Heart Problems, Cardiac Symptoms, But Test Results Normal

Posted by deepakkumar @deepakkumar, Apr 11, 2019

m heart rate had go to very fast last night at 3.00 am about 120 to 130 per minutes, when i change position and go to outdoor slowly and return to bedroom, it become normal and I sleep again. Again when i weak up in morning, again heart rate is about 110 to 120. This type of happen three times in 5 months . I tested for ECG, EcoCG,EEG, Ions, CBC,BP and DC. all are normal. Also sometime when i am in standing or sitting, a sudden cardiac arrest type of event occur and I have faint, sweeting.

I had 3 episodes of what felt like breath being taken away in my chest and then thought I was going to pass out. It lasted about 10 seconds and all went away. These 3 episodes happened in a 7 week period. On a couple other occasions I felt my heart race and pound for about 6 beats. The dr had me wear a heart monitor for 30 days. I felt like nothing happened while I wore it but the dr told me they caught 3 different episodes of my heart racing to 110 for 6 beats. I then had a calcium score test. Came back at 0 and also a echocardiogram that showed a healthy heart. My dr wants me to take beta blockers. Is this even necessary? I don’t want to be on them but also don’t want those freaky episodes to keep happening.

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Hi Heffert,
I had similar experiences; my heart suddenly racing with skipped beats, losing my breath and feeling like I was going to pass out (lack of oxygen to the brain) and having to take bigger breaths to compensate.The difference is that at worst, I had them every 5 or 6 seconds and at best once or twice a minute.My heart otherwise check out fine. I had a Holter monitor for 48 hours and it malfunctioned because I had too many skipped beats and wild heart racing. The cardiologist told me that he only medicates 1 in 10 people who go to him with skipped beats and racing heart. I was the one in ten. And although your symptoms only occur occasionally, what if you are driving and it happens…and your cardiologist did not put you on beta blockers? You could get into a serious accident…and your cardiologist could be sued. American doctor must be extra cautious and medicate where a Canadian doctor (here) would likely say to go the lifestyle route. (no alcohol, no coffee, get exercise, no stimulants of any kind such as ephedrine (for colds). )
It took me 20 months on beta clockers but I did finally find the cure for my symptoms much to the cardiologist's surprise and maybe you could give it a try yourself…with your doctor's go ahead…and that is aerobic exercise. I went to the gym 6 days out of 7 and my heart became solid and steady and within a month I was off the beta blockers. That was 24 years ago. So if I could cure the most serious case of Atrial Fibrillation the cardiologist had ever seen, your condition which is intermittent, could undoubtedly respond to strengthening your cardiac muscles, too. Let me know if you take that route and if your skipped beats stop and your heart simmers down.

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@heffert

I had 3 episodes of what felt like breath being taken away in my chest and then thought I was going to pass out. It lasted about 10 seconds and all went away. These 3 episodes happened in a 7 week period. On a couple other occasions I felt my heart race and pound for about 6 beats. The dr had me wear a heart monitor for 30 days. I felt like nothing happened while I wore it but the dr told me they caught 3 different episodes of my heart racing to 110 for 6 beats. I then had a calcium score test. Came back at 0 and also a echocardiogram that showed a healthy heart. My dr wants me to take beta blockers. Is this even necessary? I don’t want to be on them but also don’t want those freaky episodes to keep happening.

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@heffert@heffert yes take the betablockers. I am on metoprolol (low dose 12.5mg x2) and it controls the n/s ventricular tachycardia. Or you may prefer bisoprolol as you only need to take it once a day. This is a condition that needs to be treated. Untreated will most likely get worse over time.

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@afrobin

Hi Heffert,
I had similar experiences; my heart suddenly racing with skipped beats, losing my breath and feeling like I was going to pass out (lack of oxygen to the brain) and having to take bigger breaths to compensate.The difference is that at worst, I had them every 5 or 6 seconds and at best once or twice a minute.My heart otherwise check out fine. I had a Holter monitor for 48 hours and it malfunctioned because I had too many skipped beats and wild heart racing. The cardiologist told me that he only medicates 1 in 10 people who go to him with skipped beats and racing heart. I was the one in ten. And although your symptoms only occur occasionally, what if you are driving and it happens…and your cardiologist did not put you on beta blockers? You could get into a serious accident…and your cardiologist could be sued. American doctor must be extra cautious and medicate where a Canadian doctor (here) would likely say to go the lifestyle route. (no alcohol, no coffee, get exercise, no stimulants of any kind such as ephedrine (for colds). )
It took me 20 months on beta clockers but I did finally find the cure for my symptoms much to the cardiologist's surprise and maybe you could give it a try yourself…with your doctor's go ahead…and that is aerobic exercise. I went to the gym 6 days out of 7 and my heart became solid and steady and within a month I was off the beta blockers. That was 24 years ago. So if I could cure the most serious case of Atrial Fibrillation the cardiologist had ever seen, your condition which is intermittent, could undoubtedly respond to strengthening your cardiac muscles, too. Let me know if you take that route and if your skipped beats stop and your heart simmers down.

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It DID happen once while I was driving. It was very scary. I was able to pull over fast enough and I have never fully passed out.

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@sue225

@heffert@heffert yes take the betablockers. I am on metoprolol (low dose 12.5mg x2) and it controls the n/s ventricular tachycardia. Or you may prefer bisoprolol as you only need to take it once a day. This is a condition that needs to be treated. Untreated will most likely get worse over time.

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I’m such a high anxiety person. These drugs scare me. The side effects look horrible. I did read that it could get worse over time. Why is it even happening at all?? I’d like to have an answer to that question. I guess it can’t be answered. When I wore the monitor it happened 3 times and I never felt a thing. I’m only 45 years old. Won’t it be dangerous to be on those meds for years?

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@heffert

I’m such a high anxiety person. These drugs scare me. The side effects look horrible. I did read that it could get worse over time. Why is it even happening at all?? I’d like to have an answer to that question. I guess it can’t be answered. When I wore the monitor it happened 3 times and I never felt a thing. I’m only 45 years old. Won’t it be dangerous to be on those meds for years?

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I have been on a beta blocker 43 yrs. Beta blockers are not dangerous… not sure where you got that info. Don’t listen to anyone but your doctor. Beta blockers have been safely taken by people with arrhythmias for decades. It is a widely prescribed drug for stage fright..actors take it. There are numerous medical conditions that beta blockers are used for, not just cardiac issues. Try it.. you might feel better and won’t have tachycardias that are frightening for all of us. Hope this info helps you.

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I respectfully disagree. I am happy that the meds work well for you, but I have had a number of prescriptions over the years that made me want to go to the emergency room but I managed to last until they wore off and then never took them again. My doctor thinks I should take his suggested meds until my body gets used to them. And be able to drive a car? No, thank you. I am refusing to take the full dose of a medicine now because I can't stay awake during the day and I think I should be able to cook and take care of myself, at the least. My doctor never checks to see how a new prescription is working out so I must be the one who decides yes or no as I am living alone. I am feeling pretty well this fall and managing my diet in good balance. That helps a lot. Dorisena

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My cardiologist had me on the highest dose of beta blocker possible; that is 320 mg of sotacor per day. He warned me that at that dose my heart could STOP!..so he told me to try to reduce the dose. I was alarmed but reducing the dose even by 1/2 of one 80 mg tablet made my heart become totally arrhythmic. So, a high dose of a beta blocker can be dangerous. I was exhausted and felt like an old lady on such a high dose of beta blocker. So I am so glad I decided to push my heart with aerobic exercise and within 4 weeks I got the dose down (always gradually) to zero. And it worked at curing my A-fib.

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@heffert

I’m such a high anxiety person. These drugs scare me. The side effects look horrible. I did read that it could get worse over time. Why is it even happening at all?? I’d like to have an answer to that question. I guess it can’t be answered. When I wore the monitor it happened 3 times and I never felt a thing. I’m only 45 years old. Won’t it be dangerous to be on those meds for years?

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Hi @heffert,

I think most of us would do without meds if given the option – but sometimes they are necessary. I can most certainly see how the emphasis on diet and exercise, and the societal push to "do things naturally,” can convince us about alternatives or not following the doctor’s recommendations – this is especially true for drugs that treat ‘silent’ or asymptomatic conditions like high blood pressure, heart disease.

Here are a few facts about heart disease:
– Heart disease kills 1 in every 4 people in the United States.
– Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women in the United States.
– It is also one of the most preventable.
– Some of the most commonly prescribed medications for heart problems are beta blockers.
https://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm
…and what you should know about beta blockers:
When the heart's arteries become narrowed or weak, the heart compensates by pumping harder and faster. This increases the demand for oxygen and can cause angina, which is chest pain, as well as as high blood pressure or arrhythmia, which is an irregular heartbeat.
Beta blockers slow down the heart to give it a break from working so hard. The heart's squeezing function relaxes a bit, which causes blood pressure to go down, easing pain and helping regulate the heartbeat. Beta blockers also help open up your veins and arteries to improve blood flow. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-pressure/in-depth/beta-blockers/art-20044522

…and detailed information about ventricular tachycardia:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ventricular-tachycardia/symptoms-causes/syc-20355138
I also thought you might wish to view this very interesting article, "Is Any Patient with Chronic Heart Failure Receiving the Right Dose of the Right Beta-Blocker in Primary Care?" https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(19)30311-0/fulltext

@heffert, just as “silent” conditions have no overt symptoms, initially, the consequences of not taking medication may not show up immediately. But by putting your health at risk there can be serious long-term consequences.
Taking medication, as directed by your doctor, is a decision only you can make. Can you talk to your doctor and explain your concerns?

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@kanaazpereira

Hi @heffert,

I think most of us would do without meds if given the option – but sometimes they are necessary. I can most certainly see how the emphasis on diet and exercise, and the societal push to "do things naturally,” can convince us about alternatives or not following the doctor’s recommendations – this is especially true for drugs that treat ‘silent’ or asymptomatic conditions like high blood pressure, heart disease.

Here are a few facts about heart disease:
– Heart disease kills 1 in every 4 people in the United States.
– Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women in the United States.
– It is also one of the most preventable.
– Some of the most commonly prescribed medications for heart problems are beta blockers.
https://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm
…and what you should know about beta blockers:
When the heart's arteries become narrowed or weak, the heart compensates by pumping harder and faster. This increases the demand for oxygen and can cause angina, which is chest pain, as well as as high blood pressure or arrhythmia, which is an irregular heartbeat.
Beta blockers slow down the heart to give it a break from working so hard. The heart's squeezing function relaxes a bit, which causes blood pressure to go down, easing pain and helping regulate the heartbeat. Beta blockers also help open up your veins and arteries to improve blood flow. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-pressure/in-depth/beta-blockers/art-20044522

…and detailed information about ventricular tachycardia:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ventricular-tachycardia/symptoms-causes/syc-20355138
I also thought you might wish to view this very interesting article, "Is Any Patient with Chronic Heart Failure Receiving the Right Dose of the Right Beta-Blocker in Primary Care?" https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(19)30311-0/fulltext

@heffert, just as “silent” conditions have no overt symptoms, initially, the consequences of not taking medication may not show up immediately. But by putting your health at risk there can be serious long-term consequences.
Taking medication, as directed by your doctor, is a decision only you can make. Can you talk to your doctor and explain your concerns?

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I do need more answers from my doctor. I was told my heart is very healthy. No signs of disease etc. So why or how does this happen? And if I leave it will it only cause problems in the future?

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@kanaazpereira

Hi @heffert,

I think most of us would do without meds if given the option – but sometimes they are necessary. I can most certainly see how the emphasis on diet and exercise, and the societal push to "do things naturally,” can convince us about alternatives or not following the doctor’s recommendations – this is especially true for drugs that treat ‘silent’ or asymptomatic conditions like high blood pressure, heart disease.

Here are a few facts about heart disease:
– Heart disease kills 1 in every 4 people in the United States.
– Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women in the United States.
– It is also one of the most preventable.
– Some of the most commonly prescribed medications for heart problems are beta blockers.
https://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm
…and what you should know about beta blockers:
When the heart's arteries become narrowed or weak, the heart compensates by pumping harder and faster. This increases the demand for oxygen and can cause angina, which is chest pain, as well as as high blood pressure or arrhythmia, which is an irregular heartbeat.
Beta blockers slow down the heart to give it a break from working so hard. The heart's squeezing function relaxes a bit, which causes blood pressure to go down, easing pain and helping regulate the heartbeat. Beta blockers also help open up your veins and arteries to improve blood flow. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-pressure/in-depth/beta-blockers/art-20044522

…and detailed information about ventricular tachycardia:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ventricular-tachycardia/symptoms-causes/syc-20355138
I also thought you might wish to view this very interesting article, "Is Any Patient with Chronic Heart Failure Receiving the Right Dose of the Right Beta-Blocker in Primary Care?" https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(19)30311-0/fulltext

@heffert, just as “silent” conditions have no overt symptoms, initially, the consequences of not taking medication may not show up immediately. But by putting your health at risk there can be serious long-term consequences.
Taking medication, as directed by your doctor, is a decision only you can make. Can you talk to your doctor and explain your concerns?

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My son was a volunteer, trained paramedic on the local department before they became a full-time paid department and was available at night for many emergency runs to help people in distress, as well as auto accidents in addition to his regular job in the family business.
He liked serving the community and learned much about responding quickly to frightening health problems before they became serious and debilitating. We both learned much about preventive help to keep our hearts working well, including exercise and medications.
It is a balancing act we take and it is o.k. to be cautious about both our reactions to medications and our personal activity choices.
I am just not ready to sit in a rocker half drugged so I can say I lived longer. Life is a little risky when you are 84 and ambitious.
Plus I am learning to be careful because falling is a big problem at my age that can wreck my body in short order. I also try to learn from the experiences of others which is why I contribute to Mayo Clinic Connect. We should celebrate our successes more often. Dorisena

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@heffert

I do need more answers from my doctor. I was told my heart is very healthy. No signs of disease etc. So why or how does this happen? And if I leave it will it only cause problems in the future?

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If your heart is healthy, after testing, and an echocardiogram, then you could have a deficiency in magnesium and vitamin D which is very common.

If you were having an issue with palpitations or a fib, you may have a hernia pressing on the Vagus nerve.

There are many reasons why people can have heart symptoms, and they’re not be anything wrong with the heart.

I pray you find the answers you seek, and maybe you need to see an integrative functional MD/cardiologist.

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feeling sudden heart jumping in center of chest only for few seconds like 3 to 6 second , occurs at any time and minimum 1 episode in between 1 to 3 month , fear occur at that time. small fatigue also occur. ECG , EcoCG, EEG, Ions, CBC, BP, DC, Thyroid are normal . No family history of heart problems. Still it is undiagnosed. when ever it occur, i try to understand it, but due to insufficient of time of occurrence, i can't able to understand it. what is it ? Also i do regular exercise. and it occurs from 2 years and my age is 21. my height is 170 cm and weight is 50 kg.

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