- important information about statins -

Posted by .harp player @amberpep, Aug 10, 2020

Just a bit of information I discovered last week. One of the side effects of taking “simvistatin” is temporary memory loss. It is the only statin that has this effect. I am going to talk to my .doctor about stopping it, with his guidance of course. I have had some short lapses in memory …. forgetting part of my phone number, etc.
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@gator123

How much Creator do you take and how long did it take for your number to go down

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@gator123– Hello. Are you asking @tim1028 about Crestor? Are you taking Crestor?

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@gator123

How much Creator do you take and how long did it take for your number to go down

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I take 5 mg. My LDL level was in the 90s before I started Crestor (rosuvastatin). It was lowered to 60 within a couple of months. I haven't had it checked lately,but it should be about 60, a 30% drop. The important thing for me is that I have improved ALL the lifestyle factors that contribute to heart health. Diet, exercise,stress, etc. Many people who take a statin don't follow up with changes in lifestyle, in which case, according to Mayo cardiologist Dr Stephen Kopecky, the statin isn't helping.

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Hi: I have a question, my Cardiologist had me start taking a vasodilator to relax the blood vessels and allow better flow. As well as a newer Zitia which is supposed to block the absorption cholesterol by the stomach. My numbers are good 135 but he says that I have too much small particle LDL in my blood. Wondering if anyone else has used either of these med?

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@grandmajan– Good morning. Yes, I have used Zita, and its done nothing for me. I hope that your situation is different and that it dows for you.

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I've scheduled blood work in 2 weeks, so we'll see. My Cholesterol numbers are pretty good. Triglycerides _ 72, HDL 48, LDL 72, tot. 137. But my LDL-P is 1136. I do seem to have more energy and feel better since I started the vasodilator (Isosorbide Dinitrate. I will let you know if the blood work improves. Thanks for listening.

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Follow up, I took Zita for 7 days. On Day 5 my hips and lower back began to ache. Next they got stiff and didn't want to function. I stopped it. Last Cholesterol lowering medication I'm trying. I had tried Crestor before and had the same kind of outcome but in my neck and shoulders. So it's Oatmeal and Celery for me. Had a metabolic panel done yesterday. We'll see what the numbers are later.

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@grandmajan

Follow up, I took Zita for 7 days. On Day 5 my hips and lower back began to ache. Next they got stiff and didn't want to function. I stopped it. Last Cholesterol lowering medication I'm trying. I had tried Crestor before and had the same kind of outcome but in my neck and shoulders. So it's Oatmeal and Celery for me. Had a metabolic panel done yesterday. We'll see what the numbers are later.

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@grandmajan– This surprises me because Zita works in the stomach. Perhaps something else might be going on? I feel some achiness with Crestor but I also have some arthritis.

Most of the side effects of Zita happen in your digestive system.
https://www.drugs.com/sfx/zetia-side-effects.html
Do you have any of these symptoms too?

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@tim1028

I take 5 mg. My LDL level was in the 90s before I started Crestor (rosuvastatin). It was lowered to 60 within a couple of months. I haven't had it checked lately,but it should be about 60, a 30% drop. The important thing for me is that I have improved ALL the lifestyle factors that contribute to heart health. Diet, exercise,stress, etc. Many people who take a statin don't follow up with changes in lifestyle, in which case, according to Mayo cardiologist Dr Stephen Kopecky, the statin isn't helping.

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Tim, it pains me to read of persons with elevated cholesterol relying on a med to do what practically everyone* can do by adopting a largely low-fat, whole-food, plant-based diet. Side-step all the downside of statins while moving one's way-of-eating closer to the diet to which we're ideally adapted by our evolutionary history. *According to William C. Roberts, M.D., (American College of Cardiologists) the exceptions are people who have "familial" hyperlipidemia. Works for me; my lipid numbers are well below the reference range. And there's a bonus, "plant-based" avoids the environmental damage rendered by raising animals to eat and, in the wink of an eye, and one is no longer engaging the morally dubious practice of supporting the needless killing sentient creatures to eat for no better reason than they taste good. Don

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@merpreb

@amberpep– My sister and I use to take Lipitor and we both had what appeared to memory loss. After we stopped it and went on to something else that loss returned. It's not permanent.
Where did you find the information that you stated?

Here is up to date information on Statins.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/statin-side-effects/art-20046013

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@merpreb, Just found this new discussion and appreciate what you wrote and the link you provided. @johnbishop had posted two links on the effects of statins and peripheral neuropathy. This link adds more reason for me to have a “statin discussion” with my doc at my next annual exam because I’ve taken Lipitor in the past and now take Atorvastin for cholesterol.

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@thumperguy

Tim, it pains me to read of persons with elevated cholesterol relying on a med to do what practically everyone* can do by adopting a largely low-fat, whole-food, plant-based diet. Side-step all the downside of statins while moving one's way-of-eating closer to the diet to which we're ideally adapted by our evolutionary history. *According to William C. Roberts, M.D., (American College of Cardiologists) the exceptions are people who have "familial" hyperlipidemia. Works for me; my lipid numbers are well below the reference range. And there's a bonus, "plant-based" avoids the environmental damage rendered by raising animals to eat and, in the wink of an eye, and one is no longer engaging the morally dubious practice of supporting the needless killing sentient creatures to eat for no better reason than they taste good. Don

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@thrushsong – Good morning. I have what is called FH, Familial hypercholesterolemia is an inherited defect in how my body recycles LDL (bad) cholesterol. As a consequence, LDL levels in the blood remain very high – in untreated adults, above 190 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL) of blood. Until I tried Crestor for the 4th time my numbers were off the charts no matter my diet, exercise…

I know that you mentioned this is your post. I'd like to stay with lipid number and FH. The advantage that I see in taking Crestor now is that my total score has come down from a bit over 300 to 215, and that's just over a month of taking it. A very low in take of meat is recommended but it doesn't have to be eliminated entirely. Exercise is a big factor in trying to lower your numbers.

Do you exercise a lot?

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@bijouxb

I was put on Atorvastatin, and in less than 2 months I developed: (a) TERRIBLE muscle pain in both feet and legs; (b) partial tears in both my tibial tendon and plantar fascia; (c) sudden onset of Stage II CKD; (d) Pre-Diabetes; and (e) brain fog from hell. Statins almost killed me. And now, I am being told that "if I do not take statins, I risk death" because my cholesterol is NOT good. So I am being told to pick between one hideous disease that might kill me, or the absolutely certainty of Kidney Failure and Diabetes – that will also kill me, but not before it turns me into a Dialysis patient, and THEN kills me.

This is 2020. There have to be alternatives to the type of medical care that says "We'll fix (sort of) this problem, but the cure will kill you" type of scenario I am facing. Or put another way: right now, I have one hideous disease that might kill me. If I take Statins, I'll have three hideous diseases that will kill me. Because they don't "cure" heart disease. They just slow it down. Supposedly. And I have also read that there is little evidence of an increased life span from statin medication. Especially for women. The Statin Pharma Lobby is a really powerful organization. Biggest moneymaker in history. And that is fact.

By the way, my cholesterol was perfectly normal. Then I hit Menopause and Holy Mother of God. And I have discovered – the hard way – that the medications doctors are fond of giving to anxious patients (especially women) cause my cholesterol to surge even higher. Prozac was a biggie. 100 points. In less than a month of usage. I stopped the Prozac and that 100 point increase disappeared. I have since watched my numbers from BEFORE cholesterol was a problem to now. I have also been able to see what triggers spikes in cholesterol AND the sudden onset of potentially debilitating disease of other organs. I stopped taking Atorvastatin because I was practically crippled in less than 2 months. My "out-nowhere" Kidney Disease disappeared, as did my Pre-Diabetes. Not so lucky with the muscle pain, but it is getting better. I'll never be a power-walker ever again, however. My days of hiking are over. And it hurts to lose function like that. Not being able to really exercise is just as hard on a person's heart as the dreaded "Cholesterol" debate. I still wonder how a substances that is essential to healing the body (Cholesterol) has been so demonized. Isn't it inflammation to blood vessels that Cholesterol is generated to try and repair damaged arteries? Input from cardiologists without skin in the game would be really helpful.

What are patients like myself supposed to do? It would appear that we are damned if we do, and damned if we don't. I live with someone who has End Stage Renal Disease and has to endure the rigors of dialysis thrice weekly, and I will NEVER allow that to happen to me on purpose. It is a living hell. You never "get used to it" and your life, plans and EVERYTHING that matters(ed) to you take a back seat. And being told these are my only options are not sitting well with me.

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@bijouxb, While I am taking Atorvastatin and haven't experienced the dreadful side effects you wrote about, I do sincerely empathize with the dilemma you share about finding yourself between a rock and a hard place on which meds to take and which to stop. For those of us with multiple serious chronic health issues, it becomes confusing, frustrating and difficult to know which paths to follow for the best outcomes in treatment.

The more prescribed meds we add to our daily arsenals, the more risks we may take in experiencing side effects from one or more. It becomes more mind boggling when we see multiple specialists intent on their one condition. For many of us, there isn't the coordination among docs about an individual's health and with very little time with each doc for the patient, it becomes a challenge to get asked and answered the "top of the list of concerns" we are having.

Multiple health issues have certainly changed my daily life as well but I am grateful for the medical advances made and glad to "still be here". I can't do all that I once could do but I choose to focus on what I still can. Whether it is lungs, bones, kidney, diabetes, stroke or something out of the blue, I want to keep working to maintain the best health I can for as long as I can. Best to you and others who share this complicated journey.

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@merpreb

@thrushsong – Good morning. I have what is called FH, Familial hypercholesterolemia is an inherited defect in how my body recycles LDL (bad) cholesterol. As a consequence, LDL levels in the blood remain very high – in untreated adults, above 190 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL) of blood. Until I tried Crestor for the 4th time my numbers were off the charts no matter my diet, exercise…

I know that you mentioned this is your post. I'd like to stay with lipid number and FH. The advantage that I see in taking Crestor now is that my total score has come down from a bit over 300 to 215, and that's just over a month of taking it. A very low in take of meat is recommended but it doesn't have to be eliminated entirely. Exercise is a big factor in trying to lower your numbers.

Do you exercise a lot?

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Aha! yes Merry, "Familial hypercholesterolemia." That's the mouthful word I didn't remember correctly, calling it "Familial hyperlipidemia.

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