High Coronary Calcium Score: How do others feel emotionally?

Posted by mcphee @mcphee, Dec 14, 2016

I have a calcium score of 1,950 which is extremely high which means I am at a very high risk for a cardiac event,heart attack,stroke or sudden death.

I take a statin and baby aspirin. I have never been sick, have excellent cholesterol, low blood pressure and I am not overweight. I have no other health problems and I have never been sick. But I feel like a walking time bomb which has caused me a lot of stress. I am 70 yrs old.

I wonder how others with this condition feel emotionally?

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@santafepete

I am reporting back in on my 1444 CAC score from December of 2022, and my recent visit to the Cleveland Clinic for clarification of what this means to my health. I am a male, 63-years old, with no current symptoms of cardiovascular disease, but moderately high cholesterol levels as a chaser.

I was unable to get in at Mayo Scottsdale due to patient load, so that is why I went with Cleveland.
I will not mention the name of the doctor I met with, but he is one of the top interventional cardiologists at the Clinic. He had great knowledge, but I did not find him to be very engaging as a human.
The first bit of good news is that he said any score above 400 puts you into the "special" category that has proven out to result in 14% cardiovascular events over the next 10 years. Think about this carefully, as it also means that 86% of us will not have such an event over the next 10 years.
Under 400, but not zero puts you in at about 7%.
He did not recommend any further testing for me at this time since I seem to be exercising well and have no overt symptoms.
He said that even if there was a blockage, a stent would not prevent a heart attack, and he is the guy that goes in and cleans heart arteries out for a living. So there is no need to do preventative stent work, and it in fact might make things higher risk by having a man-made material present in the artery.
I asked him about the 2022 JAMA meta study on statins, and he said that they are still the frontline tool for cardiologists in preventing heart disease. But I ran the math, and it would reduce my absolute 14% risk down to about 9%. For me with Celiac Disease, the risk of using statins does not warrant the slight reduction.
I felt my trip was interesting. First, that the CAC score was a suggestion of poor cardiac health, but when you look at it on an absolute basis, perhaps not that much risk. So as many of you have questioned by your own experience, is the CT Heartscan worth even doing? I am not sure that it is.
Second, there seem to be few good tools for cardiologists to really help with heart health. The argument for statins is getting thinner each year, especially given the side effects felt by many users.
Third, is using a $1K a month injectable going to reduce the risk enough to warrant the cost or is it more important to reduce risk by weight lost, diet and exercise? Nexletol is likely the state of the art anti inflammatory and cholesterol reducing drug at over $700 a month.
For me, Celiac Disease and Sjogrens Syndrome are my primary diseases. My Celiac Disease is well managed through diet, but my gut health will never be normal, and it makes tolerating something like statins virtually impossible. But it is the Sjogrens and its inflammatory nature that likely puts my heart at highest risk. I already gave up red meat completely seven years ago, and it made a considerable difference.
I would have to go with weight reduction and A1C management as my biggest priority for heart health at this point. I think it outweighs the benefits of cholesterol reduction by drugs.
It is still a work in progress, and that is just my general reaction after going to Cleveland. I feel relieved by the news, but not out of the woods on taking action. My overall risk is about 7x higher than the general population of having a cardiovascular event, and I would like to lower that risk. But living in fear does not seem to be warranted at 14% over the next 10-years. We are all going to die from something. I just want to put that off as long as possible and have a quality life in the meantime. Just worrying about a CAC score seems to be more harm than good.
Pete

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Very helpful. I have 3600 cac but very good stress test result.
My internist agreed with me that angiogram wasn't warranted, cardiologist said standard of care was to do nothing more but statin and aspirin, although cardiologist said i should consider angiogram to see if there was a potentially bad area.
I am staying pat for now.
Did Cleveland clinic doc give you any other things you should do?

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@santafepete

I am reporting back in on my 1444 CAC score from December of 2022, and my recent visit to the Cleveland Clinic for clarification of what this means to my health. I am a male, 63-years old, with no current symptoms of cardiovascular disease, but moderately high cholesterol levels as a chaser.

I was unable to get in at Mayo Scottsdale due to patient load, so that is why I went with Cleveland.
I will not mention the name of the doctor I met with, but he is one of the top interventional cardiologists at the Clinic. He had great knowledge, but I did not find him to be very engaging as a human.
The first bit of good news is that he said any score above 400 puts you into the "special" category that has proven out to result in 14% cardiovascular events over the next 10 years. Think about this carefully, as it also means that 86% of us will not have such an event over the next 10 years.
Under 400, but not zero puts you in at about 7%.
He did not recommend any further testing for me at this time since I seem to be exercising well and have no overt symptoms.
He said that even if there was a blockage, a stent would not prevent a heart attack, and he is the guy that goes in and cleans heart arteries out for a living. So there is no need to do preventative stent work, and it in fact might make things higher risk by having a man-made material present in the artery.
I asked him about the 2022 JAMA meta study on statins, and he said that they are still the frontline tool for cardiologists in preventing heart disease. But I ran the math, and it would reduce my absolute 14% risk down to about 9%. For me with Celiac Disease, the risk of using statins does not warrant the slight reduction.
I felt my trip was interesting. First, that the CAC score was a suggestion of poor cardiac health, but when you look at it on an absolute basis, perhaps not that much risk. So as many of you have questioned by your own experience, is the CT Heartscan worth even doing? I am not sure that it is.
Second, there seem to be few good tools for cardiologists to really help with heart health. The argument for statins is getting thinner each year, especially given the side effects felt by many users.
Third, is using a $1K a month injectable going to reduce the risk enough to warrant the cost or is it more important to reduce risk by weight lost, diet and exercise? Nexletol is likely the state of the art anti inflammatory and cholesterol reducing drug at over $700 a month.
For me, Celiac Disease and Sjogrens Syndrome are my primary diseases. My Celiac Disease is well managed through diet, but my gut health will never be normal, and it makes tolerating something like statins virtually impossible. But it is the Sjogrens and its inflammatory nature that likely puts my heart at highest risk. I already gave up red meat completely seven years ago, and it made a considerable difference.
I would have to go with weight reduction and A1C management as my biggest priority for heart health at this point. I think it outweighs the benefits of cholesterol reduction by drugs.
It is still a work in progress, and that is just my general reaction after going to Cleveland. I feel relieved by the news, but not out of the woods on taking action. My overall risk is about 7x higher than the general population of having a cardiovascular event, and I would like to lower that risk. But living in fear does not seem to be warranted at 14% over the next 10-years. We are all going to die from something. I just want to put that off as long as possible and have a quality life in the meantime. Just worrying about a CAC score seems to be more harm than good.
Pete

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Try using a Mega Home distiller. Said to pull calcium out of heart.

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I am reporting back in on my 1444 CAC score from December of 2022, and my recent visit to the Cleveland Clinic for clarification of what this means to my health. I am a male, 63-years old, with no current symptoms of cardiovascular disease, but moderately high cholesterol levels as a chaser.

I was unable to get in at Mayo Scottsdale due to patient load, so that is why I went with Cleveland.
I will not mention the name of the doctor I met with, but he is one of the top interventional cardiologists at the Clinic. He had great knowledge, but I did not find him to be very engaging as a human.
The first bit of good news is that he said any score above 400 puts you into the "special" category that has proven out to result in 14% cardiovascular events over the next 10 years. Think about this carefully, as it also means that 86% of us will not have such an event over the next 10 years.
Under 400, but not zero puts you in at about 7%.
He did not recommend any further testing for me at this time since I seem to be exercising well and have no overt symptoms.
He said that even if there was a blockage, a stent would not prevent a heart attack, and he is the guy that goes in and cleans heart arteries out for a living. So there is no need to do preventative stent work, and it in fact might make things higher risk by having a man-made material present in the artery.
I asked him about the 2022 JAMA meta study on statins, and he said that they are still the frontline tool for cardiologists in preventing heart disease. But I ran the math, and it would reduce my absolute 14% risk down to about 9%. For me with Celiac Disease, the risk of using statins does not warrant the slight reduction.
I felt my trip was interesting. First, that the CAC score was a suggestion of poor cardiac health, but when you look at it on an absolute basis, perhaps not that much risk. So as many of you have questioned by your own experience, is the CT Heartscan worth even doing? I am not sure that it is.
Second, there seem to be few good tools for cardiologists to really help with heart health. The argument for statins is getting thinner each year, especially given the side effects felt by many users.
Third, is using a $1K a month injectable going to reduce the risk enough to warrant the cost or is it more important to reduce risk by weight lost, diet and exercise? Nexletol is likely the state of the art anti inflammatory and cholesterol reducing drug at over $700 a month.
For me, Celiac Disease and Sjogrens Syndrome are my primary diseases. My Celiac Disease is well managed through diet, but my gut health will never be normal, and it makes tolerating something like statins virtually impossible. But it is the Sjogrens and its inflammatory nature that likely puts my heart at highest risk. I already gave up red meat completely seven years ago, and it made a considerable difference.
I would have to go with weight reduction and A1C management as my biggest priority for heart health at this point. I think it outweighs the benefits of cholesterol reduction by drugs.
It is still a work in progress, and that is just my general reaction after going to Cleveland. I feel relieved by the news, but not out of the woods on taking action. My overall risk is about 7x higher than the general population of having a cardiovascular event, and I would like to lower that risk. But living in fear does not seem to be warranted at 14% over the next 10-years. We are all going to die from something. I just want to put that off as long as possible and have a quality life in the meantime. Just worrying about a CAC score seems to be more harm than good.
Pete

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@debwellmadebeh

I am in a similar situation, 60 yr. old female who recently quit smoking. I have always been very active, eat healthy but received a CAC score of 535, highest portion of that is the LAD. I suffer from anxiety and have for years, I was totally shocked by this score as it does not appear we have a family history of CAD by many do have high cholesterol. I am deciding on going the Statin route or the fairly new Nexlatol route. Does anyone have experience with the Nexlatol? I am using every coping mechanism in my arsenal but the slightest heart blip or weird pain throws me into a panic attack. I would love to know the % of people with CAD that have never had a cardiac event and by age group. I am looking for information to help alleviate the “time bomb” feeling. Please share any info that you have. Let’s beat the stress of having CAD!

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Forgot to add STRESS AND ANXIETY are natural feelings when given not so great test results.
The older we get the more our bodies can little break down.
Smoking and drinking alcohol should be a NO NO at any age.

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@debwellmadebeh

I am in a similar situation, 60 yr. old female who recently quit smoking. I have always been very active, eat healthy but received a CAC score of 535, highest portion of that is the LAD. I suffer from anxiety and have for years, I was totally shocked by this score as it does not appear we have a family history of CAD by many do have high cholesterol. I am deciding on going the Statin route or the fairly new Nexlatol route. Does anyone have experience with the Nexlatol? I am using every coping mechanism in my arsenal but the slightest heart blip or weird pain throws me into a panic attack. I would love to know the % of people with CAD that have never had a cardiac event and by age group. I am looking for information to help alleviate the “time bomb” feeling. Please share any info that you have. Let’s beat the stress of having CAD!

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NEXLATOL is dangerous if a person has gout, any kidney problems, severe tendon problems.
Like any medicine research is best done when starting a new medicine.
Doctors do not always have latest information, hopefully a pharmacist does.
Remember medicine is just a chemical.

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I am in a similar situation, 60 yr. old female who recently quit smoking. I have always been very active, eat healthy but received a CAC score of 535, highest portion of that is the LAD. I suffer from anxiety and have for years, I was totally shocked by this score as it does not appear we have a family history of CAD by many do have high cholesterol. I am deciding on going the Statin route or the fairly new Nexlatol route. Does anyone have experience with the Nexlatol? I am using every coping mechanism in my arsenal but the slightest heart blip or weird pain throws me into a panic attack. I would love to know the % of people with CAD that have never had a cardiac event and by age group. I am looking for information to help alleviate the “time bomb” feeling. Please share any info that you have. Let’s beat the stress of having CAD!

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@mayoconnectuser1

May have missed it again - was there a Duke or METS from the stress test?

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No, you didn't miss it. I don't have those numbers for you but the conclusion is: 1)Evidence of mild stress-induced ischemia along the distal left anterior descending and right coronary artery territory. 2)No evidence of infarction (obstruction of blood to organ) 3)Normal left ventricular function and regional wall motion.
It is the imaging that demonstrates blockage. Is like having a nice car but if you don't look under the hood you will never know. These tests are not 100% accurate. My CAC is high. My father had bypass surgery at the age of 58. What is genetics for one it is not for others.

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@alaskat

Hi, correct. Cardiologist suggests that to find out with 100% assurance what amount of blockage I have is best to go for an angiogram. He has seen on the images a dark spot (blockage). If angiogram does not reveal blockage over 70% then I go home. Hoping for that.

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May have missed it again - was there a Duke or METS from the stress test?

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@mayoconnectuser1

alaskat,

I may be mixing threads ... did you get a Duke Score or a METS number from your stress test?

Was this a "stress test with echo?"

I may be confused, but you note the cardiologist wants you to be catheterized? Normally this occurs only with other symptoms noted - like chest tightness, breathing issues, etc.

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Hi, correct. Cardiologist suggests that to find out with 100% assurance what amount of blockage I have is best to go for an angiogram. He has seen on the images a dark spot (blockage). If angiogram does not reveal blockage over 70% then I go home. Hoping for that.

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@bigbern

Hi Seaera and jimk849. So I had a cac score of 693 last year no symptoms I’m 60 great , well good shape, cardiologist put me on 80 mg statins and baby aspirin. Everything I read that’s not great so this year I decide to get another cac scan to see if statins work amd it was 1139. What? Freaked out went to another cardiologists at well known hosp he told me won’t do a catch says too risky and that the therapy I’m on is what I should trust. Unless I go on a run , usually run 3 every other day, and feel different than I’ve ever felt then come in to hosp. My question to him was isn’t it odd that my cac went up over 60% in a year while in stats maxed out ? I’m uneasy wondering if something else makes calcium so high . Also my thyroid is fine cholesterol is 70/41. Good luck to all I mean it! Best, B.

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My understanding is that your calcium score will go up, probably after statins.
Statin therapy modestly accelerates calcification of plaques leading to more stable, lower-risk compositions and sometimes an acceleration of Agatston CAC score progression.

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