“In the midst of confusion, love is the only compass.”

Posted by frances007 @frances007, Oct 2, 2023

Hello, I am writing today because as you may know, I am a caregiver for my 84 year old friend who has dementia. I attend to her everyday, prepare meals, feed the cat, ensure she takes her medication and things of that nature. I do this alone and without compensation, and I have been doing well with the situation until today. My friend once had a beautiful ring that she gave me because my fingers are just as small as hers were when she could wear it. After several months and before she became demented, she asked that I return the ring, which I did. Last night I was in her bathroom and noticed that the ring was not in its usual place so I asked her what had become of the ring. Suffice to say I did not sleep last night because there are circumstances beyond my control with respect to the subject ring. Today my friend, Joyce, told me that she had given it to another friend, the woman who was the subject of an investigation by Adult Protective Services. Many of "us" suspected that this person was stealing money and items from Joyce, I notified the bank and they were the ones who contacted Adult Protective Services. I spoke at great length to the social worker and expressed my valid concerns about this other woman because she is the reason that Joyce has no financial security, presently. The woman cleaned her out and that is why they split up. For reasons I am unable to wrap my head around, I cannot understand why Joyce continues to place this person on a pedestal. The fact that she gave her this ring deeply hurt me because she had assured me that she would return it to me after she was done looking at it, again pre dementia. There is no reason other than the fact that this woman probably wanted to sell the ring, for her to have it, because it was too small for her fingers and even if she tried to have it resized, it would not have looked right on her hand, as she is a large woman with big hands. The subject ring was small and was designed for a small person, like myself and Joyce. Joyce was unable to explain to me why she gave away the ring, and that is okay. However, just a couple of weeks ago I caught this woman red handed taking things from Joyce and I told her that if anything else belonging either to myself or Joyce goes missing, I would file a police report and contact Adult Protective services. She responded that she would forward my "threatening" message to a niece who works at the DA's office, and I responded, "please do." I understand that situations like this are common, but that does not make it any easier for me. Yes, I accept that Joyce is no longer the "Joyce" I grew to love and spend time with. I never anticipated being in the "parent" position, and in all honesty I wish I could back off. However, Joyce has no one else who is willing to do the things that I do for her. While I had hoped to take a break and go stay with my sister, whose husband also has advanced dementia, an invitation has not been extended and I am not planning to ask again if and when I may come up for a visit.
I feel some guilt about the fact that I need a break. On the other hand, I know that I am doing the right thing by taking care of her because I have a big heart. Maybe it is too big.
After talking to Joyce on the phone earlier I became very upset and actually felt hurt by the fact that the subject ring was given to someone who I believe is taking advantage of Joyce's mental state. It is not the ring, it is the fact that she apparently does not feel the same way about me as she does for the woman who I will call a female lethario (from Shakespeare).
Recently Joyce has been telling me about the things in her apartment that "the other woman" wants when Joyce dies. She says things like, "so and so has "dibs" on that, so you cannot have it." Please keep in mind that I have not asked Joyce for anything, but have suggested that if there are certain things of hers that she wants to give to certain people, she needs to write it down so that there is no confusion in the event of her death.
We had plans to celebrate my birthday next Monday, but I told her today that I did not want to celebrate my birthday with anyone, and made up an excuse that I have a doctors appointment. Why? Because I am saddened that this birthday will be totally unlike the birthdays we have celebrated for the past 10 years. My grief over the loss of her "friendship" is enormous, and as a result I would rather not spend the day with her. Fine, because I have had a bad year anyway in terms of my own health and in all fairness, I just want to go into deep cover.

Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how did you cope with this kind of loss?

Thank you

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frances,
I understand how you must feel but please try to not take it personally. That is something that I am working on too. I have been married for over 50 years and there are times when my husband thinks I am someone else. He is losing memory of all the wonderful things that we have done in our life as well as not remembering serious things we have dealt with. Yesterday I said it has been almost 4 years since I had breast cancer surgery and he said that he didn't know that I had had surgery & 4 weeks of radiation.
Please understand that your friend has a brain disease and it doesn't take away all of the wonderful years of your friendship. I am trying to come to terms with the fact that my husband in many ways is not the same person anymore and possibly it is the same with your friend.
I would like to hear what others have to say about coping. Seriously, this is the most heartbreaking thing I have ever had to live through so I understand how you must feel.
I am just trying to make it one day at a time.

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in reply to @katrina123 Thank you very much for your touching post. Yes, taking care of someone with dementia can be especially tasking, physically and emotionally. Therefore, I have made the very difficult decision to slowly step back from taking care of my friend. The situation has become very toxic because of her other "friend"who essentially wants total control over Joyce. I do not have the physical or emotional/mental energy to "fight" with the "other" person. While this decision took much consideration and perhaps even prayer (which I do not usually do), it is the best one for me, especially so because I am suffering from a very serious medical condition myself, and if I cannot properly take care of myself, I am no use to others. I do not plan to abruptly stop, but rather will slowly turn my back, knowing that at some point Joyce will forget about me. This in itself is sad enough because we share so many fond memories, and have until now always been there for each other. The toxic friend has ulterior motives, this many of Joyce's friends know is true. We will never understand the extent of control this person has over Joyce, but suffice to say that I want no part of her or her antics.
I went over to Joyce's last night to prepare dinner, and asked her if her friend had been over, to which she responded, "no," I knew this was not true because it was obvious to me that she had been over, and had placed some food in the refrigerator that I know Joyce will not eat and I will throw away in a couple of days. I also noticed that on the note that I leave Joyce every evening telling her what the next day is and things of that nature, that the sentence I had added, "please try to find the gold ring with the mermaids and stone" had been crossed out and Joyce had written, "I gave it to so and so." The page had been turned over, something that Joyce never does, which made it even more obvious to me that her "friend" had been over earlier in the day. I suggested to Joyce that she get a "guest book" so that people who do come over can essentially "sign in" and then Joyce will know who came over on any particular day. Normally I would purchase something like this for Joyce, but I will not, at least not today.
I have expended too much of myself and money into ensuring that Joyce has everything she needs to live as comfortably as possible during this time. I have overlooked my own needs and as a result am feeling worse than I have in a very long time, financially, physically and emotionally. Naturally, I cried most of the afternoon before I went over to see Joyce, and even cried while I was there, trying to explain that I was going to have to take things more slowly, and that I would not be spending my birthday with her as planned, and that I will never understand why suddenly her friend is at the top of her totem pole. I tried again to explain the nature of my disease, and that there is no cure for me. Whether or not she understands this is up to God at this point. No, I am not religious, nor is Joyce. But we use the word "God" to mean some all encompassing being that may be "in control" for lack of a better word.
Joyce's friend knows that I am suffering from an incurable medical condition. Her friend is a sociopath, and I say this because I lived with one for ten years and the signs are in front of my face, which is why I left my relationship in the first place, although it took me 10 years to do so. Her friend is a master manipulator, a pathological liar and then some. Having been involved with someone like this in my past, I do not want to have anything more to do with her or her antics which actually made me feel as though I were back in my relationship with the sociopath. The towel incident is a perfect example. I had given Joyce a set of expensive towels, which she loved. Some months went by and suddenly the towels were folded and placed on a table in Joyce's living room with a note for me to take them home because they were too "rough." They were rough because I had dried them in the sun, knowing, as Joyce did, that they would soften after their first use. Her friend was present when I explained this, and then offered to buy Joyce a different set of towels that I had recently seen at a high end resale shop. Her friend yelled at me to stop buying things for Joyce, and that she had already given Joyce some towels. She said she had given Joyce some towels to replace the ones I had given to her. I later looked in the linen closet and laughed because the towels were so old that they could not be properly folded. As I type this, I realize it is beginning to read like a manifesto, but I will get to the point. When the "friend" went to leave, I asked if I could walk her to her car, and she responded with an outstretched arm, saying, "STOP!" I could not help noticing that she was carrying a large bundle. Later she texted me that she would be dropping off some things for Joyce, to which I responded, "please remember to return the towels" because after she left, the towels were gone. She responded, "have you looked in the laundry basket?" It was at this point that I sent her the "threatening" message that if one more thing went missing from Joyce, I would file a police report. These antics are typical of someone with a serious personality disorder, which I want no part of. In fact, a few nights ago I ordered a background check on this person and discovered that she cares for many elderly women, has an AKA etc.
There are many who prey on those who may be "less than" and I say this not out of judgment, but rather mean people who are unable to think for themselves. As you know, taking care of someone with dementia can turn into having to think for two people, and this in itself is tasking/taxing. My sister has the same problem with her husband of 53 years. When I told my sister that Joyce had now reached the point where she is becoming "mean" my sister told me that if my brother in law becomes mean, she will place him in the memory care facility as she had planned to do the first of the year until her children talked her out of it. I do not do "mean" well, as I am too sensitive, and even though I know intellectually that Joyce is not the same Joyce who was always like a gentle lamb, I cannot tolerate what feels like emotional abuse. I don't have to tolerate it and I won't.
I feel sorry for those like you who are married to someone with dementia, like my sister. I do not know how you find the strength each day to face the unknown, the craziness and the loss of someone you have loved and lived with for a very long time. If you were standing beside me, I would give you a giant bear hug, or a "cub hug" because I only weigh 95 pounds. I look forward to hearing from you again, and I thank you for reaching out to me. I feel better already.

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@frances007 and all here -- Only someone who has had or dealt with a sociopath in their life can fully understand the toxicity, unending stress, drama and destruction that they can wreak in a relationship. (Have one in our family.) The ongoing manipulation, lying, false excuses, gaslighting, insults, emotional abuse, and even potential physical abuse can be overwhelming. These people really care for no one but themselves, and will do just about ANYTHING to get what they want from others.

Best Advice to Anyone Out There: Get away and stay away, and don't look back. Share nothing personal with them... they'll only use it as a tool to further weaken you. Only keep positive people / things in your life... throw away all the negative ones.

/LarryG

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@katrina123

frances,
I understand how you must feel but please try to not take it personally. That is something that I am working on too. I have been married for over 50 years and there are times when my husband thinks I am someone else. He is losing memory of all the wonderful things that we have done in our life as well as not remembering serious things we have dealt with. Yesterday I said it has been almost 4 years since I had breast cancer surgery and he said that he didn't know that I had had surgery & 4 weeks of radiation.
Please understand that your friend has a brain disease and it doesn't take away all of the wonderful years of your friendship. I am trying to come to terms with the fact that my husband in many ways is not the same person anymore and possibly it is the same with your friend.
I would like to hear what others have to say about coping. Seriously, this is the most heartbreaking thing I have ever had to live through so I understand how you must feel.
I am just trying to make it one day at a time.

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You sound like you are living the same situation as me. Thank you for your thoughts. They help.

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@frances007

in reply to @katrina123 Thank you very much for your touching post. Yes, taking care of someone with dementia can be especially tasking, physically and emotionally. Therefore, I have made the very difficult decision to slowly step back from taking care of my friend. The situation has become very toxic because of her other "friend"who essentially wants total control over Joyce. I do not have the physical or emotional/mental energy to "fight" with the "other" person. While this decision took much consideration and perhaps even prayer (which I do not usually do), it is the best one for me, especially so because I am suffering from a very serious medical condition myself, and if I cannot properly take care of myself, I am no use to others. I do not plan to abruptly stop, but rather will slowly turn my back, knowing that at some point Joyce will forget about me. This in itself is sad enough because we share so many fond memories, and have until now always been there for each other. The toxic friend has ulterior motives, this many of Joyce's friends know is true. We will never understand the extent of control this person has over Joyce, but suffice to say that I want no part of her or her antics.
I went over to Joyce's last night to prepare dinner, and asked her if her friend had been over, to which she responded, "no," I knew this was not true because it was obvious to me that she had been over, and had placed some food in the refrigerator that I know Joyce will not eat and I will throw away in a couple of days. I also noticed that on the note that I leave Joyce every evening telling her what the next day is and things of that nature, that the sentence I had added, "please try to find the gold ring with the mermaids and stone" had been crossed out and Joyce had written, "I gave it to so and so." The page had been turned over, something that Joyce never does, which made it even more obvious to me that her "friend" had been over earlier in the day. I suggested to Joyce that she get a "guest book" so that people who do come over can essentially "sign in" and then Joyce will know who came over on any particular day. Normally I would purchase something like this for Joyce, but I will not, at least not today.
I have expended too much of myself and money into ensuring that Joyce has everything she needs to live as comfortably as possible during this time. I have overlooked my own needs and as a result am feeling worse than I have in a very long time, financially, physically and emotionally. Naturally, I cried most of the afternoon before I went over to see Joyce, and even cried while I was there, trying to explain that I was going to have to take things more slowly, and that I would not be spending my birthday with her as planned, and that I will never understand why suddenly her friend is at the top of her totem pole. I tried again to explain the nature of my disease, and that there is no cure for me. Whether or not she understands this is up to God at this point. No, I am not religious, nor is Joyce. But we use the word "God" to mean some all encompassing being that may be "in control" for lack of a better word.
Joyce's friend knows that I am suffering from an incurable medical condition. Her friend is a sociopath, and I say this because I lived with one for ten years and the signs are in front of my face, which is why I left my relationship in the first place, although it took me 10 years to do so. Her friend is a master manipulator, a pathological liar and then some. Having been involved with someone like this in my past, I do not want to have anything more to do with her or her antics which actually made me feel as though I were back in my relationship with the sociopath. The towel incident is a perfect example. I had given Joyce a set of expensive towels, which she loved. Some months went by and suddenly the towels were folded and placed on a table in Joyce's living room with a note for me to take them home because they were too "rough." They were rough because I had dried them in the sun, knowing, as Joyce did, that they would soften after their first use. Her friend was present when I explained this, and then offered to buy Joyce a different set of towels that I had recently seen at a high end resale shop. Her friend yelled at me to stop buying things for Joyce, and that she had already given Joyce some towels. She said she had given Joyce some towels to replace the ones I had given to her. I later looked in the linen closet and laughed because the towels were so old that they could not be properly folded. As I type this, I realize it is beginning to read like a manifesto, but I will get to the point. When the "friend" went to leave, I asked if I could walk her to her car, and she responded with an outstretched arm, saying, "STOP!" I could not help noticing that she was carrying a large bundle. Later she texted me that she would be dropping off some things for Joyce, to which I responded, "please remember to return the towels" because after she left, the towels were gone. She responded, "have you looked in the laundry basket?" It was at this point that I sent her the "threatening" message that if one more thing went missing from Joyce, I would file a police report. These antics are typical of someone with a serious personality disorder, which I want no part of. In fact, a few nights ago I ordered a background check on this person and discovered that she cares for many elderly women, has an AKA etc.
There are many who prey on those who may be "less than" and I say this not out of judgment, but rather mean people who are unable to think for themselves. As you know, taking care of someone with dementia can turn into having to think for two people, and this in itself is tasking/taxing. My sister has the same problem with her husband of 53 years. When I told my sister that Joyce had now reached the point where she is becoming "mean" my sister told me that if my brother in law becomes mean, she will place him in the memory care facility as she had planned to do the first of the year until her children talked her out of it. I do not do "mean" well, as I am too sensitive, and even though I know intellectually that Joyce is not the same Joyce who was always like a gentle lamb, I cannot tolerate what feels like emotional abuse. I don't have to tolerate it and I won't.
I feel sorry for those like you who are married to someone with dementia, like my sister. I do not know how you find the strength each day to face the unknown, the craziness and the loss of someone you have loved and lived with for a very long time. If you were standing beside me, I would give you a giant bear hug, or a "cub hug" because I only weigh 95 pounds. I look forward to hearing from you again, and I thank you for reaching out to me. I feel better already.

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Hello @frances007, you have been through so much and been such a good friend. to Joyce. Now is the time, as you expressed it so well, to attend to what you need to make what lies ahead for you easier.
As I read about Joyce's "friend", I wondered if there is a local Office of Aging or social work agency you could at least alert to what is going on.
My husband has moderate Alzheimer's Disease and depends on me for everything. He has a sweet disposition for which I am grateful. He could easily be taken advantage of by an unscrupulous person.
Best to you, Teri

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@larryg333

@frances007 and all here -- Only someone who has had or dealt with a sociopath in their life can fully understand the toxicity, unending stress, drama and destruction that they can wreak in a relationship. (Have one in our family.) The ongoing manipulation, lying, false excuses, gaslighting, insults, emotional abuse, and even potential physical abuse can be overwhelming. These people really care for no one but themselves, and will do just about ANYTHING to get what they want from others.

Best Advice to Anyone Out There: Get away and stay away, and don't look back. Share nothing personal with them... they'll only use it as a tool to further weaken you. Only keep positive people / things in your life... throw away all the negative ones.

/LarryG

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You are so right, larryg.

As hard as it may seem, it's best to get far. far away from a sociopath. The short-term hurt is nothing compared to the long-term damage that a sociopath can inflict!

(Don't ask me how I know.)

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You say, "In the mist of confusion Love is the only compass".

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@scottrl

You are so right, larryg.

As hard as it may seem, it's best to get far. far away from a sociopath. The short-term hurt is nothing compared to the long-term damage that a sociopath can inflict!

(Don't ask me how I know.)

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in reply to @scottrl Thank you. I "know" as well, which is why I simply want to flee, just like I did over ten years ago. Best

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@tsc

Hello @frances007, you have been through so much and been such a good friend. to Joyce. Now is the time, as you expressed it so well, to attend to what you need to make what lies ahead for you easier.
As I read about Joyce's "friend", I wondered if there is a local Office of Aging or social work agency you could at least alert to what is going on.
My husband has moderate Alzheimer's Disease and depends on me for everything. He has a sweet disposition for which I am grateful. He could easily be taken advantage of by an unscrupulous person.
Best to you, Teri

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in reply to @tsc Thank you. I have notified her doctor and her bank to alert them to Joyce's cognitive decline etc., and I copied her POA on both letters. The doctor's office left me a message today suggesting that I arrange a video visit for my friend, which I will do in the near future. It will not be easy, but I am determined to do my due diligence before I start walking backwards. I saw her this evening, having stayed home yesterday for the first time since my dog died in March 2022. I can't even describe how much better I felt, although I probably cried enough tears to fill a small lake, and cried again when I came home this evening. See, my birthday is coming up, Carole King was singing that Happy Birthday song on YouTube, and I was remembering what it felt like in the past to spend my birthday with my best friend, who no longer remembers the rich and loving friendship we have shared over the past ten plus years.
Having said this, I know I have made the right decision to step back, especially while her toxic friend tries to take over. It is very clear that this woman is doing everything in her power to come between us, and while I am not a quitter by nature, I don't want to use up what 02 I have left in an effort to make things "right." I am so sorry.

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@katrina123

frances,
I understand how you must feel but please try to not take it personally. That is something that I am working on too. I have been married for over 50 years and there are times when my husband thinks I am someone else. He is losing memory of all the wonderful things that we have done in our life as well as not remembering serious things we have dealt with. Yesterday I said it has been almost 4 years since I had breast cancer surgery and he said that he didn't know that I had had surgery & 4 weeks of radiation.
Please understand that your friend has a brain disease and it doesn't take away all of the wonderful years of your friendship. I am trying to come to terms with the fact that my husband in many ways is not the same person anymore and possibly it is the same with your friend.
I would like to hear what others have to say about coping. Seriously, this is the most heartbreaking thing I have ever had to live through so I understand how you must feel.
I am just trying to make it one day at a time.

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You and I seem to be in the same place…. I relate to everything that you said. My heart hurts and when he doesn’t know me I feel like it’s a punch in my gut. Yet, each time it occurs, i know I have to get stronger.

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