I'm a human puzzle looking for answers

Posted by fedupintexas @fedupintexas, Jul 10 7:33pm

Hi, I'm Jera from Cleveland , TX & new to this forum. I'm 46 yrs old and have suffered for the last 7 years with no definitive diagnosis for all my crazy symptoms. I was given a diagnosis of fibromyalgia about 6 yrs ago. Intense all over body aches and pains, headaches, extreme fatigue, muscle weakness & loss of strength, major weight gain (I was 115 when I met my husband 8 yrs ago I'm now 150) which brings with it depression, anxiety, mood swings, etc. I used to work side by side next to my husband at our handyman service. I was strong, energetic, and fun! Now I barely leave our house. I hurt everyday. I was convinced I had MS but MRIs say otherwise. I've had the classic blood tests they order for autoimmune 6 times over the years and they have always been negative until about 4 months ago. My PCP ordered another round of labs and I showed positive ANA (no titer was given that I can see on my results) and I was barely positive for RNP (1.1). I scheduled with yet another rheumatologist and she ordered even more labs. This time my ANA was negative but still RNP positive (1.1) So as usual, I was dismissed and told to go see a dermatologist!? In the last year or so I've developed new symptoms that can't be ignored. Skin redness & discoloration, swollen puffy hands, red patches on my wrist & tops of my thighs like a severe sunburn, sun sensitivity and hive like rashes on my neck, chest and face when in the sun for even a moment, Reynauds. Heat flashes out of the blue, cold sweats, chills, heat intolerance..the list goes on & on. On my own, I research everything! MCTD is what I am convinced I'm dealing with. I know it's a difficult road when dealing with any AI condition. I am beyond frustrated that every single symptom I have all point to "something isn't right!" But I can't seem to get a diagnosis so I know what I'm facing in the next few years. If anyone can relate please share some insight. I'm so fed up with DR's!! Thank y'all!

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Profile picture for loriesco @loriesco

Sounds like me when I was 48. I am 69 now. Like others have said UMUST be your own advocate. What I found out coincidentally was multifold at the time. I had an undiagnosed viral infection called hepatitis C. The doctors did not find it. The blood bank did. I went to the doctor three times a week for inflammatory type symptoms. At the same time I ended up going through menopause early, which sounds like some of your symptoms. The two were entirely unconnected on top of that I ended up with gout flares, which was entirely unattended to, even after I went to the hospital for the gout flares to be treated. In addition, I was hypo and hyperglycemic, which also presented problems. All my conditions were unrelated to each other, and it made it difficult to not only diagnose my main complaints, but treat my severe inflammatory conditions, weakness, and fatigue. The gout was only formally diagnosed two years ago and it was a fluke because someone here mentioned a supplement that I tried because I was always in pain. Turns out all the arthritis doctors I see at UCSD were all wrong. My x-rays showed severe osteoarthritis, so that’s all they looked at. Turns out my pain was coming from the undiagnosed gout. Currently I am dealing with my blood glucose being out of whack. Because they’ve neglected to deal with that over the last 20 years, I will place money. I’ve probably skipped the pre-diabetic phase and I’m in the diabetic phase. I am saying all this because you just keep on plugging away. The doctors don’t do a good job of giving you enough time. I just went to a doctor a couple weeks ago for anemia, which has been a lifetime problem and he says that I don’t have anemia. It’s possibly internal bleeding that may be related to a cancer. I have to repeat tests. I did seven years ago that are difficult to accomplish like colonoscopy and endoscopy. I probably won’t do that. He’s a very fine doctor, but he’s going down a narrow rabbit hole, and I have other more important things to attend to like the blood sugar. You have to do your own research, you have to keep pushing and you have to try and avoid damaging solutions to your body. On top of all that you have to keep searching out better doctors. A doctor may be good in one field, but maybe you don’t present clearly and then that Dr. isn’t really good. I found that women tend to be better than men because they are lateral instead of linear thinkers in medicine. Men are better at going down linear paths whereas women are open to lateral ideas. That’s my experience.
In the meantime, what I suggest is finding a good hormone specialist to check that your hormones are balanced, finding a good acupuncturist for acupuncture school that can relieve your symptoms, finding a good holistic Doctor Who will look at supplements as opposed to medicine, checking your diet for lactose or gluten intolerance (I ended up with both and eliminating them from my diet was a big win for my health) . Go easy on yourself and know that this all takes time. I never really bought the fibermyalgia diagnosis I received in 2004. If I had, it would’ve shut me out of resolving various problems that were all lumped under fibromyalgia. For me, I found that it’s crucial that I have HEME iron supplement. That alleviated some issues and got me the iron I needed in a way that it was bioavailable. That had to be in conjunction with B12. My body was not digesting the food. It ate well because I ruined my intestines by not knowing I was lactose intolerant for my whole life. A lot of my answers came by, looking at my ancestors and their diseases and what they incurred as they aged. It makes sense that all this is happening to you at a time where you are in a major life change about app approaching some stage of menopause. Make sure you know what stage you are in. When I showed up at the specialist at 47 and she took the labs she said you’re not entering menopause you’re done.. Sorry for the length but suffice to say that we’ve gotta pay attention to our bodies because nobody else will as well.

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@loriesco Thank you so much! I too had my hormones checked about 3 yrs ago and I was POST menopause! I had a partial hysterectomy in 2008 but still have my ovaries..so assumed I would go thru menopause normally! HA nothing goes "normally" for me! What ever normal is? And yes I agree I have learned to keep a diary of how I feel each day and possible triggers. If I don't I can't remember what to tell the Docs bc if I'm not experiencing said pain at time of visit it's hard for me to think of mentioning it. I have had to be my own advocate and I read and research everything that I deal with to be better educated. At times I feel i know more than a few of these I've seen who have a degree. I keep the faith that I will find the right doctor, eventually. Thank you so much for sharing your experience with me. It means a lot.

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This is what I was able to find...
ANA fluctuation is real and doesn't rule anything out. ANA titers can shift with disease activity, timing of the blood draw, medications, and even lab methodology (different labs use different substrates/cutoffs). A negative ANA on one draw after a positive one doesn't erase the earlier positive — it's not uncommon in early or evolving autoimmune disease, especially connective tissue diseases, to see this kind of bounce.
Low-positive RNP appearing consistently across two different lab draws is not nothing, even at 1.1 (just over most labs' cutoff). Anti-RNP is associated with mixed connective tissue disease (MCTD), lupus, and overlap syndromes — and MCTD in particular classically presents with exactly what you're describing: Raynaud's, puffy/swollen hands, and photosensitive skin involvement. A weak positive can still be clinically meaningful, particularly when the clinical picture fits this well.
Being told to "just see a dermatologist" isn't necessarily wrong, but it shouldn't be instead of continued rheumatology follow-up — it should be in addition. A dermatologist can do a skin biopsy of an active rash, which is one of the more useful diagnostic tools here, especially for things like subacute cutaneous lupus or dermatomyositis, and that biopsy result can actually strengthen your case with rheumatology rather than replace it.

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@kjoed53 Thank you! I did see a dermatologist and he didn't feel that anything was "extreme" enough to be given a definite diagnosis. He agreed that auto immune is most definitely the culprit..which one? he couldnt or wouldnt say for sure. He also confirmed everything Ive read about a diagnosis taking a long time to come about. I definitely research everything I can about why my body is going nuts. I really appreciate your feedback! Thank you

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Profile picture for tuckerp @tuckerp

I would try a different specialist as has been suggested. I had an orthopedic Dr tell me one time that dont let them call it fibromyalgia thats what they stick on you when they cant figure it out. For those that suffer sorry. I know it can be real. It sounds like an inflammation. Then as my body does it starts producing histamine. Everything then becomes a mess. My skin, my gut, my allergies, fatigue. Mine turned out to be PMR. You dont say if they prescribed you any medications. Prednisone can really mess you up. Keep after it but realize that you will have to be your own advocate. Dr prefer to give you something. Could be something as simple as a food allergy.

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@tuckerp thank you! Yes I feel the same about the fibro diagnosis. In no way am I saying it's not real, i just feel that my Dr at the time didn't know what else to call it. So she stuck a label on me for the time being, instead of helping me find answers. I do see a different PCP now and I love him, he is on top of his stuff and seems genuinely concerned in helping me get to the bottom of it. It just requires patience and that is something I lack. But I'm learning to trust my instincts about my body and I won't stop til I get to the bottom of all this. Thank you so much for your feedback I really do appreciate it

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Profile picture for fairn @fairn

I'm sorry to hear your struggle to find answers. If you haven't had a CCP test, Early Sjogren's Panel, or a comprehensive work up for Hashimotos, those can sometimes catch things if you're seronegative for Sjogren's, RA, etc. on 'standard' tests.

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@fairn thank you! I will make sure to mention that to my Dr I may have had labs for those already, I will have to check back on my results. I have been checked for a ton of different ones but I think I need to have labs drawn on like a regular basis in order to catch this thing at just the right time. Thank you so much for your feedback

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Profile picture for tuckerp @tuckerp

I would try a different specialist as has been suggested. I had an orthopedic Dr tell me one time that dont let them call it fibromyalgia thats what they stick on you when they cant figure it out. For those that suffer sorry. I know it can be real. It sounds like an inflammation. Then as my body does it starts producing histamine. Everything then becomes a mess. My skin, my gut, my allergies, fatigue. Mine turned out to be PMR. You dont say if they prescribed you any medications. Prednisone can really mess you up. Keep after it but realize that you will have to be your own advocate. Dr prefer to give you something. Could be something as simple as a food allergy.

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@tuckerp thank you, regarding Rx's I'm on gabapentin, losartan & Tylenol 4 (with codeine). The gabapentin just makes my brain fog and dizziness worse, but I try to still take it in case it is helping my pain more than I realize. I think I failed to mention all the neurological issues I have as well..balance issues and dizziness, I can't remember things that just happened days ago or conversations that my husband swears we had and I have no recollection of it, days where I struggle to find the right words or can't focus on anything to save my life. I used to be so efficient and could multi task..now I find it difficult to focus on just one thing! It's like my brain feels fuzzy. If that's makes sense. I also have days where my vision is blurry and I can't focus my eyes..like a film over my eyes. Then in just a day or two it's back to normal. I'm rambling now..sorry.
Losartan for high BP and the Tylenol 4 is obviously for pain. But my stomach has gotten so bad some days it will feel like it's on fire. I never take more than 1 at a time and no more than 2-3 a day. Some days my digestive system is wacky. Will have horrible acid reflux/heart burn, nausea..etc. I'm so sorry at this present moment I am feeling all over the place I think I'm just getting a little overwhelmed. I feel like I'm just rambling on and on. But thank you so much for your feedback

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Profile picture for pm56 @pm56

Have you had a myomarker panel? The rash on the chest may be a “shawl sign” which coupled with the muscle weakness may indicate some form of myositis overlap syndrome. It’s often connected to Raynaud’s.

I have dermatomyositis that started out with all over muscle pain, on and off positive ANA, one positive RNP, and then came the muscle weakness and rash on the chest.

My rheumatologist kept throwing a myomarker into my labs and I probably did 7 or 8 that came back negative before I started to test positive. Just a thought. Good luck!

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@pm56 thank you! I believe I have but will double check. I also have researched dermatomyositis and a lot of that fits. So many different ones I seem to have a little from each. That's why I feel so positive about Mixed Connective Tissue Disease (MCTD). Thank you for your feedback I appreciate it

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@loriesco Thank you so much! I too had my hormones checked about 3 yrs ago and I was POST menopause! I had a partial hysterectomy in 2008 but still have my ovaries..so assumed I would go thru menopause normally! HA nothing goes "normally" for me! What ever normal is? And yes I agree I have learned to keep a diary of how I feel each day and possible triggers. If I don't I can't remember what to tell the Docs bc if I'm not experiencing said pain at time of visit it's hard for me to think of mentioning it. I have had to be my own advocate and I read and research everything that I deal with to be better educated. At times I feel i know more than a few of these I've seen who have a degree. I keep the faith that I will find the right doctor, eventually. Thank you so much for sharing your experience with me. It means a lot.

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@fedupintexas i’m so glad you find all this helpful but you will get a gazillion opinions and that could be overwhelming as well. I wanted to mention that I went on bioidentical hormone replacement for 10 years and at that time you had to stop. My bones are now fragile and I don’t know if it’s genetics or if it was the fact I went into menopause so early but before warned. Getting on bioidentical hormone replacement might help in a whole array of the symptoms. You’re having all the skin things possibly. My skin went wacko. I took a 10 year break from the BHRT and then I went back to it a couple years ago. The research has changed. I have to remember sometimes that the medical stuff can be all consuming and that it pins on my otherwise decent quality of life at 69 years old. Balance is the answer. Keeping an open mind having goals and faith readjusting as you go along.💗

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@kjoed53 Thank you! I did see a dermatologist and he didn't feel that anything was "extreme" enough to be given a definite diagnosis. He agreed that auto immune is most definitely the culprit..which one? he couldnt or wouldnt say for sure. He also confirmed everything Ive read about a diagnosis taking a long time to come about. I definitely research everything I can about why my body is going nuts. I really appreciate your feedback! Thank you

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@fedupintexas
There's instances where an autoimmune disorder does not show classic symptoms and does not show up in the blood work. A PET scan or MRI may show something that would be missed otherwise. Did the dermatologist recommend a trial of prednisone to see if it relieved any of the symptoms?

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Profile picture for seniormed @seniormed

Document the rash flares with some photos.
If the rash is lasting for any length of time you should ask about a skin biopsy. When the problem is complex you may consider traveling to a multi specialty clinic or dermatology program at a university for help.
Did the doctors order any muscle enzyme tests?
Sunscreen in the meantime.

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@seniormed thank you! Yes I regularly take photos of my skin issues so at my visits I can show proof of what I'm experiencing. That's what really lit the fire & prompted my PCP to refer me out to several different specialist. I have a neurologist appt this month and will be taking my diary & photos with me to help me better explain. I'm in the process of getting referral for a different rheumatologist..and at my visit with PCP at end of month I will be asking for routine labs to be drawn how ever often he feels is necessary to watch these markers. Thanks so much for your feedback.

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@fedupintexas
There's instances where an autoimmune disorder does not show classic symptoms and does not show up in the blood work. A PET scan or MRI may show something that would be missed otherwise. Did the dermatologist recommend a trial of prednisone to see if it relieved any of the symptoms?

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@kjoed53 thank you, no he didn't prescribe anything. I have so many MRIs ordered by my Dr but unfortunately I can't afford to get them done as quickly as I'd like.

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