Interesting study about a new way to turn off inflammation

Posted by jeff97 @jeff97, Jan 20 5:12am

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@beachesanddreams Hi thanks for your post. After hitting your link to Northwell Health, and seeing the connection to PBM (aka red light therapy) found this NIH article. very dry, but convinces me to check into the possibilty. I am already using red light therapy on my hands and now laying under a larger screen- want to see if my Gastgro doc who specializes in ELP can direct me to the right PBM for OLP/ELP. Thanks! open to any suggestions.

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@chrisanon I’m glad you checked it out! Now I have to go back myself and search more for the info on red light therapy. I focused more on the vagus nerve aspect of his clinical practice.

If you don’t mind my asking, I’d love to know what you use the red light therapy for and if you feel it works for you.

I was just chatting with a friend last night and she sent me a picture of a red light therapy device her husband uses for his arthritic knee. He is 82 and unstoppable! He hits the gym most very day and is very active with his grandkids.

My rheumatologist told me there’s no hard data to support its use for pain, so I’ve held off on buying anything.

Thanks so much!

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@victoria7 I too was raised on meat - there was always half a cow, a pig and chickens in the freezer. But due to the size of our family, we didn't have huge quantities-it was always balanced by 2 vegetables, potaotes, a salad, bread or biscuits and relishes.
Now we eat beef and pork about once a week each, chicken and fish once or twice, and some meatless days. Even meat meals tend to be something like chili, soup or stew with lots of vegetables and legumes added. And lots of fresh fruits and salads.

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@sueinmn I make a giant salad with spring mix, iceberg, fresh mint, fresh flat leaf parsley, and red onion twice a week and store it in the fridge. Anytime I want a salad for lunch or dinner, it’s all ready to go. All I do is portion it out, maybe pop some feta cheese and/or golden raisins in there with a protein, and I’m good to go.

Takes a little time, but it’s worth it. I love salads. 😂

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@chrisanon I’m glad you checked it out! Now I have to go back myself and search more for the info on red light therapy. I focused more on the vagus nerve aspect of his clinical practice.

If you don’t mind my asking, I’d love to know what you use the red light therapy for and if you feel it works for you.

I was just chatting with a friend last night and she sent me a picture of a red light therapy device her husband uses for his arthritic knee. He is 82 and unstoppable! He hits the gym most very day and is very active with his grandkids.

My rheumatologist told me there’s no hard data to support its use for pain, so I’ve held off on buying anything.

Thanks so much!

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@beachesanddreams Started with professional red light therapy at a Chiropractor's office who deals mainly with athletes using high technology. I found him on line when I had heard about RLT that was suggested to me by an orthopedic surgeon for my ankle repair. That place was booked out, so I called on this PT office. He also offered shock wave therapy and TECAR in addition to RLT. I then progressed to my arthritic hands/wrists and shoulders, all of which need surgery (Reverse shoulders and carpal tunnel, with complications- in addition to needing cervical surgery, but holding off an as much as possible as long as possible, already have bilateral hips and knees replacements now going on 15 and 22 years out. Not fun, so non-invasive was a great option. He has more powerful RLT, and between RLT and Shock Wave therapy, I found relief for my ankles, hands, wrists and shoulders. I was already being treated with Journavx and that has a limited treatment time- Since the professional therapy required thrice weekly meetings (short, but the drive, the cost, were getting a bit much - had about 20 sessions- and $4 g cost- so decided to order online. I purchased a $30 RLT in a strip I could wrap around my ankles, hands, neck, etc.. worked so well I bought another so I could use for two limbs at once. Then my daughter gifted me a larger panel one on a stand that can be adjusted in height and angle and I love it. I keep that upstairs and the small ones downstairs. There are several types of Light therapy, including Valeda Light Therapy for Age related macular Degeneration, which I am now going to investigate, due to a recent diagnosis. Hoping that will be as helpful. I hate to advertise but the large online store offers a ton of options- (I have not had success in finding them in small businesses), aside from RLT for cosmetic facial reasons. ) Hope this helps.

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@beachesanddreams Started with professional red light therapy at a Chiropractor's office who deals mainly with athletes using high technology. I found him on line when I had heard about RLT that was suggested to me by an orthopedic surgeon for my ankle repair. That place was booked out, so I called on this PT office. He also offered shock wave therapy and TECAR in addition to RLT. I then progressed to my arthritic hands/wrists and shoulders, all of which need surgery (Reverse shoulders and carpal tunnel, with complications- in addition to needing cervical surgery, but holding off an as much as possible as long as possible, already have bilateral hips and knees replacements now going on 15 and 22 years out. Not fun, so non-invasive was a great option. He has more powerful RLT, and between RLT and Shock Wave therapy, I found relief for my ankles, hands, wrists and shoulders. I was already being treated with Journavx and that has a limited treatment time- Since the professional therapy required thrice weekly meetings (short, but the drive, the cost, were getting a bit much - had about 20 sessions- and $4 g cost- so decided to order online. I purchased a $30 RLT in a strip I could wrap around my ankles, hands, neck, etc.. worked so well I bought another so I could use for two limbs at once. Then my daughter gifted me a larger panel one on a stand that can be adjusted in height and angle and I love it. I keep that upstairs and the small ones downstairs. There are several types of Light therapy, including Valeda Light Therapy for Age related macular Degeneration, which I am now going to investigate, due to a recent diagnosis. Hoping that will be as helpful. I hate to advertise but the large online store offers a ton of options- (I have not had success in finding them in small businesses), aside from RLT for cosmetic facial reasons. ) Hope this helps.

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@chrisanon It really helps, thank you! I’m glad you’ve found relief with them. That option is so much CB better than taking more pills.

I’ve seen the large scale RLT devices (the ones on stands that cover the whole body) on Amazon. I know their effectiveness depends on the number and quality/type of LED’s, so that’s something I’d have to look into.

I’m lucky now in that I am managing my discomfort with daily walks, stepping, stretching, some at-home Pilates moves, along with heat before sleep and cold therapy in the morning. The 1,400 mg turmeric and fish oil is making a difference too, I think, along with a better diet.

Thanks for your detailed response. Wishing you many more pain-reduced days!

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In the meantime, I am using Low Dose Naltrexone for inflammation control. It does require a slow titration process but my pain from inflammation is down about 50%.

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@vostie I have also had a very good experience with LDN. I have rheumatoid arthritis and erosive osteoarthritis and LDN has reduced inflammation and pain, and I am taking far fewer nsaids. In fact, LDN is the only thing that has really addressed hand pain from erosive osteoarthritis.

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@chrisanon It really helps, thank you! I’m glad you’ve found relief with them. That option is so much CB better than taking more pills.

I’ve seen the large scale RLT devices (the ones on stands that cover the whole body) on Amazon. I know their effectiveness depends on the number and quality/type of LED’s, so that’s something I’d have to look into.

I’m lucky now in that I am managing my discomfort with daily walks, stepping, stretching, some at-home Pilates moves, along with heat before sleep and cold therapy in the morning. The 1,400 mg turmeric and fish oil is making a difference too, I think, along with a better diet.

Thanks for your detailed response. Wishing you many more pain-reduced days!

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@beachesanddreams Thank you for the helpful additional info that may help others, These are all excellent suggestions. Sending warm continued healing vibes back.

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@beachesanddreams Thank you for the helpful additional info that may help others, These are all excellent suggestions. Sending warm continued healing vibes back.

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@chrisanon 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

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@chrisanon It really helps, thank you! I’m glad you’ve found relief with them. That option is so much CB better than taking more pills.

I’ve seen the large scale RLT devices (the ones on stands that cover the whole body) on Amazon. I know their effectiveness depends on the number and quality/type of LED’s, so that’s something I’d have to look into.

I’m lucky now in that I am managing my discomfort with daily walks, stepping, stretching, some at-home Pilates moves, along with heat before sleep and cold therapy in the morning. The 1,400 mg turmeric and fish oil is making a difference too, I think, along with a better diet.

Thanks for your detailed response. Wishing you many more pain-reduced days!

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@beachesanddreams Howdee: sorry but I am not liking acronyms.. Cheri

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@beachesanddreams Howdee: sorry but I am not liking acronyms.. Cheri

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@ruralgal76 Cheri, I agree with the acronyms...especially the ones that are not obvious. LOL I RLT (Red Light Therapy-photobiomodulation) (620nm–700nm) is more for skin surface. However, NIR (near Infrared ) is best for inflammation, arthritis and pain (780nm–1200nm). LEDs - type of bulb used. LDN-(Low Dose Naltraxone) is an off-label therapy useful for pain, neuropathy, and so much more...recommend doing a search on its benefits. TECAR-(Transfer of Energy Capacitive and Resistive) is radiofrequency-based, electrotherapy modality that helps improve range of motion amongst other benefits. I hope this helps with a few of them. 🙂

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Pure curcumin is already known to be an sEH blocker and curcumin has been known to be antiinflammatory for centuries.

I take nearly one gram of pure curcuminoids a day as part of my treatment for RA.

I am in full remission with perfect blood scores.

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@cptrayes What brand of curcumin do you use? Thank you!

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