Food as Medicine to Address and Overcome Mood Disorders

Posted by nla4625 @nla4625, Feb 14, 2021

I've gotten really interested in the topic Food as Medicine, which includes research going on connecting depression, anxiety, brain fog and other mood disorders with an unhealthy gut. You can find information about this on gutbrainseries.com. The people who run this website are sponsoring 9 free seminars with 30 experts running from 2/15/21-2/23/21 beginning at 8pm to show how to overcome mental challenges like depression, anxiety, brain fog and other mood disorders by using proven strategies to heal your gut. In addition, they gave away 2 free e-books (Top 10 Foods To Eat to Avoid Anxiety and What Leaky Gut Does to Your Brain). Hopefully, since this starts tomorrow, these resources will be available on their website after 2/23/2021. I am not an expert on this and have no desire to be challenged or debate the issue with anyone. I'm just presenting information that has helped me. Since I've been on an intermittent fast, eliminated sugar, refined carbohydrates, and processed food from my diet, and started taking a really good probiotic, I feel 100 times better and haven't had to use my light box as much to deal with my SAD. It is clear to me there is a direct correlation between my diet, my gut and my mood. As further evidence, I had 2 years of debilitating headaches after my brain surgery at Mayo where I couldn't work or do anything but try to avoid headaches. Heavy duty prescription drugs weren't helping. At my yearly checkup, the neurologist said I shouldn't still be having headaches related to this surgery. He didn't ask me what I was eating or drinking, and I hope today that has changed. I pretty much identified my headache triggers by keeping a detailed journal of what I ate and drank and tracked my headaches against that...nonorganic chicken pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, chocolate, red wine, nitrates, ice cream, cheese, etc. I spent a lot of time researching headaches, and THE main culprit for me was aspartame. I read about how it affects brain chemistry. I quit using a packet of Equal in my coffee in the morning and stopped drinking a can of diet pop in the afternoon. That was all it took. My headaches stopped. Aspartame destroyed two years of my life. I still suffer from periodic headaches, but usually they are caused by barometric pressure weather changes or celebrating with one of my food triggers. I hope doctors and scientists will continue to do research in this area and you will look into this if you think it might help you. Nancy

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@LeeAase

Thanks for mentioning the Zero app, @johnbishop. I find it really helpful too because I like to track my progress and then see how it correlates to how I'm feeling, how I'm sleeping and my weight. It can be really tempting sometimes to grab a snack that would break my fast...not necessarily bad food, but something that would raise my blood sugar and insulin levels, and therefore would hinder progress toward my goals. You're doing great with the intermittent fasting; I think you'll do even better with low carb.

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Thanks @LeeAase! I downloaded the Cronometer app mentioned by @rjwilliams in the LCHF discussion ( https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/low-carb-healthy-fat-living-intermittent-fasting-whats-your-why/) and haven't quite got started with figuring out how to lower the carbs or what target I should be using for the daily amount of carbs. I happened to have a really good day yesterday and a new weight low this morning of 209.2. I had my Mayo Clinic overnight refrigerator oatmeal tweaked a little by using 1/2 of one of my homemade yogurts (your recipe!), 2 tbsp of unsweetened applesauce, 1/2 cup rolled oats, about 4 oz of 2% milk and topped with a handful of fresh blueberries and a few strawberries. Then when I put the recipe into the chronometer app it told me it was 26 carbs. That was breakfast then I had 1/2 cup of riced broccoli, an egg salad sandwich and 4 sausage links for my last meal. Then I had one of my wife's homemade bars with more calories than I want to count. I normally only plan my breakfast since my wife is already at work when I eat. The intermittent fasting has gotten me here but it really slowed down when I set my new goal of 200 lbs. I do think lowering the carbs and eating more fat is the answer. I just need to figure out what daily carb amount works best and plan my meals a little better.

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@johnbishop @LeeAase I just downloaded the Zero App and the Cronometer App based on your recommendations. I'm technologically challenged, so I really on advice from folks like you. Since both of you have been so successful, it gives me inspiration. Thanks. Lee - it was really interesting to read about the fasting journey you and your wife have been on. I've been having no trouble fasting 20 hours and eating during the four hour eating window the past week. Sometimes I'm not even hungry after 20 hours. I think the Pique Fasting Teas really suppress my appetite and give me more energy, which is pretty amazing. Dr Fung has held 2 Q&A zoom talks with my Pique Tea IF group, and my thinking that longer fasts were dangerous has totally changed. Knowledge is power! Thus, next week I'll add in a longer fast to break things up and try the Zero App. Dr.Will Cole, a leading functional medical practitioner, talked to us too. He just released a new book called Intuitive Fasting. I think I'm going to like it and signed up for a four week IF fasting program with people who had bought his book. Totally changing eating habits of 74 years is difficult, so it is great to join a group to interact with and learn from. Both of these groups have a facebook group, so I had to join facebook, sigh, and figure out how to post. I should be able to loose weight in six weeks of being in supportive IF groups and really get a handle on how to join IF with keto. Luckily keto has a calculator to figure out how many carbs, fat and protein grams I should eat, but I sympathize with John's question of how many carbs he sound be eating. Having these apps will help me figure how many of each I've eaten, which will be a big help. My carbohydrate target is 20 grams a day, which isn't many. I just noticed there is another thread about IF and HFLC and will start following that too. Happy almost spring! Nancy

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@nla4625

@johnbishop @LeeAase I just downloaded the Zero App and the Cronometer App based on your recommendations. I'm technologically challenged, so I really on advice from folks like you. Since both of you have been so successful, it gives me inspiration. Thanks. Lee - it was really interesting to read about the fasting journey you and your wife have been on. I've been having no trouble fasting 20 hours and eating during the four hour eating window the past week. Sometimes I'm not even hungry after 20 hours. I think the Pique Fasting Teas really suppress my appetite and give me more energy, which is pretty amazing. Dr Fung has held 2 Q&A zoom talks with my Pique Tea IF group, and my thinking that longer fasts were dangerous has totally changed. Knowledge is power! Thus, next week I'll add in a longer fast to break things up and try the Zero App. Dr.Will Cole, a leading functional medical practitioner, talked to us too. He just released a new book called Intuitive Fasting. I think I'm going to like it and signed up for a four week IF fasting program with people who had bought his book. Totally changing eating habits of 74 years is difficult, so it is great to join a group to interact with and learn from. Both of these groups have a facebook group, so I had to join facebook, sigh, and figure out how to post. I should be able to loose weight in six weeks of being in supportive IF groups and really get a handle on how to join IF with keto. Luckily keto has a calculator to figure out how many carbs, fat and protein grams I should eat, but I sympathize with John's question of how many carbs he sound be eating. Having these apps will help me figure how many of each I've eaten, which will be a big help. My carbohydrate target is 20 grams a day, which isn't many. I just noticed there is another thread about IF and HFLC and will start following that too. Happy almost spring! Nancy

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It's great to hear you're having no problem with the 20 hours of fasting. Zero app is pretty simple because it's just one button. It's either timing how long you have been fasting (or how long you have remaining), or else how long it has been since your last fast. I will be interested to see how you like it.

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@colleenyoung

Great topic, @nla4625. In this article from Mayo expert Craig Sawchuk responds to the question "Is it true that certain foods worsen anxiety and others have a calming effect?"
- Coping with anxiety: Can diet make a difference? Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/generalized-anxiety-disorder/expert-answers/coping-with-anxiety/faq-20057987

I, too, have been intermittent fasting and slowly adopting a low carb, high-fat diet. It really makes me feel great. I'm interested to continue to hear more as you explore dietary changes.

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Colleen, Have you heard of " Internal anxiety - that's not caused by physical circumstances- but from muscles spasms. Its something I've been working with my Parkinson's doctor every couple months-as it increases at times when I try to sleep. I'm told its part of the movement disorder many Parkinson's patience's faces- along with the Parkinson's side affects and the constant ( body moving 24/7). I hope I explained this right- I see my Doctor again next week- he teaches once a month on line- and where anyone can ask questions. Thank you. John South

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@johnjames

Colleen, Have you heard of " Internal anxiety - that's not caused by physical circumstances- but from muscles spasms. Its something I've been working with my Parkinson's doctor every couple months-as it increases at times when I try to sleep. I'm told its part of the movement disorder many Parkinson's patience's faces- along with the Parkinson's side affects and the constant ( body moving 24/7). I hope I explained this right- I see my Doctor again next week- he teaches once a month on line- and where anyone can ask questions. Thank you. John South

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@johnjames, so good to hear from you. Our paths haven't crossed or some time. I had not heard of internal anxiety, but that makes sense. I'm sure the members of the Parkinson's group would love to hear from you too. Please post a hello and an update over here:
- Living with Parkinson's Disease - Meet others & come say hi https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/living-with-parkinsons-disease-meet-others-come-say-hi/

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@colleenyoung

Great topic, @nla4625. In this article from Mayo expert Craig Sawchuk responds to the question "Is it true that certain foods worsen anxiety and others have a calming effect?"
- Coping with anxiety: Can diet make a difference? Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/generalized-anxiety-disorder/expert-answers/coping-with-anxiety/faq-20057987

I, too, have been intermittent fasting and slowly adopting a low carb, high-fat diet. It really makes me feel great. I'm interested to continue to hear more as you explore dietary changes.

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Would like to know if somebody had to adjust the antidepressant while starting to have extra energy from the keto diet. I am experiencing an extra boost on energy after starting ketosis? I am on the green keto diet for mental clarity and mood.

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@lorena1egas

Would like to know if somebody had to adjust the antidepressant while starting to have extra energy from the keto diet. I am experiencing an extra boost on energy after starting ketosis? I am on the green keto diet for mental clarity and mood.

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Hello @lorena1egas, Here is an article that may provide information to help answer your question. It does include a Tips section that gives you some things to try if you haven't already seen it.

- Does the Keto Diet Cause or Relieve Depression?: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/keto-depression

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Yes, food makes a big difference with our health. And why wouldn't it.

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@johnbishop

Thanks @LeeAase! I downloaded the Cronometer app mentioned by @rjwilliams in the LCHF discussion ( https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/low-carb-healthy-fat-living-intermittent-fasting-whats-your-why/) and haven't quite got started with figuring out how to lower the carbs or what target I should be using for the daily amount of carbs. I happened to have a really good day yesterday and a new weight low this morning of 209.2. I had my Mayo Clinic overnight refrigerator oatmeal tweaked a little by using 1/2 of one of my homemade yogurts (your recipe!), 2 tbsp of unsweetened applesauce, 1/2 cup rolled oats, about 4 oz of 2% milk and topped with a handful of fresh blueberries and a few strawberries. Then when I put the recipe into the chronometer app it told me it was 26 carbs. That was breakfast then I had 1/2 cup of riced broccoli, an egg salad sandwich and 4 sausage links for my last meal. Then I had one of my wife's homemade bars with more calories than I want to count. I normally only plan my breakfast since my wife is already at work when I eat. The intermittent fasting has gotten me here but it really slowed down when I set my new goal of 200 lbs. I do think lowering the carbs and eating more fat is the answer. I just need to figure out what daily carb amount works best and plan my meals a little better.

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I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'd say that one needs to think of food as what you have daily. Anotherwords, what foods trigger issues? I learned during the 1990's that I needed to just give up certain foods permanently....for me, it's dairy, eggs, poultry, refined sugar, sodas, wine, caffaine (except alittle dark choc. due to weak heart). Pigs ....whole wheat. Some causes may be allergy etc. Don't know. Nightshades (inflammatory), tomatoes, potatoes, peppers etc. I also did a breadday fast for about 5 years. Only plane white bread, water, coffee on Monday and Wednesday until 5pm, then normal meal. This cooled my appetite. Never ate alot of fat. And snacks rather than big meals works for me. Also yoga, massage, prayer etc. Just put together what works for you!!

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I'm have switched as an MD to Functional Medicine. And came off of 8 drugs my Neurologist prescribed. I only use Stevia for sweet. I was allergy blood tested. And found a couple of nuts. But the biggies. Dairy (cow) butter and cheese. All Gluten. And Meats. I heavy supplement and Vitamin D. Try only organic. And my old traumatic brain injury migraines are stopped cold by PharmaGaba. 100 mg chewable before bed. During the day if I get any of whose wierd (scotoma), sparkling lights in my Right visual field. I will take another PharmaGaba. Do EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique.) and in less than 20 minutes I'm back to normal. I totally concur with what Functional Medicine is doing. I take Armour Thyroid. DHEA, Pregnenolone, Testosterone and nightly Melatonin. My sleep still is iffy. Got and OURA Ring to track a lot of stuff. I connected because I'd still like other things to help me fall asleep and stay asleep. I use Progesterone which helps some.

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