Anyone have a hard time getting back to normal after ADT?

Posted by lacraig1 @lacraig1, Aug 15 1:54am

I had 3 shots of Lupron and one pill of abiraterone acetate (general Zytiga) to suppress my testosterone. I stopped this, because it was simply too disruptive. Last shot was early December 2025. I still have this disruption. I don't sleep well. I keep waking up, feeling like my hormones are racing around in my body Nap often. I feel lousy much of the day. I'm thinking it's affecting my heart. Want to see an endocrinologist. Anybody else having/had a hard time getting back to normal?

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1.4 cm PRADS 4 lrsion 4+3, righr apex 3+4, left lateral 3+3. I realize there is risk but I do my PSA 3x a year. It is interesting that high doses of testosterone have been shown to kill androgen resistant prostate cancer.

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1.4 cm PRADS 4 lrsion 4+3, righr apex 3+4, left lateral 3+3. I realize there is risk but I do my PSA 3x a year. It is interesting that high doses of testosterone have been shown to kill androgen resistant prostate cancer.

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@narus what's a high dose? I don't know how testosterone works. They inject a dose and that raises the T level? so is this regular high doses of T as a therapy? And how high?

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I fall asleep quickly and then I'll wake up in a few hours. Sometimes I have to get out of bed to reset. But after that, I wake up constantly, often with pain. Sometimes I'll go right back to sleep, other times it's constant movement and somewhere I catch some sleep
I was on ADT (Lupron) 3 months. Third month he added Zytiga (Abiraterone Acetate). One pill, the two together, and I said no more. That was 9 months ago.
You have a device? I'm happy for you. Tell my doctor about it. He should know. I will not do this again.

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@lacraig1
Yes, I would imagine that pain could keep you awake and wake you up. Is this pain due to prostate cancer?

I should’ve asked other people why they have problems sleeping because I bet there’s a variety of answers.

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There is no indicator of prostate cancer . My PSA is undetectable. He did a molecular test that as far as I could tell showed nothing. He says there's something somewhere.
AI says that this kind of pain is typical after radiation in the pelvic area.
But I also get pain in my shoulders too.
I only told AI about the pain in my buttock, or thigh or calf.

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@lacraig1

Unfortunately, you didn’t clearly say that your testosterone was still near zero but it appears that that’s what you meant. You also don’t mention your age with she’s a major factor and testosterone coming back.

After being on it for six months, it took my brother over a year before his hot flashes completely stopped and his testosterone came close to 200..

Here is some information from PCa Commentary about testosterone returning

Examples of the relationship of the duration of ADT exposure to subsequent recovery to their
original T levels after stopping ADT are as follows:
- After 3 - 9 months of ADT nearly all men fully recover by about 10 months;
- After 18 - 24 months of ADT only 60% fully recover by about 3 years; and
- After 36 months of ADT exposure only 50% fully recover by ~ 5 years.
It is clear that after receiving ADT for longer than 6-9 months many men never fully return to their
T baseline. This raises the very important question of whether it is safe to offer replacement
testosterone in symptomatic men who have been rendered persistently hypogonadal (<230
ng/dL).

If your testosterone is not returning after a year, you could get testosterone replacement therapy through injections. It has been shown in recent trials that it does not cause the PSA to rise. That can get you back to feeling normal again. Something to discuss with your doctor.

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@jeffmarc Well, Jeff... I guess I’m probably an exception then; I used Orgovyx for 17 months—my testosterone level was 7 at the end of that—and I had an orgasm again two months later. I’m 71 years old.

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It took 18 months to recover after six months of ADT for my testosterone to cross back into the low normal range. I'm going to be 65. Mood improved first, then orgasms came back and then, after 18 months, I *finally* got a testosterone test in the normal range though still considerably below my pre-treatment T.

I REALLY wish I'd been informed of this beforehand as I just assumed it was like any other drug and wore off relatively soon after stopping it. All the side effects have gone away now except osteoporosis, which is permanent. I'm finally able to sleep through the night without medication which seems to have helped everything else.

The worst side effect for me is that I now have a belly despite really watching what I eat and working out six days a week. It's as if my entire body has been "reconfigured."

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@scottbeammeup Your experience is helpful. I am three months post- 18 -months of Orgovyx. Testosterone is starting to come back, with less fatigue and joint pain and erections are improving, but no orgasm yet. I wasn't told pre-treatment testosterone level, so I'll keep working toward the "new normal." I gained 25 pounds, mostly belly fat, and have a lot of work to do with my fork to get that back off. I exercise cardio/resistance weekdays.

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@jeffmarc Well, Jeff... I guess I’m probably an exception then; I used Orgovyx for 17 months—my testosterone level was 7 at the end of that—and I had an orgasm again two months later. I’m 71 years old.

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@oesjipapa Congratulations! I'm three months post- 18 months Orgovyx and no orgasm yet. Testosterone was <10 during treatment but has started recovering, last measured 48.

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Zie het als iets positiefs dat er toch progressie in zit bij jou. misschen niet zo snel als je zou willen.

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There is no indicator of prostate cancer . My PSA is undetectable. He did a molecular test that as far as I could tell showed nothing. He says there's something somewhere.
AI says that this kind of pain is typical after radiation in the pelvic area.
But I also get pain in my shoulders too.
I only told AI about the pain in my buttock, or thigh or calf.

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@lacraig1 Hey buddy, sorry for your situation…I know you’ve had bloodwork up the wazoo, but have you ever been tested for tick borne illnesses?
I live on Long Island NY and the symptoms of occult Lyme Disease are very similar to what you describe.
I have heard of just so many ‘mystery’ ailments ultimately linked to a tick bite - an event often gone unnoticed. Just a suggestion…
Phil

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My oncologist says that T studies have not been done with aggressive cancer. He doesn't want me to have TRT. I'm seeing an endo Monday. About a month and a half wait. I took myself off ADT after 3 months. Nine months later, my sleep is still abysmal and I get frequent 'episodes.'

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@lacraig1

TRT is often used successfully to fight aggressive cancer. I do not know where your oncologist learned that TRT is bad for aggressive cancer. There are also numerous recent studies that show that Testosterone does not feed prostate cancer. A few videos are below:


https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo

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