causing irritability and some undesirable side effect. It was not worth it for me.

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@parus Its not from a pharmaceutical

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@lioness

@parus Its not from a pharmaceutical

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@lioness I was purposely avoiding that issue. Did not want to stir the pot too much. 😉

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