Klonopin taper

Posted by dawgbone @dawgbone, Jul 31, 2017

I have been on some kind of benzo for almost 40 yrs. I am trying to taper from 1.5-2 mgs of klonopin daily . Began in mid may 2017 and my last cut was very small on 7-2-17 to get to 1mg. Honestly feels like i am dying. I also take trazodone 75 mgs and 4 drugs for high blood pressure. I have been researching gabapentin and seroquel to help with the withdrawal symptons. Please offer any suggestions or help. I am 69 yrs old and cant even leave my house to visit my kids and grands. Thank you for any help!

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@lizaa

Thank you so much @chrpeters23 ! Your story is encouraging. So happy to hear that you seem to be doing better without the Klonopin. I too noticed that in situations that I am usually nervous, I am more shaky and have anxiety that I didn't have before Klonopin. Though I take it for a movement disorder, I can tell it has affected my emotions on a small scale. My prayers are with you, and you are soooo close to being free. Good luck and thank you for the encouragement!

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Hi @lizaa
I’m just chiming in with a little input from my current taper. I’m on a liquid suspension taper and I have to make very tiny cuts.

1- make sure if you do a liquid taper and have it compounded, that the pharmacy compounding for you uses a simple syrup suspension. Suspensions often have artificial sweeteners and preservatives, those make me terribly sick.! I avoid all artificial sweeteners as they make my symptoms 100% worse. My first suspension was not simple syrup and I was sick for several weeks after the first dose. I did some research on the suspension used and realized I had ingested Splenda. That was a nightmare experience.

2- Make sure they compound with the same brand pill you are currently using. Generic Clonazepam can vary a lot in their formulation. Different fillers and binders from one manufacture to another. Those changes from brand to brand can create different reactions and my experience has been that some symptoms can be more intense with certain generic brands of Clonazepam. Everybody is different but the variations from one pill to another really affect me. So I keep tabs on the brand.

Overall I have found it is way more costly to have it compounded (@80.00) but it is much more accurate in cutting doses and easier to make cuts bc I can make them very small. So very much worth the extra expense. Google liquid benzo taper and you can get the jist of it online. There are some good videos out there

Hope this helps some!
Love & Strength
Ann

PS your dr will have to write the script for suspension in order to get it in suspension

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@lizaa

Thank you so much @chrpeters23 ! Your story is encouraging. So happy to hear that you seem to be doing better without the Klonopin. I too noticed that in situations that I am usually nervous, I am more shaky and have anxiety that I didn't have before Klonopin. Though I take it for a movement disorder, I can tell it has affected my emotions on a small scale. My prayers are with you, and you are soooo close to being free. Good luck and thank you for the encouragement!

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Absolutely and you too!

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@annfsd

Hi @lizaa
I’m just chiming in with a little input from my current taper. I’m on a liquid suspension taper and I have to make very tiny cuts.

1- make sure if you do a liquid taper and have it compounded, that the pharmacy compounding for you uses a simple syrup suspension. Suspensions often have artificial sweeteners and preservatives, those make me terribly sick.! I avoid all artificial sweeteners as they make my symptoms 100% worse. My first suspension was not simple syrup and I was sick for several weeks after the first dose. I did some research on the suspension used and realized I had ingested Splenda. That was a nightmare experience.

2- Make sure they compound with the same brand pill you are currently using. Generic Clonazepam can vary a lot in their formulation. Different fillers and binders from one manufacture to another. Those changes from brand to brand can create different reactions and my experience has been that some symptoms can be more intense with certain generic brands of Clonazepam. Everybody is different but the variations from one pill to another really affect me. So I keep tabs on the brand.

Overall I have found it is way more costly to have it compounded (@80.00) but it is much more accurate in cutting doses and easier to make cuts bc I can make them very small. So very much worth the extra expense. Google liquid benzo taper and you can get the jist of it online. There are some good videos out there

Hope this helps some!
Love & Strength
Ann

PS your dr will have to write the script for suspension in order to get it in suspension

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@annfsd Thank you Ann! I appreciate your help. I wasn't sure how well the compounded liquid taper worked or how expensive it could have been. I was worried it would be hundreds of dollars per month to compound into solution. I have been following an LT group on FB that uses 300 ml of water at home, and dissolving your pill in it. A lot of these people seem to do well, but I realize it is a do-it-yourself type of thing. Part of me is concerned about trying that way, although a lot of people seem to do fairly well with it. I am staying at my current .90mg for now since it's been about 3 weeks, and I am doing well. I plan to try another taper next month again, but know I can't eyeball it anymore by using a pillcutter. I appreciate everyone's input here. I am very glad to have found this group, because it's full of different responses, and many different experiences. Thank you!!

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I have been on some type of benzo (alprazolam and now klonopin) for at least 11 years. I recently weaned from klonopin 1 mg twice daily to .25mg at bedtime ( over a three month period). My question is this. I have recently relocated to a new state, new job, new friends etc. I have had a bad few days and took my 2mg dose Saturday Sunday and today. Do I need to start all over? Or can I safely resume my 0.25mg tonight? I’m afraid I have set myself back. Please help!! Thank you!!!

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@bobbieb

I have been on some type of benzo (alprazolam and now klonopin) for at least 11 years. I recently weaned from klonopin 1 mg twice daily to .25mg at bedtime ( over a three month period). My question is this. I have recently relocated to a new state, new job, new friends etc. I have had a bad few days and took my 2mg dose Saturday Sunday and today. Do I need to start all over? Or can I safely resume my 0.25mg tonight? I’m afraid I have set myself back. Please help!! Thank you!!!

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@bobbieb Can understand you not wanting a setback. I doubt this should be a problem. I am not a doctor. Maybe some others have input. Oft benzodiazepines are prescribed PRN. I would go back to the .25 at bedtime and go from there.

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@parus

@bobbieb Can understand you not wanting a setback. I doubt this should be a problem. I am not a doctor. Maybe some others have input. Oft benzodiazepines are prescribed PRN. I would go back to the .25 at bedtime and go from there.

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Thank you so much! It’s been a long road and I hated the fact that I may have wasted all these months of tapering. Thank you again!!!

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@bobbieb

I have been on some type of benzo (alprazolam and now klonopin) for at least 11 years. I recently weaned from klonopin 1 mg twice daily to .25mg at bedtime ( over a three month period). My question is this. I have recently relocated to a new state, new job, new friends etc. I have had a bad few days and took my 2mg dose Saturday Sunday and today. Do I need to start all over? Or can I safely resume my 0.25mg tonight? I’m afraid I have set myself back. Please help!! Thank you!!!

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@bobbieb
Hi 👋 there,
You have been taking it for a long time. Because of that I would decrease it even slower. If it was me I would decrease your dose by a max of 10% per dose every 2 weeks minimum and preferably every 3-4 weeks. You have already found out what happens when you decrease too quickly. Some people can decrease quicker. One person here is decreasing their dose by less than half a percent. Getting off without withdrawal issues will be time consuming. I got off it without withdrawal symptoms but it took quite awhile. I definitely wouldn’t go back to the .25 a day. You had symptoms at that dose and may again. Its important to remember how long you were on it.
Good luck,
Jake

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I have been on Klonpin for 25 years, I have an anxiety disorder. I have been able to taper from. 75 to.25, but I cannot go any lower as i have panic attacks, anyone else with this?

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@imabamagal

I have been on Klonpin for 25 years, I have an anxiety disorder. I have been able to taper from. 75 to.25, but I cannot go any lower as i have panic attacks, anyone else with this?

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HI, @imabamagal – hoping other members on this thread on clonazepam (Klonopin) taper like @chrpeters23 @hiswifehisqueen @lorraine59 @lizaa @bobbieb @annfsd will have some input as you are having trouble getting down from the .25 dosage.

What has your doctor suggested for your taper schedule, given that you are having these panic attacks in trying to go lower than the .25 level, @imabamagal?

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@lisalucier

HI, @imabamagal – hoping other members on this thread on clonazepam (Klonopin) taper like @chrpeters23 @hiswifehisqueen @lorraine59 @lizaa @bobbieb @annfsd will have some input as you are having trouble getting down from the .25 dosage.

What has your doctor suggested for your taper schedule, given that you are having these panic attacks in trying to go lower than the .25 level, @imabamagal?

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No, the panic attacks came first, that is why I am on klonpin@

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@imabamagal

No, the panic attacks came first, that is why I am on klonpin@

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Hi @imabamagal – Just to give you my quick background with Klonopin: I too was prescribed for anxiety/panic disorder. For 10 years, I was taking .05mg twice a day. I've been tapering off of it for about the past 8-9 months. I have cut to 0.0635mg and will be tapering to 0.03125 soon.

I briefly touched on this before – for those prescribed Klonopin for anxiety/panic, it's tricky to recognize if it's the taper causing panic attacks or the disorder that was the root of being put on it in the first place (or maybe a combo of both). Even the fact of knowing you are getting off the drug that many depend on to control something scary can be enough to cause panic attacks.

Paying attention, or keeping a journal, of the trends of these panic attacks may help in understanding this a bit more. Are they occurring during the days following a cut? Are they consistent within the weeks or months of adjusting to a cut. Now I don't want to influence you too much on reasoning, but the fact you've been on it for 25 years should most likely be handled with a very, very slow taper. As Lisa asked, what is your advised schedule and how long have you been tapering? Are you doing this under medical care? What was your starting dose before tapering?

Thanks – Chris

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@chrpeters23

Hi @imabamagal – Just to give you my quick background with Klonopin: I too was prescribed for anxiety/panic disorder. For 10 years, I was taking .05mg twice a day. I've been tapering off of it for about the past 8-9 months. I have cut to 0.0635mg and will be tapering to 0.03125 soon.

I briefly touched on this before – for those prescribed Klonopin for anxiety/panic, it's tricky to recognize if it's the taper causing panic attacks or the disorder that was the root of being put on it in the first place (or maybe a combo of both). Even the fact of knowing you are getting off the drug that many depend on to control something scary can be enough to cause panic attacks.

Paying attention, or keeping a journal, of the trends of these panic attacks may help in understanding this a bit more. Are they occurring during the days following a cut? Are they consistent within the weeks or months of adjusting to a cut. Now I don't want to influence you too much on reasoning, but the fact you've been on it for 25 years should most likely be handled with a very, very slow taper. As Lisa asked, what is your advised schedule and how long have you been tapering? Are you doing this under medical care? What was your starting dose before tapering?

Thanks – Chris

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@I I was on .75mg for my GAD. I have been tapering for 6 months, the dr. Had gave me buspar, but it caused bad insomnia, so I had to Stop taking it.. I have tried to lower
The .25 several times and it causes the rapid heartbeat with extreme sweating and insomnia. I only take klonpin at night, I told the dr. During the day, I can handle the panic just with breathing and finding something to do, at night. I cant, I have a very complicated life as I am raising 2 granddaughters

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@imabamagal

@I I was on .75mg for my GAD. I have been tapering for 6 months, the dr. Had gave me buspar, but it caused bad insomnia, so I had to Stop taking it.. I have tried to lower
The .25 several times and it causes the rapid heartbeat with extreme sweating and insomnia. I only take klonpin at night, I told the dr. During the day, I can handle the panic just with breathing and finding something to do, at night. I cant, I have a very complicated life as I am raising 2 granddaughters

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Thank you for the info. I don't usually like to advise on other people's tapers (especially since I have no medical background), but my initial thoughts are:

a) There wasn't enough time given for your body/mind to adjust to whatever dosage of Klonopin you were taking before stepping down to .25mg
b) There needs to be a smaller cut from .75mg, instead of jumping to .25mg

Unfortunately, there may always be some symptoms experienced at any cut, but they can certainly be minimized when taking it slower and other practices are implemented. Hopefully someone who has dealt with only taking klopin at night can advise on this. For most of the 10 years, I was only taking it in the morning.

Insomnia alone can play a huge factor in anxiety and panic the next day if I haven't had enough sleep. While starting my taper program, my doctor also had me start taking melatonin before sleeping. It has helped greatly. She couldn't stress enough the importance of sleep has on one's mental state.

For me, the major symptom while tapering has been heart palpitations. Although usually not serious, they are uncomfortable and can make it hard to focus when staying still, thus causing me anxiety. My doctor prescribed me Atenolol and it has helped tremendously. It is a beta blocker that treats high blood pressure, but works wonders on my heart palpitations, heart rate, and also relieves anxiety.

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@imabamagal I agree with the others, I think your taper was too big of a jump. My own doctors encouraged the same amount of jump for me-from 1mg to 0.5mg. And as chrpeters23 said, whatever the reason you are prescribed for it, be it anxiety, or like me, a movement disorder, a big cut, can mean a sudden increase in symptoms. My myocolonic jerking (that's what I take it for), flares up when I tried to cut too much. Going at a much slower rate, has made my tapering smooth now. I still have a ways, but intend to go slower as I get lower. I hope that will work for you too and that would be the best advice that everyone here will give you…slowly but surely.

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@lizaa

@imabamagal I agree with the others, I think your taper was too big of a jump. My own doctors encouraged the same amount of jump for me-from 1mg to 0.5mg. And as chrpeters23 said, whatever the reason you are prescribed for it, be it anxiety, or like me, a movement disorder, a big cut, can mean a sudden increase in symptoms. My myocolonic jerking (that's what I take it for), flares up when I tried to cut too much. Going at a much slower rate, has made my tapering smooth now. I still have a ways, but intend to go slower as I get lower. I hope that will work for you too and that would be the best advice that everyone here will give you…slowly but surely.

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@right now, I am leaving it at the , 25, I have felt better than I have in a long time, eventually maybe I can go lower and give it up, but I do not know of any adverse reactions that it is causing me right now

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